Irbis wrote:Qui Gon stated the planet is under Hutt total control, including courts to which he threatened he would take Watto. In the whole movie canon, the only power we ever see there is Jabba.
Which in light of the rampant corruption happening in the supposedly noble and perfect Republic really need not imply an actual position of power. Having power does not always mean being in power. The Mafia can rule a country even if you don't have a Don as your president.
This is technically SW movie too, and the whole plot was about coddling the Hutts.
I think you did not read my post. Go back and read it again:
"Which means very little to nothing if we are evaluating the movies. Since the creators could not exactly expect the viewer to watch
a cartoon series that came out afterward before watching the movies."
The clone wars cartoon and related movies were published
AFTER ROTS which in turn was published after TPM. Thus it is unreasonable to think a sane director would have expected viewers to watch the cartoons first in order to understand the movie and thus we can not use said cartoons as evidence when evaluating the contents of the movies as seen.
We can use them to look at the overall expanded universe later on and acknowledge that they did see the errors of their ways and started patching the holes they made. But that's not the discussion here is it.
They are serious force enough Queen's bodyguards protest landing there is as bad as landing on TF world, with Qui Gon agreeing but arguing Hutts don't look for her yet. The fact pair of Jedi that just finished full scale battle with TF would be much more cautious here still indicates someone is a big threat to them - who?[
Given that the TF was shown to be a vague political or maybe economic (we don't rightly know) entity that for some tax related reason decided to blockade one planet in a billion I'd vaguer a guess that just from that description alone any other entity sounds like a greater threat.
Remember, we can't use EU or the movies made afterward since we could not have seen them in time for the movie in question.
Then there is the fact that TF, even after learning where Queen is, didn't simply sent several ships to blockade the planet but had to rely on unproven, outside agent - there is kind of too much of everyone being cautious about single, unimportant planet with one gangster.
I newer said it was one gangster. Jabba has been shown in the movies that came before, that is to say the original ones to be a powerful and influential crime boss that handles smuggling, has people killed on a whim and employs bounty hunters to catch people he dislikes across the galaxy. I'd wager a guess that would make anyone nervous. Especially since he seems just the kind of guy to take them prisoner and sell them to the TF.
They had their own senators, thousands of 3 km ships armed with dozens of turbolasers, and a huge private military. They were enormous force seeing supposedly "disarmed" TF was able to take on the Republic in the start of CW just with hidden assets.
Thousands? I did not see thousands of ships. At least not before well into ROTS when it is implied they are fighting a galaxy sized war. The only thing we see in TPM is a vague economic organization with its own smallish private army that for some unexplained reason has representation in the senate. Something which I might add it self looks jarring and confusing to the viewer. It's as if Microsoft was allowed to have a tank brigade and a seat on your american senate.
Can you seriously imagine someone on Earth didn't taking 20.000$ when asked for much smaller local sum? With the difference being, Republic being equal to USA if it controlled 5 out of 6 continents?
Yes I can. It's simple economics really.
In many countries it's technically illegal for vendors to trade in foreign concurrency because they can't do proper accounting later on. Usually this does not cause any issues since the tourist buyer can just pop down to the exchange office and be done in 30 seconds + line. But in some few cases, like with the EU when everything is way too close or TPM when you are a Jedi on the run and throwing huge wads of money at anything is likely to get you noticed in the wrong way it becomes a plot point.
That's one of the reasons the Euro was thought up. To kill the constant need to exchange your money when traveling and trading around the EU.
Sure he could have taken the money and given him the parts on the side. But that's might not have been legal and could have probably gotten him into trouble. On the other hand, if he suddenly comes around to a large wad of foreign currency what good will it do him? He has to exchange it if it is to be of any use to him unless he goes to a bank and opens a foreign currency account. Both of which are going to attract attention from the local IRS equivalent which will come asking questions.
There is no reason to believe he was not simply being a honest merchant or what passes for that in the outer rim.
The only countries that made paying with dollars unsafe were old Soviet zone ones, as they wanted to control internal economy. Even they didn't managed to stamp it out. Just why Qui Gon started to mount pyramidal, very risky bet on Anakin if he could simply go to currency exchange? There had to be some important reason.
Like for example the currency exchange being full of corrupt officials reporting to Jabba on the side who would just love to sink their teeth into the bonus they'd get for reporting an obvious Jedi exchanging huge wads of currency? It's certainly a plausible explanation.
Keep a low profile usually does not mesh well with exchange huge amounts of money.
He was rebellion general. In the movies, only Ackbar and (maybe) Dodonna have higher rank.
Ah, I see we misunderstood one another here. You were implying that Han was a major officer in the rebellion, which is false since he did not become one until after being liberated from Jabba. I assumed you would not make such a mistake and thought you were implying that the rebellion was a major force that could somehow protect him, an at the time lone smuggler who had helped them once. And this I find unlikely on both counts.
You mean, outside of fleet in the end of ESB
Which we saw much later, after the destruction of the first death star and after Han being captured as well.
There is no reason to believe that the rebellion which would have been crippled in the original movie just by blowing up one planet is the same one that mounted a full scale fleet battle against the empire in ROTJ. By that I mean the fact that after the events of ANH their cause would suddenly have seemed much less like a bunch of nobodies and they would have grown exponentially. A lot of people who were on the edge would have joined them swelling their ranks in ships and people.
After all, if the fleet from ROTJ was assembled back in ANH why did they not use it to attack the death star or at least help delay it for an evacuation? And why did they not use it again in ESB? In fact, even in ROTJ it's clear that the rebellion is not a huge political entity with any real power but a bunch o rebels who threw everything they had at it and got lucky.
and the fact that were rebels weak enough for random crimelord to be a threat for them, Palpatine wouldn't give a single fuck about it?
He game fucks about it for two reasons. Firstly, they would have had a lot of popular support among the general population. Secondly they make a beautiful threat from within to use as an excuse to crack down on the galaxy whilst laughing menacingly.
Think about it. Are the Afghan rebels a serious political and economic entity that does not have to fear anyone? No. Are they still a threat? Yes. Do they make great instruments to justify the "war on terror! rar!" Absolutely.
Remember A New Hope? Where Tagge and Motti argue about rebellion, saying they are well equipped and dangerous to the Imperial fleet with its thousands of Star Destroyers?
It does not take a huge army to be a threat to another huge army. Any guerrilla movement will testify to that. The Imperial fleet has to patrol the entire galaxy. A smaller but more focused force striking without warning can do a of damage.
Your argument makes no sense, either Jabba must be exceptionally powerful (in which case I am right)
No, you are not right and yes he is exceptionally powerful. I was not arguing against him having a hell of a lot of power. I merely argued that there are no indications in any of the movies that he is an actual political ruler of the planet in question as opposed to a hugely powerful and rich crime boss that always gets his way.
or rebellion so weak that Empire would have to be similarly weak to make rebels any problem - making Jabba still exceptionally powerful compared to both.
Or, Jabba being who he is might have had enough resources to make life difficult for them without having to fight them in an open fleet battle. After all we do see him handling smuggling. What happens if he starts putting out words to the effect of "Don't sell anything to the rebels any more" on the black market?
It has become clear to me in the previous days that any attempts at reconciliation and explanation with the community here has failed. I have tried my best. I really have. I pored my heart out trying. But it was all for nothing.
You win. There, I have said it.
Now there is only one thing left to do. Let us see if I can sum up the strength needed to end things once and for all.
