Clone Troopers

[His Divine Shadow]

It doesn't make sense to me since we didn't see anywhere near KT level effects, no manner of focusing could have made Kt level energy look like it did in AOTC when those missiles impacted, possible exceptions are impacts on the coreships that got armor and shields.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

Bleh, I'll take it from a pro then. You win this round, but I shall return!

*whisks away into the night*

[Durandal]

vakundok: Here's an experiment for you to try. Go get a kevlar vest. Put it on. Go out to the highway. Wait for a truck to come. Jump in front of it.

According to you, if kevlar is so good, it should be able to stop the truck dead in its tracks. Please tell us if your hypothesis holds up.

Please? Kevlar? According to me?

Yes. You're stupid enough to think that armor's chief purpose is to violate conservation of momentum, rather than protect the wearer from the effects of that momentum. Police officers can still get knocked down by a bullet even though they wear kevlar, and storm troopers get knocked over when they get beaned in the head with big fucking rocks. What is so hard to understand about this?

[vakundok]

vakundok: Here's an experiment for you to try. Go get a kevlar vest. Put it on. Go out to the highway. Wait for a truck to come. Jump in front of it.

According to you, if kevlar is so good, it should be able to stop the truck dead in its tracks. Please tell us if your hypothesis holds up.

Please? Kevlar? According to me?

Yes. You're stupid enough to think that armor's chief purpose is to violate conservation of momentum, rather than protect the wearer from the effects of that momentum. Police officers can still get knocked down by a bullet even though they wear kevlar, and storm troopers get knocked over when they get beaned in the head with big fucking rocks. What is so hard to understand about this?

Only the thing that I wrote nothing about kevlar ....
I gave up discussing when I faced with "Ewok slings knocked out stormtroopers but no, 10 mm explosive bullets canot do that.", with "Yes, we saw stormtroopers taken out by nearby explosions but no, 30 mm grenades canot produce such explosions", with "Yes, stormtroopers regularly missed within 100 metres, but no, they can take out marines from 10 kms", with "A gunship would most likely explode from a crashing to the rocks, but no, a volley of 150 mm rockets canot destroy it" and with "Yes, we saw that blaster cannons of the AT-STs were barely enough to take out a relative young tree, but stormtrooper blaster can possibly take out a present day tank".
And do you label me as stupid? Well, maybe you are right. That is all I can say.

[white_rabbit]

Torso sized holes in what is likely concrete from hand blasters

Torso sized ?

what happened to fist sized ?

rmored doors being blown to smithereens with the equivalent of a SMG

Looked more like a blasting charge of some sort rather than a blaster if you are referring to the detention area door.

Also, if blasters could do that sort of thing, why did they not blast through the door in the bridge scen in ANH, surely it would be quicker than playing with the computer.

And why would that door be stronger than the Detention area door if that was why they didnt blast it ?

second-tier canon, and we have a probot vaporizing a wampa with a fullpower blast.

From, IIRC, something described as a "laser" that didnt act like a blaster weapon at all....

And we've not even gone into the official material even.

please do....

Oh and just becase it could pierce the armor doesn't mean it'll blow the tank up, thats what you where thinking I bet.
More like a crater or hole on the armor is what one ought to expect, nothing that'll hurt the tank, not without many repeated shots.

So now its a crater ?...nice.

Are you seriously telling me a weapon that can punch through IIRC 400-600mm of chobham armour, isnt going to kill the crew via superheated gas, armour shards etc ?

never mind the possible reactive armour elements of modern tank armour, depending on which tank we are talking about.

we didn't see anywhere near KT level effects

Funny how that happened a lot in AOTC, Im sadly unimpressed by many things that are supposed to have KT effects in AOTC, those Geonosian fighters in particular.

[white_rabbit]

Yes, we saw that blaster cannons of the AT-STs were barely enough to take out a relative young tree, but stormtrooper blaster can possibly take out a present day tank

They...didnt want to KILL the small furry Ewoks and rebels....cause they were so cute and furry...so they turned the guns down!!!!


*gibbers*

[His Divine Shadow]

Torso sized ?
what happened to fist sized ?

Yeah those too against armored walls in both ANH and TESB.

Looked more like a blasting charge of some sort rather than a blaster if you are referring to the detention area door

It wasn't, you hear the blaster shot coincide with the explosion.

And there is the demonstrated ability onscreen that they can put energy sources capable of putting out hundreds of megajoules in devices smaller than blasters.

Also, if blasters could do that sort of thing, why did they not blast through the door in the bridge scen in ANH, surely it would be quicker than playing with the computer

Bridge scene? wtf are you talking about?
And some walls/doors are armored you know, and it would take time to blow through them, that was an elevator door, not a blast door, in the novellization it took many shots to melt a blast door.

And why would that door be stronger than the Detention area door if that was why they didnt blast it ?

Because they didn't need to, they found the princess and opened the door without any trouble, why waste ammo?
Plus stormtroopers melted doors with their weapons too in the novellization.

From, IIRC, something described as a "laser" that didnt act like a blaster weapon at all...

They're all called lasers, and since it's not a visual you don't have any grounds for such a statement.
And I thought it acted just fine for a blaster weapon.

Not that I can see why it would matter wheter it was a blaster or nt for that matter, the method is not as important as the amount of energy they can store, and we've seen that it's alot.

please do....

Why? The truth is here with the movies, can't get much more solid.

So now its a crater ?...nice.
Are you seriously telling me a weapon that can punch through IIRC 400-600mm of chobham armour, isnt going to kill the crew via superheated gas, armour shards etc ?

That would not be going inwards to the tank, but outwards from the impact site so unless they fire another shot into the insides of the tank they wouldn't be facing many problems.

And I believe you're reffering to the most heavily armed points on the tank, I don't think it could punch through the heaviest sections with a fullpower shot.

Funny how that happened a lot in AOTC, Im sadly unimpressed by many things that are supposed to have KT effects in AOTC, those Geonosian fighters in particular

They're not supposed to have KT effects in those situations, they'd be counter productive, if not down right dangerous.

[His Divine Shadow]

Yes, we saw that blaster cannons of the AT-STs were barely enough to take out a relative young tree, but stormtrooper blaster can possibly take out a present day tank

They...didnt want to KILL the small furry Ewoks and rebels....cause they were so cute and furry...so they turned the guns down!!!!

*gibbers*

*sigh*

We don't even know if they are AT-ST blasts, we also see other blasters that blow a very large tree(possibly a meter in diameter) in two very violently in ROTJ too.

Why is it ever single instance where a blaster doesn't do enough damage is a contradiction, there couldn't be any other reasons, not in 50 million years for it, thats utterly impossible.

[His Divine Shadow]

I gave up discussing when I faced with

Should I give up discussing when I am faced with your resistance to honest objective interpreptation of the evidence provided?

"Ewok slings knocked out stormtroopers but no, 10 mm explosive bullets canot do that."

We don't ever see a stormtrooper knocked out by any slings, just knocked of their feet, so an explosive bullet might knock a stormtrooper of his feet, but I don't even see any mentions of explosive bullets.

with "Yes, we saw stormtroopers taken out by nearby explosions but no, 30 mm grenades canot produce such explosions"

This is said where?

with "Yes, stormtroopers regularly missed within 100 metres, but no, they can take out marines from 10 kms"

Who says they can, thats just the range of the weapon, and it requires a tripod.
And we're talking about clontroopers here, not stormies, note the difference.

with "A gunship would most likely explode from a crashing to the rocks, but no, a volley of 150 mm rockets canot destroy it"

A gunship has never exploded from crashing to the rocks.

and with "Yes, we saw that blaster cannons of the AT-STs were barely enough to take out a relative young tree, but stormtrooper blaster can possibly take out a present day tank"

I dunno, you're obvoiusly not here for any rational, objective interpreptation of the evidence, so why are you here?

And do you label me as stupid? Well, maybe you are right. That is all I can say

Dishonest and deceitfull I'd say.

[His Divine Shadow]

Oh well, here's some additional stuff:
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Pg. 196: Almost inaudible in the cupboard the blasters' double whine scaled upward, an insectlike warning of an explosion that would certainly destroy most of the house.
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-Children of the Jedi

An overloading blaster could blow up a house.

Also, in the novellisation the E-Web if it had stated firing could have destroyed the falcon.

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"Rebel blaster fire lifted the first three stormtroopers into the air and flung them against the sides of the walker."
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-Imperial Sourcebook

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Pg. 133: The hatch door behind them was now a molten white, and liquid metal was running steadily from its borders.
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-Star Wars IV: A New Hope Novellization

Stormies melting a blastdoor with their blasters.

[vakundok]

Oh yes, you are right we also do not know that the ewok catapult was attacked by an AT-ST or just by some accidental blasts ...
These are from a TV show (RoTJ SE), excuse me for the quality ...
http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/Blaster06.jpg
http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/Blaster07.jpg
http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/Blaster08.jpg
http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/Blaster09.jpg
The movie suggests that it was an accidental hit from a stormtrooper blaster. Can you see the passing blast? It is nearly invisible but it is there. Can such a low damage cause a blast to loose most of its power? The smallest weapon we saw was the gun of the scout trooper.
http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/Underewoks.jpg
Why did not that stormtrooper fire at the ewoks through the tree? It had more than enough time.
http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/Blaster24.jpg
http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/Blaster38.jpg
The movie suggests that it was a targeted hit from a stormtrooper blaster. From the first shot it is clear that the blast hit Leia, not the wall next to her. And caused only minimal damage or the rebell tunic was extremely energy resistant.
http://web.axelero.hu/antibor/Brokenarmor050.jpg

The movie suggests that it was broken by kinetic impact.
I will be out for the weekend, so have a nice weekend!

[His Divine Shadow]

The movie suggests that it was an accidental hit from a stormtrooper blaster. Can you see the passing blast? It is nearly invisible but it is there. Can such a low damage cause a blast to loose most of its power? The smallest weapon we saw was the gun of the scout trooper

The blast that hit the flyer blew straight through passing nearly none of it's power to the materials in the flyer, it could have been an AT-St shot and not done more damage since it only hit a piece of what I presume to be leather of some kind.

Why did not that stormtrooper fire at the ewoks through the tree? It had more than enough time

Blasters don't penetrate that well, a fullpower blast(assuming the rifle had enough ammo, that it was not too hot from previous) might have caused the log to break in two, it'd have been more effective to fire medium blasts at/near them from another position.

The movie suggests that it was a targeted hit from a stormtrooper blaster. From the first shot it is clear that the blast hit Leia, not the wall next to her. And caused only minimal damage or the rebell tunic was extremely energy resistant.

Also take into account power settings, we've seen far more damage from weaker weapons.

The movie suggests that it was broken by kinetic impact.
I will be out for the weekend, so have a nice weekend!

Possibly, but this is a filming flub, the armor is really made of PCP, though an explanation that does not violate suspension of disbelief would be that the armor might have been defective, or that the shoulder pads are not as strongly armored as the chest and limb areas, or it could have been previous damage, maybe from shrapnel.

Here are some blaster shots:





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[Kuja]

Here are some blaster shots:

And then there's the navel trooper in ANH that takes a blaster bolt to the gut and goes flying backwards.

[His Divine Shadow]

Here are two more images:



And here is a clip of the stormie being tossed in the air:
http://www.hisdivineshadow.com/misc/med ... rs/fly.avi

Here is Solo with his gun:
http://www.hisdivineshadow.com/misc/med ... escape.avi

[phongn]

a 180 grain(one mass figure I found for a 10mm) bullet at 1000m/s would have 12kg*m/s of momentum, now due to the nature of clone armor, it would not really hurt, it's rigid, unlike kevlar, but it'd definitly knock a human down.

Wandering in for a moment, that may be referring to a ten millimeter pistol round, since AFAIK no 10mm rifle exists. The pulse rifle is likely to have much greater momentum.

[Sea Skimmer]

a 180 grain(one mass figure I found for a 10mm) bullet at 1000m/s would have 12kg*m/s of momentum, now due to the nature of clone armor, it would not really hurt, it's rigid, unlike kevlar, but it'd definitly knock a human down.

Wandering in for a moment, that may be referring to a ten millimeter pistol round, since AFAIK no 10mm rifle exists. The pulse rifle is likely to have much greater momentum.

The CAR-10 is 10mm, but I don't believe anyone ever bought it. However, A quick search turns up many pistol rounds that are 180 grains and 10mm.

[Sea Skimmer]

Not to rain on your parade but the missiles have variable yields.

Viable yields have never been suggested, but we do know they have variable payloads. There's a difference.

[vakundok]

His Divine Shadow:
Armor:
Yes, it must be a filming error. The question is whether we can throw out anything from the visual unless it contradicts itself or basic physics.
Being defective is unlikely in my opinion. The shoulder (upper arm) armor being poorer quality then limb armor is unlikely too. The movie suggests that this stormtrooper was one of the two that were kicked out of balance and fell/rolled a few metres previously. If it is true there were no visible previous damage.

You wrote that a hit from a 10mm weapon could knock a clonetrooper down even without using explosive or AP bullet. In my opinion a knocked down clonetrooper canot stop a marine from coming short range and using the grenade launcher or meele range and killing the clonetrooper with a knife.

Weapon:
In my opinion the shot that hit Leia was the normal (maybe only) power setting for the stormtrooper blaster. It created a larger than a head "explosion" most commonly seen, and possibly threw her back to the door.
(Side note: The stormtrooper in ANH was thrown up but Solo fired slightly downwards.)

In my opinion the weapon range is in favour of the clone troopers but the stormtroopers (and most likely their predecessors as well) does not seem to be able to use this range advantage. And when the marines are withing firing range they will have the advantage of the far higher rate of fire.

Air support:
The dropship has several unknown devices those can or canot be parts of a missile defense system. (As long as I know the "UD-4L 'Cheyenne'" dropship has an MDS utilizing laser beams against incoming missiles, but I do not know whether it is official or not.)
In my opinion a volley (32) of 150mm rockets is enough to penetrate the shield of a gunship and destroy it.
The beam weapons of the gunship are interesting since they were not used against the geonosian fighters. At least I was unable to see it.

[His Divine Shadow]

Being defective is unlikely in my opinion. The shoulder (upper arm) armor being poorer quality then limb armor is unlikely too. The movie suggests that this stormtrooper was one of the two that were kicked out of balance and fell/rolled a few metres previously. If it is true there were no visible previous damage.

It's also unlikely it was truly weak enough to be damaged by the fall.
It could also have been damage from a previous battle, or simple wear and tear from previous combat.

You wrote that a hit from a 10mm weapon could knock a clonetrooper down even without using explosive or AP bullet. In my opinion a knocked down clonetrooper canot stop a marine from coming short range and using the grenade launcher or meele range and killing the clonetrooper with a knife

Except his buddies around him shooting back and having superior visual/audio sensors and a functional NBC system, it'd also be a very close range fight if the marine would have enough time to get close enough.

In my opinion the shot that hit Leia was the normal (maybe only) power setting for the stormtrooper blaster.

And objective interpreptation says it's not since the majority of every last weapon impact has been far more powerfull than that, it was weaker than the average blast, hence it's likely to be a weaker than normal shot.

And you're definitly not being objective, bucko, then again, everyone in these debates have some motive to make their side win.

That it's the only setting is a dirty rotten lie, we know for a fact, utter complete, explicit fact, that they have multiple power settings, the movies alone prove this.

(Side note: The stormtrooper in ANH was thrown up but Solo fired slightly downwards.)

Filming error or some other random event due to the design of the suit made the vaporized part of the armor go in a downwards direction, lifting the trooper into the air.

In my opinion the weapon range is in favour of the clone troopers but the stormtroopers (and most likely their predecessors as well) does not seem to be able to use this range advantage

But as you said, it's only opinion, disproven by AOTC where they where used successfully at 1km> ranges.
Thats objective fact.

And when the marines are withing firing range they will have the advantage of the far higher rate of fire

Only of which lucky hits will be succesfull though, and a shot from a clone-rifle will have a small area effect, clones will see in darkness, smoke, any weather really, will not suffer from gas attacks of radioactive enviroments.
They could nervegas them without problems.

In my opinion a volley (32) of 150mm rockets is enough to penetrate the shield of a gunship and destroy it

But as you say, it's opinion, just as well you leave that at home.

The beam weapons of the gunship are interesting since they were not used against the geonosian fighters. At least I was unable to see it

No they where not used against fighters, since they have Kt level shields the dropship could only have hurt them with it's missiles.

[vakundok]

You wrote that a hit from a 10mm weapon could knock a clonetrooper down even without using explosive or AP bullet. In my opinion a knocked down clonetrooper canot stop a marine from coming short range and using the grenade launcher or meele range and killing the clonetrooper with a knife

Except his buddies around him shooting back and having superior visual/audio sensors and a functional NBC system, it'd also be a very close range fight if the marine would have enough time to get close enough.

I imagined that the other clonetroopers had the same problem since the marine was not alone too.

In my opinion the shot that hit Leia was the normal (maybe only) power setting for the stormtrooper blaster.

And objective interpreptation says it's not since the majority of every last weapon impact has been far more powerfull than that, it was weaker than the average blast, hence it's likely to be a weaker than normal shot.And you're definitly not being objective, bucko, then again, everyone in these debates have some motive to make their side win.That it's the only setting is a dirty rotten lie, we know for a fact, utter complete, explicit fact, that they have multiple power settings, the movies alone prove this.

Well I watched that avi about Solo's escape and I saw a few blasts producing the same visible effect, but it is only my opinion of course.
In this case why did that stormtrooper use a low powered shot when even a full power shot could not hurt the bunker?

In my opinion the weapon range is in favour of the clone troopers but the stormtroopers (and most likely their predecessors as well) does not seem to be able to use this range advantage

But as you said, it's only opinion, disproven by AOTC where they where used successfully at 1km> ranges.
Thats objective fact.

Really? Was it shown that a clonetrooper targeted something (farther than a kilometer) and hit it without changing scene? I canot remember. But if it is true the clonetroopers can really massacre the marines from long range.

and a shot from a clone-rifle will have a small area effect

I also missed this. Would you be so kind to show some screenshots showing definitely this?

clones will see in darkness, smoke

Well stormtroopers missed Han when he was in the center of a narrow tunnel (prison, DS1), and in TESB Artoo produced covering smoke that seemed to work against stormtroopers.

will not suffer from gas attacks of radioactive enviroments

It is true, definitely. But how many times did we see gas attacks in SW? I think it would be helpfull in capturing the Tantive IV.

In my opinion a volley (32) of 150mm rockets is enough to penetrate the shield of a gunship and destroy it

But as you say, it's opinion, just as well you leave that at home.

Sorry, I thought it was a discussion. I have no datas on the exact capability of such a rocket, not even on their payload. Why don't you say that their payload is a presently existing something and can only produce an exlosion 0.000x KT while the shield of the gunship can resist against 0.0x KT explosions?

The beam weapons of the gunship are interesting since they were not used against the geonosian fighters. At least I was unable to see it

No they where not used against fighters, since they have Kt level shields the dropship could only have hurt them with it's missiles.

And why they were not used against Dooku? They tried to stop him at all costs if I remeber well?

[His Divine Shadow]

I imagined that the other clonetroopers had the same problem since the marine was not alone too

But the clonetroopers have more punch and the scope on their weapons is tied into their hud = better accuracy and the clone-rifles can fire full-auto.

Well I watched that avi about Solo's escape and I saw a few blasts producing the same visible effect, but it is only my opinion of course

You obvoiusly don't know how to gauge the yields of shots if you feel that the vauge look/size of a blast impact is something to use, what you use if their effects on materials(like how they vaporize fist sized chunks of metal in ANH, and shatter torso sized concrete slabs), suffice to say that pretty much every shot in ANH and the rest of the prequels showed more powerfull impacts, if a shot like the ones fired on the DS in ANH had hit Leia's arm, the arm would have been blown away.

In this case why did that stormtrooper use a low powered shot when even a full power shot could not hurt the bunker?

He wasn't trying to hurt the bunker, he was trying to get a snapshot at Leia.
And this was well into the fight, lowering the power level to somewhere where a torso hit would be lethal would allow many more shots.

But as you said, it's only opinion, disproven by AOTC where they where used successfully at 1km> ranges.
Thats objective fact.

Really? Was it shown that a clonetrooper targeted something (farther than a kilometer) and hit it without changing scene? I canot remember. But if it is true the clonetroopers can really massacre the marines from long range

Remember the scene where the two armies approach each other? Remember all the fire traversing inbetween them?
We also have a clone trooper later on firing uselessly at a geonosian fighter at ranges of ~500m>.

I also missed this. Would you be so kind to show some screenshots showing definitely this?

The area effect being that they produce shrapnel, it's basic physics, if a quick energy pulse hits a rock, it will cause the rock to explode, you can also watch the clip of Solo's pistol causing explosions.
This will cause shrapnel, this can be most annoying when the enemy is firing at you and shards of rock or globs of hot metal fly around at you.
Also in the ANH prison escape scene we see a trooper(not a stormie) die from a near hit next to his head, shrapnel from the metal wall.

Sorry, no shots and no access to the movies right now.

It is true, definitely. But how many times did we see gas attacks in SW? I think it would be helpfull in capturing the Tantive IV

Yes but it could also have killed the princess, that would have bought the troopers a guided tour of the hull of the star destroyer, without helmets.

Sorry, I thought it was a discussion

I thought it was a debate, and without actual usable data, what good are opinions if there's nothing to back them up?

Why did not you say that their payload is a presently existing something and can only produce an exlosion 0.000x KT while the shield of the gunship can resist against 0.0x KT explosions?

Their payload is a maximum of 100 kiloton rockets(amongst other types of missiles of variable yields and payloads), and the shields of the gunship can withstand an unknown amount of enemy fire and pretty much a practically unlimited amount of small arms fire.

And why they were not used against Dooku? They tried to stop him at all costs if I remeber well?

The lasers? I dunno, they said they where out of missiles in the movie, in the novellisation of the movie they say "ordinance" instead, maybe they meant that their missiles and energy reserves for their beam weapons where depleted.
It makes no sense not to fire at the flyer when their energy weapons are physically capable of such a thing, it could also be battle damage.

[vakundok]

But the clonetroopers have more punch and the scope on their weapons is tied into their hud = better accuracy and the clone-rifles can fire full-auto.

It is a good feature, but:
-Is it confirmed?
-Was this (excelent) feature deleted later, since stormtroopers targeted in normal manner?
A knocked down trooper canot fire for a few seconds. In my opinion, during this time it can suffer further "knocking down" shots and remain ineffective.

You obvoiusly don't know how to gauge the yields of shots if you feel that the vauge look/size of a blast impact is something to use, what you use if their effects on materials(like how they vaporize fist sized chunks of metal in ANH, and shatter torso sized concrete slabs), suffice to say that pretty much every shot in ANH and the rest of the prequels showed more powerfull impacts, if a shot like the ones fired on the DS in ANH had hit Leia's arm, the arm would have been blown away.

You are right but do not forget that we did not see what kind of blaster weapon they used to get through the door of the elevator.

He wasn't trying to hurt the bunker, he was trying to get a snapshot at Leia.
And this was well into the fight, lowering the power level to somewhere where a torso hit would be lethal would allow many more shots.

Yes, but:
-We see only rare single shots.
-It would be more effective to use a full power shot that could clear the entrance even when it did not hit those rebells.

Remember the scene where the two armies approach each other? Remember all the fire traversing inbetween them?
We also have a clone trooper later on firing uselessly at a geonosian fighter at ranges of ~500m>.

I remember, but were those shots well targeted or only fired toward the enemy? Snipers can hit targets a kilometer away using present day rifles (farther than their official range). And as I know the official range of pulse rifle is 500 m.

The area effect being that they produce shrapnel, it's basic physics

I think a 10 mm explosive bullet also produces shrapnel, but it is not referred as an area effect weapon.

Yes but it could also have killed the princess

I meant a non-lethal gas.

without actual usable data, what good are opinions if there's nothing to back them up?

True. But with no datas the theory that a gunship can survive an attack (missile volley) from a dropship is also only an idea, isn't it?

Their payload is a maximum of 100 kiloton rockets(amongst other types of missiles of variable yields and payloads), and the shields of the gunship can withstand an unknown amount of enemy fire and pretty much a practically unlimited amount of small arms fire.

Sorry, I asked the rockets of the dropship.

And why they were not used against Dooku? They tried to stop him at all costs if I remeber well?

The lasers? I dunno, they said they where out of missiles in the movie, in the novellisation of the movie they say "ordinance" instead, maybe they meant that their missiles and energy reserves for their beam weapons where depleted.
It makes no sense not to fire at the flyer when their energy weapons are physically capable of such a thing, it could also be battle damage.

If I remeber well the gunship has at least four beam weapon, so battle damage is unlikely. Maybe it was the only occassion we could saw an energy weapon depleting during battle. (The guns of the Slave1 were said to be depleted after the single shot at Kamino, but the Slave1 was only standby mode that time.)

[Vympel]

It is a good feature, but:
-Is it confirmed?
-Was this (excelent) feature deleted later, since stormtroopers targeted in normal manner?

It's in the Episode 2 ICS. No one makes this stuff up mate.

The stormtroopers have the same setup. The inside of their helmet is quite stuffed with kit- a computer, holographic visors (the eyes are cosmetic) etc.

A knocked down trooper canot fire for a few seconds. In my opinion, during this time it can suffer further "knocking down" shots and remain ineffective.

That's a point for the clonetroopers, not the marines. One hit from a clonetrooper rifle and the marine is reduced to red paste.

Yes, but:
-We see only rare single shots.
-It would be more effective to use a full power shot that could clear the entrance even when it did not hit those rebells.

They wanted them alive: "Freeze, don't move!"

I remember, but were those shots well targeted or only fired toward the enemy? Snipers can hit targets a kilometer away using present day rifles (farther than their official range). And as I know the official range of pulse rifle is 500 m.

The tripod, stablizied range of the clonetrooper rifle is 10km. That indicates tremendous lethality for an infantry firearm- at that range, as in modern combat, massed weapons fire would've been effective- you don't sharpshoot at that range.

I think a 10 mm explosive bullet also produces shrapnel, but it is not referred as an area effect weapon.

Oh come off it. A 10mm bullet couldn't carry nearly enough explosive to have the effect that we know a blaster has. Don't be dense.

True. But with no datas the theory that a gunship can survive an attack (missile volley) from a dropship is also only an idea, isn't it?

Hardly, considering there's no technology the USMC has that remotely impresses me in Star Wars terms. Gunships are shielded. USMC loses.

[His Divine Shadow]

It is a good feature, but:
-Is it confirmed?

Yes, in the ICS or the Visual Dictionary, cannot remember which, MW's page on AOTC I believe has sources.

-Was this (excelent) feature deleted later, since stormtroopers targeted in normal manner?

I dunno really.

A knocked down trooper canot fire for a few seconds. In my opinion, during this time it can suffer further "knocking down" shots and remain ineffective.

In that time the guy who fired could also be a smouldering corpse.

You are right but do not forget that we did not see what kind of blaster weapon they used to get through the door of the elevator

But the sound of a blaster firing is heard just before/when the door explodes, likely a stormie turned his gun all the way up and fired a blast, full blast is rarely used since it can overheat the weapon with just a few shots and quickly drains the powerpacks.

Yes, but:
-We see only rare single shots.
-It would be more effective to use a full power shot that could clear the entrance even when it did not hit those rebells.

We're not sure that applies here, the bunker is made of armor after all, we dunno what effect a weapon could have on it, shrapnel might be minimal, the guy might simply not have enough ammo for such a weapon, his weapon might simply not be capable of a full power shot from extended wear and tear or other battle damage, or he might just not have time to stop and turn the dial up, he might have been spotted and shot before he could have fired even once then.
These are all very much spur of the moment scenes.

I remember, but were those shots well targeted or only fired toward the enemy? Snipers can hit targets a kilometer away using present day rifles (farther than their official range). And as I know the official range of pulse rifle is 500 m

I dunno about well targeted, they just sprayed blaster bolts in the general direction of the enemy.
Surely they could take

I meant a non-lethal gas

Do the imps even have those?
I dunno why really, maybe the ship has built in defenses against such things.

Sorry, I asked the rockets of the dropship.

No idea there.

If I remeber well the gunship has at least four beam weapon, so battle damage is unlikely. Maybe it was the only occassion we could saw an energy weapon depleting during battle. (The guns of the Slave1 were said to be depleted after the single shot at Kamino, but the Slave1 was only standby mode that time.)

Was that in the novel?

[Lord of the Farce]

Didn't they wanted Dooku alive? I seem to remember something along the lines of "if we can capture him, we can end this war right here". Perhaps the missiles (either the light anti-air ones under the wings, or the larger ones on top), if fired without being armed, could disable Dooku's speeder without the chance of burning it so badly that it would blow?