But voter fraud doesn't exist!

[madd0ct0r]

That's a good article kernal, hadn't realised clerks might be putting down 9999 for the social security number
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[Simon_Jester]

Jesus Christ, Timmy, let it fucking go. Your thread title's a blatant strawman of the issue under discussion, no one denies that voter fraud occurs. Individual voter fraud is neither common nor effective enough to statistically matter and make it an issue deserving of national or state attention or outweigh the fact that the "cure" you're proposing is worse than the "disease".

The suggestions he actually made are:

1) Tying death records to the voter rolls so the dead are stricken from the rolls automatically.
2) Integrating voter lists on a national level.

Exactly how bad are those ideas? Most of the civilized world integrates voter lists on the national level, and making sure that dead people are stricken from the roles is a perfectly sensible move.

So what cure of Timothy's are you talking about? Or is it as much a figment of your imagination as the million fake voters are of Dick Morris's imagination?


Hm. OK, I'll grant the thread title is sarcastic- actually, I'd accuse Timothy of being naive here, not unreasonable. When you first hear "evidence suggests thousands of double votes may have occurred in this state in the last presidential election..." that does legitimately sound like cause for alarm.

Apparently Timothy did not know that there are a lot of other explanations for double-votes (people who move and are not stricken from the voter rolls in their old home, people whose social security number is entered incorrectly or as 9999 or whatever, people who are improperly checked off by incompetent precinct officials...). But by and large, these alternate explanations only occur after a bit of careful thought about the process, so other than saying "think before you link" or whatever... what is there to say?

[TimothyC]

Incidentally, voting twice isn't really that easy to get away with.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/ ... in-custody

Not when you brag about it. Maybe you should read that PDF I linked to from NYC's Department of Investigations, which found that fraud was easy to get away with.

This is all bullshit.

Politifact on voter fraud in the North Carolina report.

So yes, voter fraud is STILL not an issue. Move along.

I didn't claim a million fraudulent voters. I didn't even use the 30k+ number he used. I pointed to the 700+ double votes in North Carolina and someplace else, noted that fraud was happening, and said that it should be addressed.

Jesus Christ, Timmy, let it fucking go. Your thread title's a blatant strawman of the issue under discussion, no one denies that voter fraud occurs. Individual voter fraud is neither common nor effective enough to statistically matter and make it an issue deserving of national or state attention or outweigh the fact that the "cure" you're proposing is worse than the "disease".

You think that making sure that the voter rolls are accurate from state to state and that they don't contain dead people is a bad thing? I might be a good thing in the Principality of Chicago where the dead vote early and vote often (yes, I know you are not from Chicago), but most people consider it a bad thing.

And I've requested before that people not refer to me as "Timmy". If you don't want to type out Timothy, please use TJ.

Hm. OK, I'll grant the thread title is sarcastic-

Of course it was sarcasm. Heck, people stir up enough against conservatives, I find the response when I do the same against their sacred cows hilarious.

Apparently Timothy did not know that there are a lot of other explanations for double-votes (people who move and are not stricken from the voter rolls in their old home, people whose social security number is entered incorrectly or as 9999 or whatever, people who are improperly checked off by incompetent precinct officials...). But by and large, these alternate explanations only occur after a bit of careful thought about the process, so other than saying "think before you link" or whatever... what is there to say?

You see explanations, I see excuses. Anyone working in a polling place should always be under a two-man rule, with each member from a different (and opposed) party, with removal of any one party from a poling place resulting in the invalidation of any and all votes from that location (this would have remove many of the issues with poll monitors being kicked out by the majority). If you can't do your job right (data entry and quality checks) then you shouldn't be doing it at all. If that means paying a bit more for secure elections then that is what we should do.

[The Kernel]

I didn't claim a million fraudulent voters. I didn't even use the 30k+ number he used. I pointed to the 700+ double votes in North Carolina and someplace else, noted that fraud was happening, and said that it should be addressed.

Read the damn article I posted and not just the headline and you'll see how it's all unsubstantiated bullshit. This has happened before and once these cases are investigated they almost always turn out to be mistakes.

[madd0ct0r]

each member from a different (and opposed) party, with removal of any one party from a poling place resulting in the invalidation of any and all votes from that location

I think your earlier suggestions were more reasonable. Does each independent count as a party?
Have there been any cases of (official) poll monitors being kicked out by the majority?

But then I live in the UK which has more then two parties and also manages to:

1) Tying death records to the voter rolls so the dead are stricken from the rolls automatically.
2) Integrating voter lists on a national level.

I'd also suggest some sort of better system then someone scrawling numbers in a paper booklet. A free national ID sounds like a plan. EDIT: although we do without one in the UK. All you need is a name and address that's on the electrol register. https://www.gov.uk/voting-in-the-uk/polling-stations

[Napoleon the Clown]

One thing to keep in mind about striking the dead from voter rolls is that you need to make sure and have ways for corrections to be made in the case of mistakes happening. They will happen and someone shouldn't be rendered ineligible to vote because a different John Smith died and the person doing record keeping removes the wrong John Smith.

It doesn't mean you can't remove the deceased from voter rolls, you've just gotta make sure that if there is a mistake made the person who got removed erroneously will know with plenty of time to get things worked out. Or people who get removed out of malice. That most certainly would happen, though not necessarily in huge numbers.