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Extra extra read all about it!
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BOSTON (Reuters) - Irish brewer Guinness said on Sunday that it would not participate in New York City's St. Patrick's Day parade this year because gay and lesbian groups had been excluded, costing organizers a key sponsor of the annual event.

The move came on the same day that Boston's Irish-American mayor skipped that city's St. Patrick's Day parade after failing to hammer out a deal with organizers to allow a group of gay and lesbian activists to march openly.

"Guinness has a strong history of supporting diversity and being an advocate for equality for all. We were hopeful that the policy of exclusion would be reversed for this year's parade," the brewer said in a written statement issued by a spokesman for its parent company, Diageo.

"As this has not come to pass, Guinness has withdrawn its participation. We will continue to work with community leaders to ensure that future parades have an inclusionary policy," Guinness said.

Last week New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said he would not march in the parade because gay and lesbian activists had been again precluded from taking part.

The loss of Guinness, one of the world's top beer brands originating in Dublin, Ireland, appeared to ratchet up the pressure on organizers even further.

On Friday, two other major beer companies, Sam Adams brewer Boston Beer Co and Heineken dropped their sponsorship of parades in Boston and New York, respectively, over the issue.

Representatives for the New York board of the Ancient Order of the Hibernians, which has run the parade for more than 150 years, could not be reached for comment on Sunday afternoon.

Earlier in the day Boston Mayor Marty Walsh skipped his city's parade when he couldn't negotiate a deal with organizers, the conservative Allied War Veteran's Council, to allow members of MassEquality, one of Massachusetts' largest gay activist groups, to join.

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"So much of our Irish history has been shaped by the fight against oppression," Walsh, the city's first Irish-American mayor in 20 years, said in a statement.

"As mayor of the city of Boston, I have to do my best to ensure that all Bostonians are free to participate fully in the civic life of our city. Unfortunately, this year, the parties were not able to come to an understanding that would have made that possible."

Despite Walsh's boycott, other prominent Democratic Boston politicians, including Representative Stephen Lynch, marched in the parade, which drew tens of thousands of spectators, some of whom expressed disappointment at MassEquality's exclusion.

"It's supposed to be a time when everyone can come together," said university student Jeyashri Sridhar, 18. "It's sad that people can't participate because of who they are."

Organizers of St. Patrick's Day parades in New York and Boston, among the most liberal-leaning cities in the United States, have come under increasing criticism in recent years for banning openly gay marchers.

Parade organizers argue that to do so would conflict with their Roman Catholic heritage. The Catholic church contends that homosexual activity is immoral.

While MassEquality did not participate, the parade was not without gay marchers.

South Boston resident Randy Foster, along with his husband Steve Martin, organized a diversity-themed float that sported rainbow flags but no direct gay rights messages. Foster said the flags represented the proverbial pot of gold at the end of the rainbow in Irish lore, though he acknowledged the gay-rights movement uses a rainbow flag.

"If there's a dual message to it, we're OK with it and so are the parade organizers," said Foster, 48. "We made the point of not making it a gay float. If we're going to have a message of inclusion, it shouldn't be for one group."

Massachusetts in 2003 became the first U.S. state to legalize gay marriage. Attitudes on gay marriage have changed markedly across the nation since then, with 17 states and the District of Columbia now allowing same-sex couples to wed.
In a city as liberal and gay friendly as Boston, it still boggle me how Christians are still so shocked that the gays are "demanding" such outrageous things like, being able to march openly in a parade :P
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I suspect that there are far more "Christians" not boycotting Guiness than who are boycotting it.

Sort of like saying "Muslims boycott Coca-Cola because it's filthy-western-decadent" when in fact it's a few tens of thousands of Muslims in one city who are doing it.
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Beg your pardon but where is the 'Christians are boycotting Guinness' part of the thread title coming from? Because the article doesn't make any mention of a Christian beer boycott at all, it only talks about Guinness, several other companies, and the majors of New York and Boston boycotting the parades over their lack of inclusiveness.
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Sam Adams and Heineken boycotted too. So did Anheiser Busch I believe. Anyone who thinks that Irish Catholics in Boston are going to stop drinking beer over politics is delusional.
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Siege wrote:Beg your pardon but where is the 'Christians are boycotting Guinness' part of the thread title coming from? Because the article doesn't make any mention of a Christian beer boycott at all, it only talks about Guinness, several other companies, and the majors of New York and Boston boycotting the parades over their lack of inclusiveness.
Hey... wait a minute...

Come to think of it, I didn't read that part either.

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Well, a boycott is being called for by Bill Donahue. Whether or not anyone actually follows through? *shrug*

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Even if a few do, it's not like all or even most Christians in Boston, let alone the whole country, will.
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And even if they did...okay? Culture wars ftw. Guinness pulls it, Christians pull it, let them go at it. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood but I feel as if the Original sin here trumps any of the myriad manifestations of the secondary trespasses that must follow, yet we get outraged at those two.
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Wait, the St. Patrick's Day parades aren't organized by the municipal government? That's news to me. Why the fuck are the Ancient Order of the Hibernians (whoever they are) and the Allied War Veteran's Council putting on these parades, apparently with such impunity that they can directly ignore the missives of the mayor?
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"Ancient Order of the Hibernians" sounds like one of those 'lodge'-style organizations, which sprouted all over the place in the 19th century, and... hm.

[Does cursory research]

OK, the US branch was founded as a protective association for Irish-American immigrants, in the 19th century, to sum things up in broad terms.

So it's pretty easy to see how they became so influential in organizing an Irish-American cultural event.
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Ziggy Stardust wrote:Wait, the St. Patrick's Day parades aren't organized by the municipal government? That's news to me. Why the fuck are the Ancient Order of the Hibernians (whoever they are) and the Allied War Veteran's Council putting on these parades, apparently with such impunity that they can directly ignore the missives of the mayor?

God, it's almost like you've never even heard of our Bill of Rights. See the first one, the line about freedom of assembly. Also, I'm pretty sure these people pay through the nose for things like permits, officers to block traffic, ect..
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Mr. Coffee wrote: God, it's almost like you've never even heard of our Bill of Rights. See the first one, the line about freedom of assembly. Also, I'm pretty sure these people pay through the nose for things like permits, officers to block traffic, ect..
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That is one of the most massive, knee-jerk straw-mans I have seen on these boards in the last age. Congratulations.
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Yet you're not denying any of what I said. Good job on making (another) useless post. Christ, it's like I'm a magnet for time wasters today...
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Ziggy Stardust wrote:Wait, the St. Patrick's Day parades aren't organized by the municipal government? That's news to me. Why the fuck are the Ancient Order of the Hibernians (whoever they are) and the Allied War Veteran's Council putting on these parades, apparently with such impunity that they can directly ignore the missives of the mayor?
Why the fuck would the local government have anything to do with a parade in honor of the feast day of the patron saint of a foreign country, instead of an Irish heritage organization?
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Don't they march down a fairly major street? That would seem to be a local government thing.
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Does anyone know if these Fundamentalist boycotts generally result in a loss or gain (presumably from the opposition buying more) for the companies that stand up for gay rights?

I'd be very interested in seeing a graph showing relative sales' change from these things from year to year. If they've never been effective, or are becoming less effective, or even backfiring would be encouraging.
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Gandalf wrote:Don't they march down a fairly major street? That would seem to be a local government thing.
Yes, as far as handling permits and providing security goes, and of course local politicians will flock to any public event that draws good press, but that doesn't mean that they organize or support any given parade. When Nazis were marching in Chicago, the local government had to do the same for them, but as distasteful as Chicago politicians may be, I'm fairly certain they aren't Nazis.
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Mr. Coffee wrote:Yet you're not denying any of what I said.
Do you really not understand what "straw-man" means, moron? Take your holier-than-thou bullshit back to Testing.
PKRudeBoy wrote: Why the fuck would the local government have anything to do with a parade in honor of the feast day of the patron saint of a foreign country, instead of an Irish heritage organization?
It's pretty common for local governments to handle parades and other celebrations. In fact, I would say it is the norm, rather than the exception, at least for smaller jurisdictions. In my hometown, holiday parades were almost exclusively executed by Town Hall in at least some capacity. It's not at all as unusual as you seem to think it is.

Also, come on, how many Americans do you know actually think of St. Patrick's Day having anything to do with a feast day of a saint? Yes, I know that is technically what the holiday is, but you are lying to yourself if you think that is how most people treat it.
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Ziggy Stardust wrote:
Mr. Coffee wrote:Yet you're not denying any of what I said.
Do you really not understand what "straw-man" means, moron? Take your holier-than-thou bullshit back to Testing.
Listen, you dense motherfucker, you asked why it is that the Holy Order of Hibernators or whoever the fuck can put on large scale parades without given a fuck about if the Mayor of the city is down with it or not. It's because they have the right to freely assemble, they paid all the fees and got the permits needed to hold the event. No strawman involved, you dumb cunt, and if you pulled your thick fucking skull from your fat fucking ass you'd see that.

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Ziggy Stardust wrote:
It's pretty common for local governments to handle parades and other celebrations. In fact, I would say it is the norm, rather than the exception, at least for smaller jurisdictions. In my hometown, holiday parades were almost exclusively executed by Town Hall in at least some capacity. It's not at all as unusual as you seem to think it is.
You're wrong. Even most of the tiny little towns I've been part of a parade in weren't organized by the government, and it'd be illegal for them to hold a St. Patrick's day parade, clear violation of church and state.
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