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New York (CNN) -- An upstate New York church is giving new meaning to the biblical passage, "My peace I give unto you."

In this case, it's a piece: an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.

Grace Baptist Church in Troy -- about two and half hours north of Manhattan -- is giving away the semi-automatic rifle as part of a special event honoring hunters and gun owners later this month. The church website entices gun lovers with the words "Win a Free AR-15" followed by the New Testament line.

The holder of the winning ticket will receive an AR-15 modified for sale in New York state.


"Does the Bible defend my right to keep and bear arms?" says a promotional flier on the church website.

In a letter to his congregation, Pastor John Koletas said: "Our country was built with the King James Bible and the gun."

The winner will be named during a March 23 service dedicated to "hunters and gun owners who have been so viciously attacked by the antichristian socialist media and antichristian socialist politicians the last few years."

New York Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin, a Republican, will speak at the service.

McLaughlin told CNN that the event complied with New York gun laws. He said that he speaks regularly at events supporting Second Amendment rights.

While the church venue for such an event may be unusual, McLaughlin said many upstate New York pastors carry guns. They are law-abiding, church-going citizens, he said.

Michael Collins, pastor of Brunswick Baptist Church in Troy, somewhat agreed with the legislator.

"It is not something that we would do," he said, "but we have plenty of gun owners in the church, and it is our constitutional right to do so."

It is not uncommon for churches to host "outdoorsmen" events and give away guns, Collins said.

To qualify to win the AR-15, one has to be 18 or older, have a driver's license and be able to pass a background check to buy a gun, according to the pastor's letter.

The church reserves the right to disqualify anyone it deems of "questionable character" from winning the rifle, according to the letter.

Oakwood Trading Post, a local gun store, will conduct a background check on the winner before turning over the rifle, according to the store's owner, Brian Olesen.

The AR-15, valued at $700, was purchased by Grace Baptist and is being held at the gun store, Olesen said.

The semi-automatic rifle has a 10-round magazine capacity, and the trigger must be activated for every shot fired, Olesen said.

In 2013, a federal court ruled that a New York gun law restricting the sale of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines was constitutional.

The law was passed after the mass shooting at a Newtown, Connecticut, elementary school.

Armed with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, gunman Adam Lanza killed 20 first-graders and six school staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012, before taking his own life. Earlier, he had killed his mother inside their home.

Grace Baptist Church and Koletas did not return calls seeking comment.
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My favourite part is where the Pastor claims "Our country was built with the King James Bible and the gun."
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"I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword." That particular fantasy anthology has way too many mixed messages. I might have to enter since I go to school nearby and a free AR would be awesome.
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PKRudeBoy wrote:"I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword." That particular fantasy anthology has way too many mixed messages. I might have to enter since I go to school nearby and a free AR would be awesome.
Yeah, good luck passing the "questionable character" veto if you're not a good ol' boy the pastor recognizes from attending the church regularly.

Troy, NY isn't exactly the illiterate back woods - it's a suburb of the state capital, and home to a major tech school. Churches there probably have to compete hard if they want a larger share of a population that is sparse in general and probably lower in Christians than average for an area in the USA with its lowish population density, so a flashy promotion like this that appeals to a proven crossover demographic like gun-fondlers isn't really surprising at all.

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Raw Shark wrote:
Yeah, good luck passing the "questionable character" veto if you're not a good ol' boy the pastor recognizes from attending the church regularly.
I was just about to mention this. I'm surprised they didn't make it official and add a "Bible test" to the background check criteria.
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Whatever. Upstate NY is basically Western Pennsylvania. Lots of farms and churches and tractor supplies and hicks.
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Troy is more a decaying industrial area with a once pretty facade over the downtown area. The hicks and farms are only 15 minutes away though. And as far as passing the "questionable character" test I'm a white male with no criminal history who went to catholic school and has a WASPy last name. They'd love me, up until I start arguing with the pastor on theology.
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Whoa I live in Brunswick, and it's the first I've heard of this. Hoo-rah!
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Channel72 wrote:Whatever. Upstate NY is basically Western Pennsylvania. Lots of farms and churches and tractor supplies and hicks.
Yes and No. Western NY is basically Western Pennsylvania, I agree. Eastern NY is a bizarre hodgepodge of rich yuppies and cored out failed urban areas, with poor ancient farms wedged in the middle of all of them barely getting by. Just take the major captial region area. Three large, poor urban areas that are separate from but in very close proximity to each other. Schenectady is a very small Detroit-wannabe city trying its hardest to get out from under itself. Troy is just kind of there, not doing much of anything besides growing in population and dying economically (also playing host to hilarious local political theater. And RPI is there too, I guess).

And then there's Albany, which is so schizophrenic in architecture, economics, and demographics it seems like the city of Lud from The Dark Tower.
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Let's see... New York passed a dumbass knee-jerk gun law, a stereotypically far right church responds with a raffle basically to protest said dumbass law. Now, I saw that coming (just like I knew a few local police and sherriff outfits would refuse to actually enforce the law), but judging by the reactions of some, they're either oblivious as fuck or they didn't read the full article.

Anyway, I call it "Reason #97 for why there is no fucking way in hell I will ever live in New York state."
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Ooh, they underlined this with Bible quotes? Lemme' guess...

"I have not come to bring peace but a gun"

"All those bad people who live by the sword shall die by the sword of all the good people who live by the sword"

"The Gun Is Good. The Penis is Evil"


Yup, perfect scriptural justifications.
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For fuck's sake. Get over the church aspect, people. Of course a goddamn pastor is going to name drop the bible. This is about a retarded gun law, not religion.
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