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19 Firefighters Die in AZ Wildfire

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Jul 1, 2:45 AM EDT
Fast-moving Arizona wildfire kills 19 firefighters

YARNELL, Ariz. (AP) -- Gusty, hot winds blew an Arizona blaze out of control Sunday in a forest northwest of Phoenix, overtaking and killing 19 members of an elite fire crew in the deadliest wildfire involving firefighters in the U.S. for at least 30 years.

The "hotshot" firefighters were forced to deploy their emergency fire shelters - tent-like structures meant to shield firefighters from flames and heat - when they were caught near the central Arizona town of Yarnell, state forestry spokesman Art Morrison told The Associated Press.

The fire also destroyed an estimated 200 homes, Morrison said. Dry grass near the communities of Yarnell and Glen Isla fed the fast-moving blaze, which was whipped up by wind and raced through the homes, he said.

The fire still burned late Sunday, with flames lighting up the night sky in the forest above Yarnell, a town of about 700 residents about 85 miles northwest of Phoenix. Most people had evacuated from the town, and no injuries or other deaths were reported.

The fire started after a lightning strike on Friday and spread to at least 2,000 acres on Sunday amid triple-digit temperatures, low humidity and windy conditions.

Prescott Fire Chief Dan Fraijo said that the 19 dead firefighters were a part of the city's fire department.

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Thats a very high toll for a single incident but honsetly reading up on how these guys operate I am surprised they don't suffer higher casualties, very literally marching into harms way to save lives. Very tragic.

Apparently the previous largest similar disaster was in 1994 with 14 firefighters killed.

I was living in Charleston SC at the time of their large fire that killed nine in 2007 and this gutted the EMS/firefighing community. I have several friends who are firefighters there and it was rough. That was 9 out of a city of 700K, this is 14 out of only 200K for the whole county let alone just Yarnell. There is also the 10 first responders killed in the West TX explosion which was similarly devestating for such a small town.
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I just saw this on the news, not a good way to go- apparently they were surrounded and were found dead in their fire shelters. Sucks when you do everything right and it's still not enough :(
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While firefighting is risky work, great care is taken to manage that risk. I wouldn't say we should be surprised people don't die more often. As someone who has dabbled in Wildland Firefighting this incident is shocking. Basically an entire Hotshot crew was wiped out in one go. To compare Hotshot crews to the military, they are the tier one forces of the fire community, with the highest standards and the most experience. I will be following this story very carefully to find out what caused this tragedy, which is the worst since the 1930's.
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News agencies are reporting it as the worst single loss of fire-fighters since September 11th; apparently the fire is still burning too.
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Ghetto edit: only when seeing the news again tonight did I realise that 19 is an odd number, and that one did in fact survive- I can't imagine what must be going though his mind, depending on his condition.
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I'm taking a wild guess that what was going through his mind at the time was "Holy FUCK this is hot!".

Actually, 22 firefighters were injured the same day the 19 died. From what I gather reading the news it's that 19 bodies were recovered - there may still be one out there, or they may have went out 1 person short for some reason. Of the 22 injured, some were flown to burn units, some had less severe injuries.
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Broomstick wrote:I'm taking a wild guess that what was going through his mind at the time was "Holy FUCK this is hot!".

Actually, 22 firefighters were injured the same day the 19 died. From what I gather reading the news it's that 19 bodies were recovered - there may still be one out there, or they may have went out 1 person short for some reason. Of the 22 injured, some were flown to burn units, some had less severe injuries.
I actually meant after the fact, finding out that you were the only member of your team to survive, I can't imagine what that would do to a man.
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The 20th member was their Lookout. He was the one watching the fire, and keeping the rest informed. His position was getting too dangerous, so following Protocol, he radioed the team the position of the fire, and that he was moving to a new position.
That was the last conversation with the 19 firefighters.

Officials have asked that the survivor be given time to grieve, without media knocking at his door all hours. I think he will need a lot of time to come to terms with his survival. The "I shoulda" and "What Ifs" are going to haunt him for decades.
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There has been a significant amount of new information to come out about this fire since the last post. The Arizona forestry Commission has put out a timeline of events for the fire which can be read in full here. The Guardian via the AP has a brief summary of the report posted below.
A new report shows an Arizona wildfire that began with a lightning strike and caused little immediate concern because of its remote location and small size quickly grew into an inferno, leading officials to rapidly order more resources in the hours before the flames killed 19 members of an elite hotshot crew.

The report from the Arizona state forestry division provides precise detail about the response to the fire that began on 28 June outside the small town of Yarnell, including the unpredictable weather around the blaze and the exact times in which it escalated and key resources were deployed.

The report does not address the question of why the fire crew was still on the mountain above the town more than an hour after the winds shifted about 180 degrees and brought the fire back toward them. It also was not immediately clear whether the hotshots were warned of the erratically changing weather before they were forced to take shelter and were killed.

The report describes how the fire worsened hour by hour – causing flames up to 20 feet high – as managers called in inmate and hotshot firefighting crews and air support.

After the blaze was ignited about 60 miles north-west of Phoenix, an aerial unit assessed it. The unit found the fire to be "less than one acre, in a large boulder field", with little smoke and no structures at immediate risk.

Officials ordered two inmate crews, an engine and a helicopter to report to the scene early Saturday morning, 29 June, to "work multiple lightning fires" in the area.

By the next day, the Yarnell Hill fire was the only one still burning and had grown only slightly, to about four acres. Small, single-engine aircraft were used throughout the day as crews worked the ground.

By 5.30pm, the fire was only about six acres in size.

Air support was ordered but could not respond due to thunderstorms and high winds, according to the report. Later, a DC-10 capable of dropping large amounts of fire retardant to prevent the spread of flames was available but not ordered due to concerns about its effectiveness in the steep, boulder-strewn terrain and because darkness was setting in.

By 7.38pm, the blaze had grown to about 100 acres but was still "advancing slowly".

On Sunday at about 8am, the 20-member Granite Mountain Hotshots team arrived and headed in to fight the fire, as small aircraft and helicopters worked the blaze from above. Heavy air tankers were ordered just after noon, but only one was able to respond, making multiple retardant drops on the fire.

According to the report, the fire had now increased in size to about 1,000 acres and was burning swiftly through an area that had not experienced a significant wildfire in nearly 50 years.

Two large air tankers were sent back to the Yarnell Hill Fire to try to stall its advance.

A few hours later, at 3.26pm, officials received word of heavy winds from a thunderstorm moving into the area as the fire grew.

Soon thereafter, the blaze was so out of control that officials asked for half of the available western US heavy air tanker fleet – six planes. It was about 4pm.

Five of the planes were not deployed because of the limited number of tankers in the nation's aerial firefighting fleet and the dangerous weather conditions at the time. Jim Paxon, a spokesman for the Arizona division of forestry, which was managing the fire, said one plane had been headed to the fire from California, but engine problems forced it to turn back.

Paxon noted that even if the planes had been available, winds were so strong they couldn't have been used to save the firefighters' lives.

"We could have had air tankers stacked up from here to the stratosphere and it wouldn't have made a difference," he said Monday. "The fire went through retardant lines like they were non-existent."

Within 45 minutes, at 4.47pm, the hotshot crew radioed that they were trapped and deploying their emergency shelters. Less than two hours later, 19 of them were found dead. Only one crew member who was assigned as the lookout survived.

A national team of investigators is working to understand more about the firefighters' deaths and is expected to finish an initial report in about two months.

Paxon said the behavior of the fire and the enormous "blowup" when the winds shifted was highly unusual.

"It was just an extreme situation," he said.

The fire destroyed more than 100 homes before it was fully contained on 10 July.
From what has come out so far it does not appear that there were any obvious fire management mistakes made in tackling this fire by the incident command team. It was vary small for a day but after a big Lightning storm like the one that started this fire many small fires will be started and there just aren't enough resources to extinguish them all immediately. Resources were ordered and deployed to fight it though and it wasn't allowed to fester like in some previous fire catastrophes. Still unclear why the Hotshots died though.
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