Humanity of the Clones

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Re: Humanity of the Clones

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Necronlord has a point.
Droids can be sentient beings (not necessarily all are, some are apparently just automatons - but plenty of droids are as sentient as any humanoid).
But everyone uses them without even the slightest moral issues involved. Mistreating them may be seen as bad, but buying, selling and owning them without having any actual rights? Everyone does it, no one ever questions it.

Well, the Clones and Droids have a lot in common. Both are created for a specific purpose, designed to fulfill a specific function. And both are treated pretty much the same by the Jedi - mostly with respect, they are taken care off, some are rescued from danger if a Jedi forms a close attachment to them.



Regarding Order 66:
I fail to see why we need to invoke any genetic free-will "act on autopilot" override.
With sufficient propaganda, real-life soldiers can be made to be pretty brutal to former comrades if they are branded traitors. Heck, common citizens can be like that. Figure in that the Clones were indoctrinated from birth to follow orders, think in specific patters, have firm loyalties etc. - of course every clone would obey.
The order is given, there's no time to question it - and even if there is individual doubt, group behavior will override that. The moments his fellow soldiers start attacking the Jedi, what's a individual Clone going to do? He's certainly not going to shoot his childhood comrades in the back - and not attacking the Jedi risks being branded a Jedi, the same comrades being slaughtered by that Jedi and even being killed yourself by the Jedi.

That's part of the brilliance of Order 66 - not only don't the Jedi have any time to react or coordinate, but the Clones don't have time to question the order or form any sort of resistance movement either.
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Re: Humanity of the Clones

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StarSword wrote:I frankly prefer the solution Darths & Droids came up with (Palps being a retired Jedi). It's really scary how the series makes more sense as an RPG campaign gone way the fuck off the rails.
Makes more sense? If Palpatine had been a retired Jedi, his Force ability would have been known from the start.
Replicant wrote:But it still is odd that the Cloners didn't question the "Jedi" handing Clones a set of orders that included their own execution.
The Kaminoans need not have known anything about the order, given that their job was to inculcate loyalty to the Republic and receptivity to orders in general ( as explained in AOTC ), not to prepackage clones with specific orders. That's the beauty of having a direct line of communication between Palpatine and the clone commanders as depicted in ROTS.
RogueIce wrote:For all we know the Jedi knew every one of those Orders existed
Apparently not. Roan Shryne had never heard of it, for example.
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Re: Humanity of the Clones

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Arawn Fenn wrote:
StarSword wrote:I frankly prefer the solution Darths & Droids came up with (Palps being a retired Jedi). It's really scary how the series makes more sense as an RPG campaign gone way the fuck off the rails.
Makes more sense? If Palpatine had been a retired Jedi, his Force ability would have been known from the start.
That is the case in the comic you mention. Everyone knows he has force powers from day one. The gimmick is that it uses screenshots with the dialogue changed.
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