child bride poisons groom

[mr friendly guy]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26978872

Nigeria child bride 'poisons older husband'

A 14-year-old girl in the northern Nigerian state of Kano has confessed to killing the man she was forced to marry, police say.

Wasilu Umar admitted killing her husband, who was more than twice her age, by concealing rat poison in his food, the police in Kano said.

Three other people also died and 10 were taken to hospital apparently after eating the same food.

Child marriage is common in Nigeria, especially in the mainly Muslim north.

The girl's father had forced her to marry the 35-year-old man, police said.

The marriage took place last week, police superintendent Musa Magaji Majia told the Associated Press news agency.

The BBC's Will Ross in Nigeria says Islamic police are trying to stop parents from forcing children into marriages against their will and the father could be charged.

The teenager is likely to be tried in a juvenile court.

At least the Islamic police are trying to stop this bullshit child marriages which in this case most likely provoked the action.

[K. A. Pital]

Applaud her actions, good girl.

[Grumman]

Applaud her actions, good girl.

I'd agree if she'd only poisoned the one person. The article doesn't say who the other thirteen victims were.

[fgalkin]

Applaud her actions, good girl.

I'd agree if she'd only poisoned the one person. The article doesn't say who the other thirteen victims were.

The groom's friends

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/c ... -1.1752484


Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Korto]

Well then, not knowing anything more about them then they were apparently fine with a forced marriage, I'm not going to lose any sleep over them.

[Metahive]

If she put enough poison in to have a number of them drop dead after one meal, shouldn't they have tasted it? Rat poison in great quantities isn't exactly taste-neutral.

[Broomstick]

I don't know - have you ever tasted rat poison? I haven't. It also depends on which poison, as some are lethal in very small quantities.

If she did it at a big feast then there may have been enough food to dilute sufficiently so it wouldn't be tasted, but people still ate enough for it to be fatal in some cases.

[Lagmonster]

Depends on the region and the people. Poor people, especially in rural regions without reliable electricity, may by sheer need overlook funny smells in their food, or compensate for poor food quality by over-spicing it. My father told me a story of one of his overseas assignments in the 70s where a few of them were trying to convince the locals that although food was certainly scarce, it wasn't worth it to try to pass semi-rotted food off as edible by trying to disguise the foul flavours that would normally warn people not to eat it.

[Borgholio]

While I applaud her desire to fight back against this form of institutionalized pedophilia...she'll probably be stoned to death for the crime of standing up for herself.

[wautd]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26978872

At least the Islamic police are trying to stop this bullshit child marriages which in this case most likely provoked the action.

I'm surprised these assholes are actually trying to stop it I'd expect them to promote such bullshit. I guess it depends on which religious denomination they follow I guess.

[Spekio]

I find this sad. Not what the girl did, but the whole situation. I'm sure the consequences of her actions will be awful. Poor girl.

While I applaud her desire to fight back against this form of institutionalized pedophilia...she'll probably be stoned to death for the crime of standing up for herself.

Stop using that word. The girl was fourteen. Try "institutionalized rape".

[Borgholio]

Stop using that word. The girl was fourteen. Try "institutionalized rape".

Pedophilia is the correct term to use for someone who engages in sex with an underage woman. Would you prefer pervert instead?

[Spekio]

Pedophilia is the correct term to use for someone who engages in sex with an underage woman. Would you prefer pervert instead?

First, no, it is not. It's what fucking morons are trying to turn the word into. Pedophilia is more heinous than presumed rape because it involves PRE-PUBESCENTS.

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger; as a medical diagnosis, specific criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.

Also, she is not fucking "underage" there, you moron. Nor here, for that matter.

[Borgholio]

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger; as a medical diagnosis, specific criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.

Way to quote Wikipedia there, Professor. See, I can do it too:

In law enforcement circles, the term pedophile is sometimes used in a broad manner to encompass a person who commits one or more sexually-based crimes that relate to legally underage victims.

So legally, pedophile = statutory rapist.

Also, she is not fucking "underage" there, you moron.

And that's exactly the problem, you jackass. Why else would we be discussing the evils of child marriage if we were ok with them having such a low age of consent? Think about it for a moment.

Nor here, for that matter.

Since you didn't give your location, I can not confirm if that is true. With that said, however...in most of the Western World:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_co ... State_laws

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Age_o ... Global.svg

So yeah, he's a pedophile and she's underage according to the laws most people in this thread adhere to. Deal with it.

[TheFeniX]

In law enforcement circles, the term pedophile is sometimes used in a broad manner to encompass a person who commits one or more sexually-based crimes that relate to legally underage victims.

So legally, pedophile = statutory rapist.

The legal definition doesn't have to match the actual definition. "Assault" means two different things: in the law it basically boils down to the threat of violence, with intent and ability to make good on the threat. But "Battery" concerns the actual use of force and overlaps with the dictionary definition of assault.

While there's obvious issues with relationships between mentally immature, yet sexually mature, males/females vs mentally and sexually mature ones: the issue is the mental maturity difference. It's assumed you're taking advantage of them being naive and likely are. Would we call two 14-year-olds having sex pedophiles? No. Are they sexual deviants? No.

But really, even if this was the most mature 14-year-old on Earth, it doesn't change the fact that she was treated as property and basically sold as a slave by her father.

So yeah, he's a pedophile and she's underage according to the laws most people in this thread adhere to. Deal with it.

I don't ascribe to the idea that this man is/was a pedophile. The same as a I don't consider someone who pisses in public a sex offender like the state of Texas does. Paedophiles are attracted to sexually undeveloped children: that's a mental condition.

If you honestly think being attracted to underage, yet sexually mature, girls (or boys for that matter) is in the same boat as paedophilia, most of the human race would be mentally ill.

EDIT: let me clarify: I'm by no means condoning "Chasing jailbait" (for lack of a better term). I have major issues with either gender acting on their impulses concerning someone under 18. Hell, I tend to think people around 21 are rarely mature enough to make long lasting decisions like this. But my personal believes don't change the fact that just being attracted to sexually undeveloped children is mental illness, while the same does not apply to post-pubescent "children."

[Borgholio]

But really, even if this was the most mature 14-year-old on Earth, it doesn't change the fact that she was treated as property and basically sold as a slave by her father.

Agreed, and I am honestly concerned for her welfare in that kind of culture. Surely there will be some kind of reprisal against her.

I don't consider someone who pisses in public a sex offender like the state of Texas does.

It's like that in many other places too, and yeah it's bullshit. It's not like he's taking his penis out and chasing a schoolgirl with it.

If you honestly think being attracted to underage, yet sexually mature, girls (or boys for that matter) is in the same boat as paedophilia, most of the human race would be mentally ill.

EDIT: let me clarify: I'm by no means condoning "Chasing jailbait" (for lack of a better term). I have major issues with either gender acting on their impulses concerning someone under 18. Hell, I tend to think people around 21 are rarely mature enough to make long lasting decisions like this. But my personal believes don't change the fact that just being attracted to sexually undeveloped children is mental illness, while the same does not apply to post-pubescent "children."

*sigh* Yeah I suppose you have a point if you put it that way. I guess it makes more sense to, for the purposes of this discussion, to restrict the talk of pedophilia to the clinical definition.

I concede my argument on him being a pedophile.

[Spekio]

Way to quote Wikipedia there, Professor. See, I can do it too:

In law enforcement circles, the term pedophile is sometimes used in a broad manner to encompass a person who commits one or more sexually-based crimes that relate to legally underage victims.

As a lawyer, law enforcement tend to know shit about the law.

So legally, pedophile = statutory rapist.

Says fucking who? Seriously, because people call a bear a dog it does not make a bear a dog. Legally, by definition, is under the law.

And that's exactly the problem, you jackass. Why else would we be discussing the evils of child marriage if we were ok with them having such a low age of consent? Think about it for a moment.

I'm okay with a low age of consent. I'm not okay with her being treated as a property and being raped because her father said so. Also, I live in Brazil.

To equate adults having sex with 17 year (who cannot consent legally) olds to alduts raping 9 year olds is stupid.

Since you didn't give your location, I can not confirm if that is true. With that said, however...in most of the Western World:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_co ... State_laws

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Age_o ... Global.svg

Oh yes, United states, where you can get marked for life as a sex offender for peeing in an alley and accidentaly getting spotted by a child, and where the army legally charge people for having non-missionary position sex. Yeah, fuck that.

[Borgholio]

where the army legally charge people for having non-missionary position sex.

Wait, what?

[Spekio]

where the army legally charge people for having non-missionary position sex.

Wait, what?

Article 125 of the UCMJ.

[Borgholio]

where the army legally charge people for having non-missionary position sex.

Wait, what?

Article 125 of the UCMJ.

Looks like it only bans sodomy and oral sex. Not really all that surprising given how conservative it has been in the past regarding sexual issues.

[Metahive]

I don't know - have you ever tasted rat poison? It also depends on which poison, as some are lethal in very small quantities.

Rat poisons, like arsenic or strychnin tend to taste quite bitter in lethal doses. The usual method of killing people with them is therefore to feed it in small quantities to the victim over an extended period of time.

If she did it at a big feast then there may have been enough food to dilute sufficiently so it wouldn't be tasted, but people still ate enough for it to be fatal in some cases.

She used enough poison to kill four adult males and hospitalize a dozen others. The taste should have been obvious unless what Lagmonster says is true and the food was also radically seasoned and spiced and the people were used to poor quality food.

I somewhat torn about this. On one hand child brides are a despicable practice but on the other hand poisoning. especially callous mass poisoning isn't something that I just can't approve of either with a clear conscience. I feel for the poor girl, but sad to say I think she hasn't made her situation any better with this act.

[Broomstick]

What about the coumarin based rodent poisons? They are odorless and tasteless in lethal quantities.

[Metahive]

I'm afraid I don't know enough about coumarin based poisons to answer this question.

[Broomstick]

We use them around my building and the other ones owned by my landlord. They are quite effective... but extremely dangerous if not placed carefully because not only vermin but pets and children will eat the poisoned baits with relish. Because they taste good.

[Batman]

Didn't you call them tasteless one post ago?