Shrubby Speaks

[The Dark]

Shrubby's just told Saddam to get out of town--errr, Iraq--in 48 hours or Shrubby will come out shooting.

Yep, the whole world works like the Wild West...

I'm still in favor of a dual to settle the whole thing, but with aircraft. Each gets the best there country has to offer. So former fighter pilot Bush gets an F-22, while no formal military training Saddam gets an MiG-29.

Saddam would probably win. Bush is too dumb to understand the F-22 interface, and his piloting marks were the lowest among the FANGers flying F-102 Delta Darts. Bush was a "fighter pilot" about as well as most militia people are soldiers.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

Shrubby's just told Saddam to get out of town--errr, Iraq--in 48 hours or Shrubby will come out shooting.

Yep, the whole world works like the Wild West... :roll:

I'm still in favor of a dual to settle the whole thing, but with aircraft. Each gets the best there country has to offer. So former fighter pilot Bush gets an F-22, while no formal military training Saddam gets an MiG-29.

:twisted:

Saddam would probably win. Bush is too dumb to understand the F-22 interface, and his piloting marks were the lowest among the FANGers flying F-102 Delta Darts. Bush was a "fighter pilot" about as well as most militia people are soldiers.

Well, I'm not terribly convinced of Saddam's piloting skills either. So, to make things even, we could stick 'em both in old Sopwith Camels. The resulting fight would be much more interesting, since neither of 'em can launch a bunch of missiles at the other guy to take him down.

[Frank Hipper]

Well, I'm not terribly convinced of Saddam's piloting skills either. So, to make things even, we could stick 'em both in old Sopwith Camels. The resulting fight would be much more interesting, since neither of 'em can launch a bunch of missiles at the other guy to take him down.

M.A.S.-Mutually Assured Suicide. Sopwith Camels were dangerous planes to fly, even when you were trained to fly one.

[Stormbringer]

Well, I'm not terribly convinced of Saddam's piloting skills either. So, to make things even, we could stick 'em both in old Sopwith Camels. The resulting fight would be much more interesting, since neither of 'em can launch a bunch of missiles at the other guy to take him down.

M.A.S.-Mutually Assured Suicide. Sopwith Camels were dangerous planes to fly, even when you were trained to fly one.

And this is such a big problem why?

[fgalkin]

Why not? Saddam did it before and ultimately that oil will be paying for a good chunk of the rebuilding. Not to mention it'd fuck the ecosystem all to hell as well.

The "oil is property of Iraqi people" is ridiculous.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Great tatic repeat the same damn thing THREE times in a row.

I did NOT repeat the same thing 3 times in a row. There was yet another board lag, and I tripple-posted. I had no way to see that my posts have been replied to, and I couldn't delete them.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Enlightenment]

Why waste perfectly good aircraft? Just give both of the idiots rifles of their own choice and let them shoot it out at dawn.

[Pu-239]

Why waste perfectly good aircraft? Just give both of the idiots rifles of their own choice and let them shoot it out at dawn.

BUT... Rifles and Bullets are Expensive!!!

Let them throw sand at each other.

[Ted]

government propaganda works wonders. Say what you will about US press bias, they ARE the one of the most free presses in the world. A helluva lot freer than the Middle Eastern press, anyways.

Actually, the most free press in the world is Al-Qasam, or whatever it is. Based in Qatar, made up of ex-BBC reporters from the defunct Arab division. Israel, and most Arab states hate it because it criticises all, and the US want's it shut down for the war period because of reports it could send out from Bagdahd and environs.

[fgalkin]

Why is the oil belongs to the Iraqi people ridiculous????

It is not ridiculous. It's Bush's claim that Saddam shouldn't harm the oil fields because the oil belongs to the Iraqi people that is ridiculous.

Everyone knows that the oil is one of the reasons behind the invasion (note, I'm not saying it's the ONLY reason, merely one of the reasons). When Shrubby says: "The oil belongs to the people, so it should not be burnt", he really means: "we need those oil fields. So don't touch them if you don't want to piss us off even more". I find that hiding behind the backs of the "Iraqi people" is hypocritical, since Bush doesn't give a shit as to whether it belongs to them, or to someone else, as long as the US can access it.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Stormbringer]

It is not ridiculous. It's Bush's claim that Saddam shouldn't harm the oil fields because the oil belongs to the Iraqi people that is ridiculous.

Why? It is their oil and we won't get away with any funny business.

Everyone knows that the oil is one of the reasons behind the invasion (note, I'm not saying it's the ONLY reason, merely one of the reasons). When Shrubby says: "The oil belongs to the people, so it should not be burnt", he really means: "we need those oil fields. So don't touch them if you don't want to piss us off even more". I find that hiding behind the backs of the "Iraqi people" is hypocritical, since Bush doesn't give a shit as to whether it belongs to them, or to someone else, as long as the US can access it.

And need I remind you, the UK is a net exporter of oil so I don't see them going to war over oil. And if the US was solely interested in sucking up their oil all they would have to do is ask Saddam for it. He wouldn't object in the least.

And Bush said that because that oil and the revenues from it will go a long way towards putting Iraq back together with that and the US would rather not foot the bill entirely.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

They could just arm-wrestle....

Either way its about godamned time we moved out over there. I've only been waiting for this, fo what? 11 years? Yeah about. Tehehehe lets end the ground war at 100 hours, cause I'm smart like that! Tehehehehe! Dumbass.

[fgalkin]

It is not ridiculous. It's Bush's claim that Saddam shouldn't harm the oil fields because the oil belongs to the Iraqi people that is ridiculous.

Why? It is their oil and we won't get away with any funny business.

Everyone knows that the oil is one of the reasons behind the invasion (note, I'm not saying it's the ONLY reason, merely one of the reasons). When Shrubby says: "The oil belongs to the people, so it should not be burnt", he really means: "we need those oil fields. So don't touch them if you don't want to piss us off even more". I find that hiding behind the backs of the "Iraqi people" is hypocritical, since Bush doesn't give a shit as to whether it belongs to them, or to someone else, as long as the US can access it.

And need I remind you, the UK is a net exporter of oil so I don't see them going to war over oil. And if the US was solely interested in sucking up their oil all they would have to do is ask Saddam for it. He wouldn't object in the least.

Didn't I say that oil isn't the only reason for invading Iraq?

And Bush said that because that oil and the revenues from it will go a long way towards putting Iraq back together with that and the US would rather not foot the bill entirely.

I know that. The oil, however, will be mostly used to help our economy. That is why Bush's saying that Saddam shouldn't burn the oil because "it belongs to the people", when he means that "we want to use it" is hypocritical.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Stormbringer]

Didn't I say that oil isn't the only reason for invading Iraq?

No. But then again you keep attacking him on the oil issue.

I know that. The oil, however, will be mostly used to help our economy. That is why Bush's saying that Saddam shouldn't burn the oil because "it belongs to the people", when he means that "we want to use it" is hypocritical.

Of course we'll be buying some, if not most of that oil. But that doesn't mean we're just going to steal it. That oil'll be used to finance the rebuilding and the US doesn't want to see it destroyed.

As long as we buy it for a fair price what's the problem with us buying oil from the Iraqis?

[fgalkin]

Didn't I say that oil isn't the only reason for invading Iraq?

No. But then again you keep attacking him on the oil issue.

I know that. The oil, however, will be mostly used to help our economy. That is why Bush's saying that Saddam shouldn't burn the oil because "it belongs to the people", when he means that "we want to use it" is hypocritical.

Of course we'll be buying some, if not most of that oil. But that doesn't mean we're just going to steal it. That oil'll be used to finance the rebuilding and the US doesn't want to see it destroyed.

As long as we buy it for a fair price what's the problem with us buying oil from the Iraqis?

Once again: I don't have a problem with US buying Iraqi oil. I don't think it's the only reason for the war in Iraq. I don't think that the US is going to steal the oil. And, finally, I don't want to see Saddam destroy the oil fields.

What I do have a problem, however,is Bush. He claims that the Iraqi oild belongs to the people. Unles the the Iraqis are living under Communism, I don't see that happening. The oil is owned by whover runs the extraction operation, not by "the Iraqi people". Therefore, Bush's claim is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not trying to prove that US has no right to get the oil, or something of that sort. I'm trying to prove once again that Bush is a moron, and, in the very least, he need better speechwriters.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Frank Hipper]

Well, I'm not terribly convinced of Saddam's piloting skills either. So, to make things even, we could stick 'em both in old Sopwith Camels. The resulting fight would be much more interesting, since neither of 'em can launch a bunch of missiles at the other guy to take him down.

M.A.S.-Mutually Assured Suicide. Sopwith Camels were dangerous planes to fly, even when you were trained to fly one.

And this is such a big problem why?

It would be a waste of extremely valuable vintage aircraft. I would cry.

[Stormbringer]

What I do have a problem, however,is Bush. He claims that the Iraqi oild belongs to the people. Unles the the Iraqis are living under Communism, I don't see that happening. The oil is owned by whover runs the extraction operation, not by "the Iraqi people". Therefore, Bush's claim is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not trying to prove that US has no right to get the oil, or something of that sort. I'm trying to prove once again that Bush is a moron, and, in the very least, he need better speechwriters.

Given it'll be used to put their country back together I think it's appropriate. The wording of it could have been better but the gist of it is that the Iraqi people have a stake in what happens to that oil.

What'd you want him to say? "This oil belongs to your corporate lords and masters?"

[fgalkin]

What I do have a problem, however,is Bush. He claims that the Iraqi oild belongs to the people. Unles the the Iraqis are living under Communism, I don't see that happening. The oil is owned by whover runs the extraction operation, not by "the Iraqi people". Therefore, Bush's claim is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not trying to prove that US has no right to get the oil, or something of that sort. I'm trying to prove once again that Bush is a moron, and, in the very least, he need better speechwriters.

Given it'll be used to put their country back together I think it's appropriate. The wording of it could have been better but the gist of it is that the Iraqi people have a stake in what happens to that oil.

What'd you want him to say? "This oil belongs to your corporate lords and masters?"

Well, Bush didn't even say "the oil belongs to the people" He said the oild is "the source of wealth of the Iraqi people". Even "the oil is the property of all Iraqis, not just Saddam's regime" would be better than that.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Enlightenment]

Nimitz is steaming to Korea anyway

Globalsecurity.org lists the Nimitz CVBG as one of the forces 'alerted or enroute' to the Gulf region.

http://globalsecurity.org/military/ops/ ... -alert.htm

The Carl Vinson CVBG has been moved to Japan (replacing Kitty Hawk) and is responsible for tending the DPRK.

http://globalsecurity.org/military/ops/korea-orbat.htm

[Vympel]

I'm still in favor of a dual to settle the whole thing, but with aircraft. Each gets the best there country has to offer. So former fighter pilot Bush gets an F-22, while no formal military training Saddam gets an MiG-29.

Errr ... former fighter pilot?

Among the questionable claims in Mr. Bush's autobiography is that he tried to volunteer for service in Vietnam "to relieve active-duty pilots." He did not volunteer for service in Vietnam; in fact, he failed to report for duty in his Air National Guard Unit and skipped off to Alabama to work on a political campaign.

In his book, Mr. Bush offers a lovely-sounding (but bald-faced) lie to describe his F-102 fighter pilot experience: "I continued flying with my unit for the next several years," he writes, but in fact he was suspended from flight duty in August 1972 and didn't fly at all for the last two years of his service. (He also didn't show up for duty.)

Further along in his autobiography, Mr. Bush says his military service "gave me respect for the chain of command." Well, that is an odd way to describe ignoring two direct orders to appear for duty. He was then assigned to a disciplinary unit in Denver, and he didn't show up for that either.

[Cal Wright]

Small suggestion for everyone: I say we just ignore Ted and Enlightment. Nothing's going to convince them anyway.

Of course not. Those that generally speak out of thier ass, usually have no clue what they speak.

At least Bush is giving some leway before the shooting starts. I figured he would just say, hey, we're gearing up, then a few days from now we see the familiar image of nightvision cameras displaying mayhem in Bagdad.