Praxis

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-03-18 02:25am

Here is an interesting what if.

What if one of the Q kept the moon Praxis from blowing apart? What would Star Trek the Next Generation look like?

Tragic · Post by **Tragic** » 2003-03-18 02:32am

Probably be at war with the klingon and the feds being alot more advance. Cause alot of developments come during wars

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-03-18 03:13am

I was under the impression that the Klingon Empire was already declining steadily and that Praxis' explosion just hastened that process.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2003-03-18 04:38am

Darth Fanboy wrote:I was under the impression that the Klingon Empire was already declining steadily and that Praxis' explosion just hastened that process.

The Klingon Empire was clearly moraly declining during TNG and DS9 era till the Gowron/Duras conflict (civil war) and the small Klingon/Cardassian/Federation war, it was just a spice to ignite their warrior spirit.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-03-18 09:21pm

We might have seen the semi-military traditions of Starfleet continue into the TNG-era, as opposed to the nonexistent military tradition as seen in TNG. Might have been more like the "Yesterday's Enterprise" timeline.

The peace movement within the Klingon Empire might not have gotten the windfall it did with Praxis, but it's possible that it might come to fruition at a later date, only more slowly. I doubt the Klingons and Federation would be in a full alliance by TNG, but I'd bet they'd at least have a non-aggression treaty worked out, perhaps some trade.

The Romulans would not be as powerful as the other two major powers in this alternate timeline because the Federation will not have disarmed (at least, not to the degree it had in TNG) and the Klingons would not have been crippled by the loss of their "key energy production facility."

Without such a crippling, the Romulans may decide not to attack the Klingons at Norendra 3. Without such an attack, the Enterprise-C cannot come to the rescue and subsequently will not be lost defending the Klingons against the Romulans. It is possible that the Enterprise-C will survive long enough even to see Soveriegn class starships deployed. The E-D may be a Soveriegn.

The Federation will probably brush aside the Cardassians in the Cardassian War, with more captains being trained in a tradition slightly closer to that of a military doctrine and a stronger Starfleet not having been softened by long years of peace with the Klingons and silence from the Romulans.

Capital starships will not quarter civilians for any appreciable length of time, although long-range exploration and science vessels may carry some aboard.

Afterthought: Perhaps Praxis was the Klingons' primary antimatter production facility? It would explain how an incident in such a facility could lead to such a catastrophic explosion. (it would not explain the crazy shockwave, though)

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-03-18 11:26pm

Ent-C may have survived for quite a while but how many ships of her line are still in service by the time the GCS was introduced?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-18 11:27pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:Ent-C may have survived for quite a while but how many ships of her line are still in service by the time the GCS was introduced?

Since the Galaxies were supposed to replace them I'd wager a lot.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-03-18 11:49pm

The Excelsiors are still in service even in DS9. The Constellation class (described by Picard as underpowered and overworked) was still in service when the GCS was introduced, and I'd personally wager that it was a lesser starship than the Excelsior class. Hell, there are even Oberth class starships still around, although I'd guess that the Oberths seen in TNG are either upgraded and refitted Oberths, or newly constructed Oberths using new technologies yet retaining the basic form.

The Ambassadors are still in service when the GCSes were introduced; the doomed starship Horatio from TNG Conspiracy was an Ambassador class according to Data. The Zhukov, which IIRC transported Vulcan ambassador T'Pel to a rendezvous with the Enterprise, was also an Ambassador class.

I don't think there are a lot of Ambassadors around though; according to non-canon information there were only originally 6 Galaxy class starships slated for construction at the beginning of the project. This is presumably a result of Starfleet's limited starship construction facilities (although perhaps there's a more restrictive limit to how much antimatter fuel and dilithium crystals Starfleet can provide as well?) and although the Ambassador is not as large as a Galaxy, it is still quite large by Starfleet standards.

It is also possible that the Ambassador class was predominantly a testbed; IIRC (from non-canon sources) the Ambassador was the first class to incorporate the ability to autonomously disconnect and reconnect the saucer, as well as the first to feature the phaser arrays as opposed to the phaser banks found on the older 23rd century designs. Given the apparent lack of starships using Ambassador designs (unlike the Centaur which uses an Excelsior saucer and nacelles, and the Nebula) it seems likely to me that the Ambassador was but a stepping stone between the old designs (Constitution/Excelsior) and the new designs (Galaxy/Soveriegn).

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-03-18 11:55pm

The Excelsiors are still in service even in DS9. The Constellation class (described by Picard as underpowered and overworked) was still in service when the GCS was introduced, and I'd personally wager that it was a lesser starship than the Excelsior class. Hell, there are even Oberth class starships still around, although I'd guess that the Oberths seen in TNG are either upgraded and refitted Oberths, or newly constructed Oberths using new technologies yet retaining the basic form.

The Ambassadors are still in service when the GCSes were introduced; the doomed starship Horatio from TNG Conspiracy was an Ambassador class according to Data. The Zhukov, which IIRC transported Vulcan ambassador T'Pel to a rendezvous with the Enterprise, was also an Ambassador class.

I don't think there are a lot of Ambassadors around though; according to non-canon information there were only originally 6 Galaxy class starships slated for construction at the beginning of the project. This is presumably a result of Starfleet's limited starship construction facilities (although perhaps there's a more restrictive limit to how much antimatter fuel and dilithium crystals Starfleet can provide as well?) and although the Ambassador is not as large as a Galaxy, it is still quite large by Starfleet standards.

It is also possible that the Ambassador class was predominantly a testbed; IIRC (from non-canon sources) the Ambassador was the first class to incorporate the ability to autonomously disconnect and reconnect the saucer, as well as the first to feature the phaser arrays as opposed to the phaser banks found on the older 23rd century designs. Given the apparent lack of starships using Ambassador designs (unlike the Centaur which uses an Excelsior saucer and nacelles, and the Nebula) it seems likely to me that the Ambassador was but a stepping stone between the old designs (Constitution/Excelsior) and the new designs (Galaxy/Soveriegn).