jedi+ww2

[Enforcer Talen]

would 40 or so jedi have had any ability at hastening a battles end if they were put in okinawa or stalingrad?

[Alex Moon]

Most likely. How much of an effect, I don't know.

[Perinquus]

Jedi would be squandered if you simply put them in the line to go kill troops with their lightsabers. You'd be far better off putting them on the commanding general's staff, where they can use their precognitive abilities to tell him what the enemy commander will do next. If their is no dark side using opponent to clous their vision, I'd think they could give him some pretty useful intel on the enemy's actions in the immediate future.

[neoolong]

Jedi would be squandered if you simply put them in the line to go kill troops with their lightsabers. You'd be far better off putting them on the commanding general's staff, where they can use their precognitive abilities to tell him what the enemy commander will do next. If their is no dark side using opponent to clous their vision, I'd think they could give him some pretty useful intel on the enemy's actions in the immediate future.

That and they could be used for assassinations.

[Bartman]

The one thing you wouldn't want to use them for is regular combat. But they would be great force multipliers as special forces, recon, intel etc. Outside of that there simply isn't much a small group of Jedi are going to do against divisional or larger forces.

[Master of Ossus]

At Stalingrad they would have made a considerable difference for both sides, but as has been said their primary use would have been as officers. Had they been planning the War WITH the Soviets or the Nazis, the forces of both sides would have been substantially more effective. As troops they would be superb, but in such small numbers I find it dubious that they would have achieved history-altering results.

[Darth Wong]

*Jedi walks out of the trees wearing Nazi uniform, uses Jedi mind-trick to influence guards and enter the organization, eventually finding his way to Berlin where he terminates Hitler*

[weemadando]

*Jedi walks out of the trees wearing Nazi uniform, uses Jedi mind-trick to influence guards and enter the organization, eventually finding his way to Berlin where he terminates Hitler*

Jedi mindtricks only work on the weak minded, remember?

Maybe at the front they might be OK, but getting past body-guards and inner circle SS etc using a mind trick?

[Darth Wong]

*Jedi walks out of the trees wearing Nazi uniform, uses Jedi mind-trick to influence guards and enter the organization, eventually finding his way to Berlin where he terminates Hitler*

Jedi mindtricks only work on the weak minded, remember?

And Hitler surrounded himself with ...

Oh yeah, sycophants and yes-men. Explain to me why Jedi mind-tricks won't work on them again?

Maybe at the front they might be OK, but getting past body-guards and inner circle SS etc using a mind trick?

Explain to me why you assume that bodyguards and SS men must be strong of mind. Everyone reads Obi-Wan's quote as though "weak-minded" is some kind of freakish situation which does not occur in the vast majority of humans. I say the opposite: most people are fucking stupid and weak-minded.

Need proof? Less than half the people in the workforce of any industrialized nation have a post-secondary education, and of those post-secondary educations, the majority were easy degrees with very low entrance requirements. Millions deliberately inhale toxic cigarette fumes because they think it makes them look cool. In virtually every democratic country, there is a huge voting bloc of millions of people which mindlessly votes for the same party in every election. Explain to me again why you think we should assume weak-mindedness is not common?

Having a gun and a propensity for cruelty may make you a good SS trooper, but does not necessarily make you strong-minded.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

Bah. Everyone knows Hitler was practically immune to assassination

Seriously though, I think the Jedi wouldn't be able to do too much in a pitched battle. They'd best serve as reconnaisance teams.

[weemadando]

*Jedi walks out of the trees wearing Nazi uniform, uses Jedi mind-trick to influence guards and enter the organization, eventually finding his way to Berlin where he terminates Hitler*

Jedi mindtricks only work on the weak minded, remember?

And Hitler surrounded himself with ...

Oh yeah, sycophants and yes-men. Explain to me why Jedi mind-tricks won't work on them again?

They could well work, but don't forget that not all "lackeys" are so stupid as to be inept and spongy brained

Maybe at the front they might be OK, but getting past body-guards and inner circle SS etc using a mind trick?

Explain to me why you assume that bodyguards and SS men must be strong of mind. Everyone reads Obi-Wan's quote as though "weak-minded" is some kind of freakish situation which does not occur in the vast majority of humans. I say the opposite: most people are fucking stupid and weak-minded.

Need proof? Less than half the people in the workforce of any industrialized nation have a post-secondary education, and of those post-secondary educations, the majority were easy degrees with very low entrance requirements. Millions deliberately inhale toxic cigarette fumes because they think it makes them look cool. In virtually every democratic country, there is a huge voting bloc of millions of people which mindlessly votes for the same party in every election. Explain to me again why you think we should assume weak-mindedness is not common?

Having a gun and a propensity for cruelty may make you a good SS trooper, but does not necessarily make you strong-minded.

No it doesn't, but surely out of the hundreds if not thousands of people that the jedi is going to have to work past to get to Hitler not ALL of them are going to be weak minded. But then again, thats where force lightning and TK come in...

[Darth Garden Gnome]

In open combat they'd most likely be worse than useless. I doubt a Jedi could deflect a string of bullets from a machine gun, probably use their precog to dodge, or use the Force to shove the bullets aside (I always think of that chick from MGS2 when I say that ). They'd be fodder for artillery. They wouldn't be too good with stealth, once in combat: big glowly blade kinda gives you away. Its not as if there was too much melee at Stalingrad, probably more so at Okinawa though, still we're talking mostly ranged combat.

Jedi are better off as commanders, spies, recon, sabetuers, assasins ect.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

In open combat they'd most likely be worse than useless. I doubt a Jedi could deflect a string of bullets from a machine gun, probably use their precog to dodge, or use the Force to shove the bullets aside (I always think of that chick from MGS2 when I say that ). They'd be fodder for artillery. They wouldn't be too good with stealth, once in combat: big glowly blade kinda gives you away. Its not as if there was too much melee at Stalingrad, probably more so at Okinawa though, still we're talking mostly ranged combat.

Jedi are better off as commanders, spies, recon, sabetuers, assasins ect.

A Jedi could remain effectively "invisible" in an open combat. The troops involved are probably not thinking very cleary with bullets and shells flying around them, so it should be a fairly simple matter for a Jedi to "un-important-ize" himself, i.e., delude enemy soldiers to think he's an unimportant target and to concentrate on the enemy at hand.

I think Stalingrad would be a great place for a Jedi, assuming they are being used for direct combat. Huge ruined urban environment, its just begging for CQB. Not to mention all the hiding places.

[Robert Treder]

In battle, a Jedi doesn't have to have his sabre ignited at all times, so that's not that distracting. And who says Jedi can't use guns?
Even without using guns, Jedi seemed to do well against the droid army at Geonosis.
Besides, if people without the Force survived Stalingrad, then people with the Force can't do much worse.

The way I'd use Jedi is the way I use the Commandos in the game Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines. Lots of sneaking around, and then lots of ass-kicking. Only the Jedi would be even better than the Commandos.

[Boba Fett]

Jedi would be squandered if you simply put them in the line to go kill troops with their lightsabers. You'd be far better off putting them on the commanding general's staff, where they can use their precognitive abilities to tell him what the enemy commander will do next. If their is no dark side using opponent to clous their vision, I'd think they could give him some pretty useful intel on the enemy's actions in the immediate future.

That and they could be used for assassinations.

A Jedi for assassination?

No, it's against the jedi standards...

[Crayz9000]

[...]it should be a fairly simple matter for a Jedi to "un-important-ize" himself, i.e., delude enemy soldiers to think he's an unimportant target and to concentrate on the enemy at hand.

Wait a second, are you saying that Jedi carry Somebody Else's Problem field generators around with them?

[MKSheppard]

would 40 or so jedi have had any ability at hastening a battles end if they were put in okinawa or stalingrad?

Nope. They'd just die under the sheer weight of firepower available to both
sides at Stalingrad and Okinawa.

[MKSheppard]

*Jedi walks out of the trees wearing Nazi uniform, uses Jedi mind-trick to influence guards and enter the organization, eventually finding his way to Berlin where he terminates Hitler*

Good luck. If 17 assassination attempts couldn't get Adolf, the Jedi has no
chance. Adolf had insane l33t amounts of luck. (Bomb was placed on his
plane, the timer burned down, the fuze tripped, and.....nothing happened...
the detonator never fired )

[Robert Treder]

*Jedi walks out of the trees wearing Nazi uniform, uses Jedi mind-trick to influence guards and enter the organization, eventually finding his way to Berlin where he terminates Hitler*

Good luck. If 17 assassination attempts couldn't get Adolf, the Jedi has no
chance. Adolf had insane l33t amounts of luck. (Bomb was placed on his
plane, the timer burned down, the fuze tripped, and.....nothing happened...
the detonator never fired )

Well, in Obi-Wan's experience, there's no such thing as luck.

[SirNitram]

would 40 or so jedi have had any ability at hastening a battles end if they were put in okinawa or stalingrad?

Nope. They'd just die under the sheer weight of firepower available to both
sides at Stalingrad and Okinawa.

*Jedi snaps fingers, raises a Greater Force Shield on both sides, slowing the bullets to such a slow speed they are mere mosquistos. Then, throws the Dora into her support crew*

[The Dark]

*Jedi walks out of the trees wearing Nazi uniform, uses Jedi mind-trick to influence guards and enter the organization, eventually finding his way to Berlin where he terminates Hitler*

Good luck. If 17 assassination attempts couldn't get Adolf, the Jedi has no
chance. Adolf had insane l33t amounts of luck. (Bomb was placed on his
plane, the timer burned down, the fuze tripped, and.....nothing happened...
the detonator never fired )

Well, in Obi-Wan's experience, there's no such thing as luck.

No, but Hitler may well be one of the few real-life people to have had character shields. The man's ability to survive was incredible up until the very end, when the fact that his ambitions had exceeded his abilities caught up to him.

[MKSheppard]

*Jedi snaps fingers, raises a Greater Force Shield on both sides, slowing the bullets to such a slow speed they are mere mosquistos. Then, throws the Dora into her support crew*

Ha, that would be funny, considering Dora was never deployed at Stalingrad

[MKSheppard]

Well, in Obi-Wan's experience, there's no such thing as luck.

That's kinda hard:

http://www.joric.com/Conspiracy/Berghof.htm

In contrast to all the other military conspirators who had planned to assassinate Hitler with explosives - Tresckow, Bussche, Kleist, and Stauffenberg - Breitenbuch is determined to use a handgun to do the job. Stauffenberg warns him that SS Gruppenfuehrer Hans Rattenhuber (Hitler's personal security chief) and his detachment of armed bodyguards are always present at fuehrer conferences, but Breitenbuch is not dissuaded. Although he is sure it will cost him his life, he is a crackshot with a pistol and is certain he can fatally hit the fuehrer before being killed.

On March 11, 1944, Captain von Breitenbuch accompanies Field Marshal Ernst Busch, an ardent Nazi, as adjutant to attend a fuehrer conference at the Berghof. Concealed in his trouser pocket is a small Browning pistol.

As the doors of the conference room open, Hitler's generals entered in one by one. But as Captain von Breitenbuch prepares to follow in right behind Busch, his path is suddenly blocked by the sargeant on duty who explains: "Sorry, no adjutants beyond this point. Fuehrer's orders." Though Breitenbuch and the unsuspecting Busch protest vociferously, there is no way around it. Hitler has unwittingly or instinctively foiled yet another opportunity to assassinate him.

[von Neufeld]

*Jedi walks out of the trees wearing Nazi uniform, uses Jedi mind-trick to influence guards and enter the organization, eventually finding his way to Berlin where he terminates Hitler*

Good luck. If 17 assassination attempts couldn't get Adolf, the Jedi has no
chance. Adolf had insane l33t amounts of luck. (Bomb was placed on his
plane, the timer burned down, the fuze tripped, and.....nothing happened...
the detonator never fired )

Well, in Obi-Wan's experience, there's no such thing as luck.

Strong in the dark side, he is.

[Sea Skimmer]

would 40 or so jedi have had any ability at hastening a battles end if they were put in okinawa or stalingrad?

Nope. They'd just die under the sheer weight of firepower available to both
sides at Stalingrad and Okinawa.

*Jedi snaps fingers, raises a Greater Force Shield on both sides, slowing the bullets to such a slow speed they are mere mosquistos. Then, throws the Dora into her support crew*

That would be quick a trick since the Dora was thousands of miles from both battles