I'm no fan of the college football system, so I find this humorous (for now).CNN wrote:(CNN) -- The National Labor Relations Board in Chicago has ruled that football players at Northwestern University are employees and can unionize, the board said Wednesday.
In a statement, Northwestern acknowledged the ruling and says it plans to appeal.
Read the board's ruling (PDF)
The players' petition was a way to get a seat at the bargaining table in college sports and could change the landscape of the NCAA model.
Northwestern University fought the petition by saying its players are students, not employees.
But the board's decision indicates that there was enough evidence presented that the athletes are employees of the university -- getting paid in the form of scholarships, working between 20 and 50 hours per week and generating millions of dollars for their institutions.
The athletes have said they're seeking better medical coverage, concussion testing, four-year scholarships and the possibility of being paid.
Richard Epstein, labor law professor at New York University, said the ruling has "vast implications for the structure of the sport, if upheld."
But he noted an appeal would likely take years to resolve.
The regional NLRB office said any requests for review of its decision must be filed with the board's headquarters in Washington, D.C. by April 9.
The NCAA promptly said that while it wasn't party to the proceeding, it was "disappointed" with the board's ruling and disagreed "with the notion that student-athletes are employees."
"We frequently hear from student-athletes, across all sports, that they participate to enhance their overall college experience and for the love of their sport, not to be paid," said the statement from NCAA chief legal officer Donald Remy. "While improvements need to be made, we do not need to completely throw away a system that has helped literally millions of students over the past decade alone attend college.
"We want student-athletes -- 99 percent of whom will never make it to the professional leagues -- focused on what matters most -- finding success in the classroom, on the field and in life."
Last week, Northwestern University's president emeritus said that if the football players were successful forming a union, he could see the prestigious private institution giving up Division I football.
"If we got into collective bargaining situations, I would not take for granted that the Northwesterns of the world would continue to play Division I sports," Henry Bienen said at the annual conference for the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics.
He further said that if the players won their fight, private institutions with high academic standards -- he specifically cited Duke and Stanford -- could abandon the current model in order to preserve academic integrity.
He compared it to the pullback of the Ivy League schools decades ago, when the Ivy League conference decided to opt out of postseason play and to end athletic scholarships, preserving the emphasis on academics for the players.
"In the 1950s, the 'Ivies' had some of the highest-ranked football teams in the country. The Princeton teams were ranked in the top 5 or 10 at that time. They continue periodically to have ranked basketball teams, but they've given up a certain kind of model of sports," he said, adding that "under certain conditions" the same could happen at other private elite universities that "continue to play big time sports."
Jerry Price, senior associate athletic director at Princeton, said that change for the Ivy League allowed those schools to maintain academic integrity in the sports where, at other schools, academics can often be compromised in the name of the game.
"It was sort of a breaking point moment," Price said, saying the Ivy League schools made the decision not to move forward like the bigger conferences -- to "draw the line with the commercialization of what football was becoming."
"And the results have been that Ivy football is not what it was in the first half of the 20th century," Price said. "Certainly not like Big Ten football, SEC football. Its crowds are generally less than 10,000 people. They play only 10 games a year. ... Certainly not what is going on at BCS level."
Bienen, who was president of Northwestern from 1995 to 2009, made his comments during a panel discussion that included a presentation from Ramogi Huma, the president of the National College Players Association (NCPA) and the man who helped organize former Northwestern quarterback Kain Colter to lead a unionization attempt.
Huma talked, as he has for months, about the issues his organization sees as great flaws in the current NCAA model. The NCPA believes that athletes in the revenue-generating sports of college football and men's basketball are taken advantage of by universities, conferences and the NCAA, making billions from games, while the players sometimes struggle with basic needs like medical care, concussion testing and guaranteed scholarships.
In March, the NCPA took its fight before the NLRB in Chicago and presented a case during a five-day hearing. Both sides recently submitted court briefs.
Northwestern's appeal could go as far as the U.S. Supreme Court, and it could take years before there is a definitive decision.
During his daylong testimony last week, Colter talked about year-round time requirements, at times 50 hours a week devoted to football.
Colter said he had to give up his major related to pre-med studies because he couldn't fit the classes into his schedule. The university countered that by bringing in students who were able to stay in rigorous classes, but Colter's sentiment was echoed by the NCAA itself in a 2012 survey that asked athletes what they would change about their college experience.
About 15% of men's football, baseball and basketball players said they would have had different majors had they not been athletes. Twelve percent of Division I football players said athletics prevented them from majoring in what they wanted. The average time spent on athletics in-season hovered around 40 hours per week for all three sports, according to the survey.
That flies in the face of the NCAA 20-hour rule, which states that, no matter the sport, coaches can't take up more than 20 hours of their players' time.
CNN's Devon M. Sayers contributed to this report.
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No student unions at Northwestern?CNN wrote:Northwestern University fought the petition by saying its players are students, not employees.
Also, considering the crazy amount of money which can be made off these teams, they should be able to unionise like anyone else.
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Of course they should. The universities are just scared they're going to lose their cash cows which they could exploit freely. Before this, the athletes had very little power. They still do, but this is a step in the right direction.Gandalf wrote:No student unions at Northwestern?CNN wrote:Northwestern University fought the petition by saying its players are students, not employees.
Also, considering the crazy amount of money which can be made off these teams, they should be able to unionise like anyone else.
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As schools continued to draw ever more lucrative TV contracts, and in many cases started their own TV networks, they lost much of the "moral high ground" IMO.
And the whole "Well if you unionize, we'll just shutdown the football program" sounds like a throwback to scare tactics used by employers from the early part of the 20th century.
And the whole "Well if you unionize, we'll just shutdown the football program" sounds like a throwback to scare tactics used by employers from the early part of the 20th century.
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That, and if schools shut down football programs, how many billions of dollars could they stand to lose?And the whole "Well if you unionize, we'll just shutdown the football program" sounds like a throwback to scare tactics used by employers from the early part of the 20th century.
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I think they would just withdraw the scholarships, generally not provided on a level playing field academically with other students, until they get a group of high school athletes who are more than happy to have free education over pay. While we have definetly lost track of priorities even now you still have to be notationally accepted to and a student of the school you play for, so there is an employment dynamic most other professions don't have to deal with.
I like college football but I would be hard pressed to name anyone on another team other than the QBs, and even my team maybe a reciever or two. People watch and go out of school or region loyalty not player performance. Sure the attendance increases with wins, but Death Valley/The Camp/Bryant-Denny/Happy Valley/Big House etc. will never have a problem filling seats.
I like college football but I would be hard pressed to name anyone on another team other than the QBs, and even my team maybe a reciever or two. People watch and go out of school or region loyalty not player performance. Sure the attendance increases with wins, but Death Valley/The Camp/Bryant-Denny/Happy Valley/Big House etc. will never have a problem filling seats.
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Early part of the 20th century? This shit still happens today... (beyond the colleges, I mean)TheHammer wrote:As schools continued to draw ever more lucrative TV contracts, and in many cases started their own TV networks, they lost much of the "moral high ground" IMO.
And the whole "Well if you unionize, we'll just shutdown the football program" sounds like a throwback to scare tactics used by employers from the early part of the 20th century.
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Good on them. The "they are there to study" argument doesn't hold water. The colleges might have a point if they were actually providing a decent education, but it's pretty much common knowledge that many of the athletes receive subpar education at best (just look at that recent UNC scandal).
The big colleges make money hand over fist off of their sports programs. They get money for everything from ticket sales and concessions to royalties for video games and televised games. The coaches get an exorbitant amount of money, with 70 NCAA football head coaches receiving over $1,000,000 each in 2013 alone, and 3 receiving over $5,000,000 each. But they don't pay the athletes a single penny. Not only do the athletes not get paid, but they can risk losing their scholarship if they transfer schools or sustain a career-ending injury. The current athletics system is designed to chew up the kids and spit them out when they are no longer profitable.
The big colleges make money hand over fist off of their sports programs. They get money for everything from ticket sales and concessions to royalties for video games and televised games. The coaches get an exorbitant amount of money, with 70 NCAA football head coaches receiving over $1,000,000 each in 2013 alone, and 3 receiving over $5,000,000 each. But they don't pay the athletes a single penny. Not only do the athletes not get paid, but they can risk losing their scholarship if they transfer schools or sustain a career-ending injury. The current athletics system is designed to chew up the kids and spit them out when they are no longer profitable.