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...who now faces the threat of more prison time than both the steubenville rapists combined.

From harassing MLK to aiding corrupt rape-apologist city officials, we can always count on the FBI to uphold truth, justice, and the American way, can't we?

Humanity is fucked.

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In April, the FBI quietly raided the home of the hacker known as KYAnonymous in connection with his role in the Steubenville rape case. Today he spoke out for the first time about the raid, his true identity, and his motivations for pursuing the Steubenville rapists, in an extensive interview with Mother Jones.

"The goal of the media interviews is to get the entire nation to say "fuck you" to these guys," said KYAnonymous, whose real name is Deric Lostutter. He was referring to the federal agents who raided his home in Winchester, Kentucky, and carted off his computers and XBox.

Lostutter may deserve more credit than anyone for turning Steubenville into a national outrage. After a 16-year-old girl was raped by two members of the Steubenville High football team last year, he obtained and published tweets and Instagram photos in which other team members had joked about the incident and belittled the victim. He now admits to being the man behind the mask in a video posted by another hacker on the team's fan page, where he threatened action against the players unless they apologized to the girl. (The rapists were convicted in March.)
Lostutter's hip-hop alter-ego, Shadow


A 26-year-old corporate cybersecurity consultant, Lostutter lives on a farm with his pit bull, Thor, and hunts turkeys, goes fishing, and rides motorcycles in his free time. He considers himself to be a patriotic American; he flies an American flag and enjoys Bud Light. He's also a rapper with the stage name Shadow, and recently released a solo album under the aegis of his own label, Nightshade Records. The name dovetails with that of his Anonymous faction, KnightSec.

Lostutter first got involved in Anonymous about a year ago, after watching the documentary We Are Legion. "This is me," he thought as he learned about the group's commitment to government accountability and transparency. "It was everything that I'd ever preached, and now there's this group of people getting off the couch and doing something about it. I wanted to be part of the movement."
If convicted for hacking a Steubenville football fansite, he could face 10 years. The rapists got 1 and 2.

He'd read about the Steubenville rape in the New York Times, but didn't get involved until receiving a message on Twitter from Michelle McKee, a friend of an Ohio blogger who'd written about the case. McKee gave Lostutter the players' tweets and Instagram photos, which he then decided to publicize because, as he put it, "I was always raised to stick up for people who are getting bullied."

The ensuing tornado of media coverage took him by surprise. He mostly avoided the spotlight, except for a brief interview that he gave to CNN while wearing his Guy Fawkes mask. "I was real scared," but also inspired, he told me. "There were so many people standing behind the cause that it felt like you had an army at your disposal and you could just stick up for what's right."
"I'd do it again," Lostutter says.

Yet sometimes the Steubenville army seemed to lack discipline, ignoring the letter of the law as it pursued its own brand of justice. Lostutter says he played no role in the hacking the team's fan page; he points out that another hacker, Batcat, has publicly taken the credit. Still, Lostutter knew from a tipster that the FBI was watching him, he says, and stopped tweeting a few months ago. The FBI approached knocked on his door just two days after he finally went back online.

At first, he thought the FBI agent at the door was with FedEx. "As I open the door to greet the driver, approximately 12 FBI SWAT team agents jumped out of the truck, screaming for me to "Get the fuck down!" with M-16 assault rifles and full riot gear, armed, safety off, pointed directly at my head," http://www.projectknightsec.com/Lostutter wrote today on his blog. "I was handcuffed and detained outside while they cleared my house."

He believes that the FBI investigation was motivated by local officials in Steubenville. "They want to make an example of me, saying, 'You don't fucking come after us. Don't question us."

If convicted of hacking-related crimes, Lostutter could face up to 10 years behind bars—far more than the one- and two-year sentences doled out to the Steubenville rapists. Defending himself could end up costing a fortune—he's soliciting donations here. Still, he thinks getting involved was worth it. "I'd do it again," he says.

Without further ado, here's the music video for "Hear 'Em Talkin', by Shadow:
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Well, here is the thing. Did he break the law to do some of what he did? The whole vigilante thing and all. Usually we think of it as mob justice and people getting assaulted or killed. But its more than just that.

Did he do a good service? Yes. Did he break the law? Looks like. But... Its a real dick move by the FBI.
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Alyeska wrote:Well, here is the thing. Did he break the law to do some of what he did? The whole vigilante thing and all. Usually we think of it as mob justice and people getting assaulted or killed. But its more than just that.

Did he do a good service? Yes. Did he break the law? Looks like. But... Its a real dick move by the FBI.
What infuriates is that the two football players convicted of gang-raping a 16 year old girl only received a sentence of what -- 2 or 3 years? And it was recently announced that they were be transferred to a more relaxed, "juvenile correctional facility" or whatever the hell. Meanwhile, the hacker without whom the above two convictions probably never would have occurred is threatened with 10 years in federal jail? Our justice system is a sad joke.
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Alyeska wrote:Well, here is the thing. Did he break the law to do some of what he did? The whole vigilante thing and all. Usually we think of it as mob justice and people getting assaulted or killed. But its more than just that.

Did he do a good service? Yes. Did he break the law? Looks like. But... Its a real dick move by the FBI.
My country actually built loopholes into the Data Protection Act for stuff like this, namely a defence that you were acting in the public interest. It was intended mostly for professional journalists, admittedly, but the precedent is there.
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Would he have gotten more or less time for murdering the rapists personally?
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KlavoHunter wrote:Would he have gotten more or less time for murdering the rapists personally?
Dramatically more. 10 years is a potential max sentence. Computer crimes frequently get much less.
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KlavoHunter wrote:Would he have gotten more or less time for murdering the rapists personally?
Dramatically more. 10 years is a potential max sentence. Computer crimes frequently get much less.
That was a rhetorical question. Either way, his life is destroyed.
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KlavoHunter wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
KlavoHunter wrote:Would he have gotten more or less time for murdering the rapists personally?
Dramatically more. 10 years is a potential max sentence. Computer crimes frequently get much less.
That was a rhetorical question. Either way, his life is destroyed.
Not really. Computer crimes suspects that end up in jail frequently turn out on the other side. Professional security consultants. These aren't life over convictions.
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Luke Skywalker wrote:...who now faces the threat of more prison time than both the steubenville rapists combined.

From harassing MLK to aiding corrupt rape-apologist city officials, we can always count on the FBI to uphold truth, justice, and the American way, can't we?

Humanity is fucked.
Are you suggesting law enforcement should literally ignore certain crimes? It's not exactly something low level federal law enforcement does, and all high level federal law enforcement does is determine a high level strategy.

Let the jury say not guilty if they want. It wouldn't be the first time in this country.
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Alyeska wrote:Not really. Computer crimes suspects that end up in jail frequently turn out on the other side. Professional security consultants. These aren't life over convictions.
Who honestly knows shit about modern computers after 10 years, with the way things are advancing these days? After that long, the man will be obsolete and can only look forward to a .22 retirement plan.
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Gaidin wrote: Are you suggesting law enforcement should literally ignore certain crimes? It's not exactly something low level federal law enforcement does, and all high level federal law enforcement does is determine a high level strategy.
Is this a serious post? Law enforcement has a ton of discretion when it comes to whether or not to pursue charges against someone and they wind up ignoring crimes all the time. If they went after every possible case they could prosecute the courts would be gridlocked.
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KlavoHunter wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Not really. Computer crimes suspects that end up in jail frequently turn out on the other side. Professional security consultants. These aren't life over convictions.
Who honestly knows shit about modern computers after 10 years, with the way things are advancing these days? After that long, the man will be obsolete and can only look forward to a .22 retirement plan.
Klavo you're bullshitting, if people actually do get jobs as security consultants after going to jail for "black hat" hacking, then it is simply a matter of fact that if you are determined you can get one.
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General Zod wrote: Is this a serious post? Law enforcement has a ton of discretion when it comes to whether or not to pursue charges against someone and they wind up ignoring crimes all the time. If they went after every possible case they could prosecute the courts would be gridlocked.
Prosecution tends to be the prosecutor's discretion. And there are levels to the investigation to determining whether there is a case to be investigated, to opening said case, to arresting the perpetrator. Yes it was a serious post. If there is evidence of a crime committed after a legitimate investigation, why would law enforcement ignore it? Whether charges are brought is determined by someone else altogether.
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Gaidin wrote:Prosecution tends to be the prosecutor's discretion. And there are levels to the investigation to determining whether there is a case to be investigated, to opening said case, to arresting the perpetrator. Yes it was a serious post. If there is evidence of a crime committed after a legitimate investigation, why would law enforcement ignore it? Whether charges are brought is determined by someone else altogether.
And if this guy had been employed as an investigative reporter for the Washington Post or the New York Times instead of a private citizen moonlighting as one?
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General Zod wrote:
Gaidin wrote: Are you suggesting law enforcement should literally ignore certain crimes? It's not exactly something low level federal law enforcement does, and all high level federal law enforcement does is determine a high level strategy.
Is this a serious post? Law enforcement has a ton of discretion when it comes to whether or not to pursue charges against someone and they wind up ignoring crimes all the time. If they went after every possible case they could prosecute the courts would be gridlocked.
Law enforcement only has discretion with misdemeanors and infractions. If probable cause exists for a felony we are obligated by law to arrest. This is something I've covered multiple times in case you want to research for consistency.
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Zaune wrote:And if this guy had been employed as an investigative reporter for the Washington Post or the New York Times instead of a private citizen moonlighting as one?
Then the federal government would still do the same thing.
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Alyeska wrote:Well, here is the thing. Did he break the law to do some of what he did? The whole vigilante thing and all. Usually we think of it as mob justice and people getting assaulted or killed. But its more than just that.

Did he do a good service? Yes. Did he break the law? Looks like. But... Its a real dick move by the FBI.
If the article is accurate, he didn't hack anything. He published tweets and photos someone else sent him.
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Gaidin wrote:Are you suggesting law enforcement should literally ignore certain crimes? It's not exactly something low level federal law enforcement does, and all high level federal law enforcement does is determine a high level strategy.

Let the jury say not guilty if they want. It wouldn't be the first time in this country.
There are many instances of criminals receiving a lighter punishment or no charges at all if, in the process of committing a crime, they uncover a greater crime and report it to the police. It happens every time you hear about someone cutting a deal with prosecutors, getting immunity or a reduced sentence in exchange for testimony.

An example, where burglars receive community service for going to the police after discovering child pornography on a laptop they stole

It makes sense, too. You're not exactly going to encourage a petty thief to come forward to help resolve a murder case if he knows you're just going to throw the book at him, too.
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Civil War Man wrote: There are many instances of criminals receiving a lighter punishment or no charges at all if, in the process of committing a crime, they uncover a greater crime and report it to the police. It happens every time you hear about someone cutting a deal with prosecutors, getting immunity or a reduced sentence in exchange for testimony.

An example, where burglars receive community service for going to the police after discovering child pornography on a laptop they stole

It makes sense, too. You're not exactly going to encourage a petty thief to come forward to help resolve a murder case if he knows you're just going to throw the book at him, too.
Wait did you just make a post about the possibilities of what the prosecution can do here in a thread about the FBI's actions? Let me know what the Prosecutor does when he comes into play. :roll:
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This article is full of holes. Agreed with other posters, that I don't see anything to do with hacking as pertains to the Steubenville case. I also don't see that the guy has actually been arrested or charged with anything. He freely admits to associating with Annonymous, so its very possible they raided his house for something other than the Steubenville case.

Hell, there isn't even any comment solicited from the FBI or other law enforcerment and there is no proof outside of Lostetter's own statements, that the raid even happened.
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My problem with the case isn't so much that the guy is getting investigated for being a part of an illegal [if not immoral] organization, but rather that he's being threatened with more years in prison than two teens convicted of gang rape. He's even getting more time in prison than Mike Tyson, an adult male, received for rape. Many voluntary manslaughter convicts don't serve 10 years, for crying out loud.
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Searching for information I've read his home was raided by the FBI in April in search of evidence related to the hacking of the Steubenville High School booster club website Roll Red Roll [source]. I have not been able to find any indication that he was charged with anything.

I'm curious as to how the site was hacked, and what precedent and law are around "hacking". Hacking to many Americans is (fatty)nerds in basements typing a lot and being able to break any system. Hacking, or gaining unauthorized entry into a computer system, tends to be as simple as guessing a password or password hint. Should the act of hacking (ie gain unauthorized access) into an email account by just guessing the password after a few guesses be treated the same way as breaching the server's security using technical methods? If you were to draw differences, where would they be, also how much weight should the actions taken by the "hacker" on the unauthorized system have in their sentencing/charges.

I feel that if were a simple, ie someone guessed admin as the password and got in, the act of gaining access (and sentencing around it) should be a joke. Now if they somehow caused damage while they had unauthorized access which could be proved to be intentional, then they should be charged around the damage they did.
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Luke Skywalker wrote:My problem with the case isn't so much that the guy is getting investigated for being a part of an illegal [if not immoral] organization, but rather that he's being threatened with more years in prison than two teens convicted of gang rape. He's even getting more time in prison than Mike Tyson, an adult male, received for rape. Many voluntary manslaughter convicts don't serve 10 years, for crying out loud.
He's not being threatened with it, he's not even been charged as far as I can tell. There is a big diffence between a theoretical maximum sentence and what is actually handed out.

The second thing you already noted, these were two teens convicted of gang rape. There are no specifics as to their age or trial, they may have been tried and sentenced as juveniles.
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TronPaul wrote:Searching for information I've read his home was raided by the FBI in April in search of evidence related to the hacking of the Steubenville High School booster club website Roll Red Roll [source]. I have not been able to find any indication that he was charged with anything.

I'm curious as to how the site was hacked, and what precedent and law are around "hacking". Hacking to many Americans is (fatty)nerds in basements typing a lot and being able to break any system. Hacking, or gaining unauthorized entry into a computer system, tends to be as simple as guessing a password or password hint. Should the act of hacking (ie gain unauthorized access) into an email account by just guessing the password after a few guesses be treated the same way as breaching the server's security using technical methods? If you were to draw differences, where would they be, also how much weight should the actions taken by the "hacker" on the unauthorized system have in their sentencing/charges.

I feel that if were a simple, ie someone guessed admin as the password and got in, the act of gaining access (and sentencing around it) should be a joke. Now if they somehow caused damage while they had unauthorized access which could be proved to be intentional, then they should be charged around the damage they did.
How exactly you get in is immaterial. If I leave my house unlocked it is still a crime for someone to open the door and enter it without permission just as much as if they'd picked the lock. Now, obviously there are different degrees of damage one could do, but it would set a bad precedent to allow what amounts to IT joyriding to go completely unpunished.
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Zaune wrote:
Gaidin wrote:Prosecution tends to be the prosecutor's discretion. And there are levels to the investigation to determining whether there is a case to be investigated, to opening said case, to arresting the perpetrator. Yes it was a serious post. If there is evidence of a crime committed after a legitimate investigation, why would law enforcement ignore it? Whether charges are brought is determined by someone else altogether.
And if this guy had been employed as an investigative reporter for the Washington Post or the New York Times instead of a private citizen moonlighting as one?
How many investigative reporters would be "hacking a Steubenville football fansite" in order to post a video "where he threatened action against the players unless they apologized to the girl"?

This is in the very article quoted in the OP, people.

Now he says he didn't do the hacking itself, though if he was involved (he made that video knowing "Batcat" would hack the website and post it on there) he may or may not be able to be charged as an accomplice or even the actual crime, depending on the law in question. And well that's only what he says, where the FBI (apparently) believes he was the one who did the hacking itself, not just made a video.

But I fail to see how hacking a website to post 'apologize or else' is somehow relevant to investigative journalists publishing leaked information, or burglars that found kiddy porn and turned it over to the police, or any other high-minded moral ideal instead of internet vigilantism. Hell depending on the content of that video he could face charges for making threats depending on just how "he threatened action against the players". Being a despicable human being doesn't make you fair game for vigilantes, after all.
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