Isabel Carrasco, Spanish politician, shot dead

[Murazor]

From BBC

Spanish politician Isabel Carrasco shot dead in Leon

A top female politician in the northern Spanish city of Leon has been shot dead in public.

Isabel Carrasco, the local head of Spain's ruling Popular Party (PP), was shot several times by a young woman as she crossed a footbridge.

She was attacked while on her way to a party meeting at about 17:20 local time (15:20 GMT). A woman has been arrested, according to reports.

Spain's Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has cancelled engagements.

It has since been reported that there are two arrested women, an ex-worker and the mother of the ex-worker. Who also happen to be the wife and daughter of a head inspector of the National Police.

This could get a tad ugly.

[madd0ct0r]

ex-worker?

[Murazor]

ex-worker?

Victim was the president of the Diputacion of Leon, the institution that administrates the province of Leon. Shooter or accomplice of the shooter was an ex-worker of the Diputacion.

[Purple]

Could those of us who don't know anything about the current political situation in Spain get a little background?

[His Divine Shadow]

Yeah you got some Spainin' to do for us to get this.

[Edi]

If you go to the BBC site and read the entire article, it provides some more detail. In any case, looks like vengeance for some sort of personal reasons, possibly over the firing and the perps being the family of the police chief of a nearby town is going to ensure that the fallout from this is going to be very ugly.

[Highlord Laan]

If you go to the BBC site and read the entire article, it provides some more detail. In any case, looks like vengeance for some sort of personal reasons, possibly over the firing and the perps being the family of the police chief of a nearby town is going to ensure that the fallout from this is going to be very ugly.

*cringe*

Old style vendetta?

[Murazor]

Could those of us who don't know anything about the current political situation in Spain get a little background?

The current political situation in Spain?

Ridiculously ineffective conservative government, main opposition party doing its best to pretend it doesn't exist, minority parties on the rise and the Catalan situation, which is probably not quite as bad as has been painted overseas.

Yeah you got some Spainin' to do for us to get this.

That's a terrible pun and you should feel bad for using it.

If you go to the BBC site and read the entire article, it provides some more detail. In any case, looks like vengeance for some sort of personal reasons, possibly over the firing and the perps being the family of the police chief of a nearby town is going to ensure that the fallout from this is going to be very ugly.

*cringe*

Old style vendetta?

Seems like it, with persistent rumours about the fact that the deceased was a rather corrupt petty tyrant and fainter rumours pointing to the possibility of a romantic component to all this.

In any case, it would appear that these same women had tried to kill her five times in the past two years, but stopped at the last moment for various reasons.

[Captain Seafort]

the Catalan situation, which is probably not quite as bad as has been painted overseas.

I would hope so, but being less bad than "good chance of UDI in the next year or so" is damning with faint praise. What is going on there?

[mr friendly guy]

Isn't Catalan due to hold a referendum later this year which Spain has already declared illegal? I wonder how the rest of Europe and the US respond with their support of self determination and all that.

[Thanas]

Isn't Catalan due to hold a referendum later this year which Spain has already declared illegal? I wonder how the rest of Europe and the US respond with their support of self determination and all that.

D'uh, the solution - as Russia taught us - is to simply disguise special forces as insurgents, stir up shit, invade and then hold pre-determined referenda which "surprisingly" have the same result the invaders wanted. After all, that is true self-determination and all that.

[mr friendly guy]

Isn't Catalan due to hold a referendum later this year which Spain has already declared illegal? I wonder how the rest of Europe and the US respond with their support of self determination and all that.

D'uh, the solution - as Russia taught us - is to simply disguise special forces as insurgents, stir up shit, invade and then hold pre-determined referenda which "surprisingly" have the same result the invaders wanted. After all, that is true self-determination and all that.

Ah, so its a change from the way Europe and the US used to do it then? That is fund terrorists, er I mean freedom fighters in some separatist region. At the same time giving Nobel peace prizes to separatist leaders who advocate ethnic cleansing, er I mean mass deportations. That is until the status quo power pulls out the bigger checkbook. At which point Europe and the US look the other way.

Well I guess we will find out come November 9th when Catalonia will hold their illegal referendum. How do you say "free Catalonia" in Spanish?

[LaCroix]

How do you say "free Catalonia" in Spanish?

I believe they would appreachiate speaking their language if you support them...

"Catalunya lliure", as far as I remember.

[Thanas]

Isn't Catalan due to hold a referendum later this year which Spain has already declared illegal? I wonder how the rest of Europe and the US respond with their support of self determination and all that.

D'uh, the solution - as Russia taught us - is to simply disguise special forces as insurgents, stir up shit, invade and then hold pre-determined referenda which "surprisingly" have the same result the invaders wanted. After all, that is true self-determination and all that.

Ah, so its a change from the way Europe and the US used to do it then? That is fund terrorists, er I mean freedom fighters in some separatist region. At the same time giving Nobel peace prizes to separatist leaders who advocate ethnic cleansing, er I mean mass deportations. That is until the status quo power pulls out the bigger checkbook. At which point Europe and the US look the other way.

Indeed, the Russian way is much more quicker and effective. Why even bother with such things like human rights or trying to limit casualties? The big stick is what is successful.

[Irbis]

D'uh, the solution - as Russia taught us - is to simply disguise special forces as insurgents, stir up shit, invade and then hold pre-determined referenda which "surprisingly" have the same result the invaders wanted. After all, that is true self-determination and all that.

Silly, you have the order wrong. Spain already did the invading (last time in Franco years) and fake referendums which totally confirmed any future Catalan referendums will be totally non-valid and is now on 'underground operatives and provocateurs stirring up shit' to prove that. Just like UK did in Ireland, too. All you got right is the shitting on self-determination part

Indeed, the Russian way is much more quicker and effective. Why even bother with such things like human rights or trying to limit casualties? The big stick is what is successful.

Speaking of human rights and big stick. Remember Sorbs, living in Lusatia since 6th century? The same Sorbs that were subject to aggressive, forced germanization at sword point for hundreds of years? Who were oppressed by Nazis, then communist Germany that also forcefully settled hundreds of thousands of Germans in the area to further dilute them?

I seem to recall they asked Kohl for bringing back Lusatia as autonomous region as a small token of recognition, and all they get in reply was that they should be happy with living divided by border in superior German Saxony / Brandenburg. Oh, and a bonus side of closing Sorb schools and further resettling, purely for their good, of course. To the point that they can't even send a child to Sorb school without asking Bildungsagentur for agreement, because why would anyone want to learn anything but German? All they have left now is publishing ineffective memorandums and begging EU for help.

So, yeah, I am starting to get from where all the Western support for Ukraine continually shitting on their own citizens comes from. They are just copying superior Western policies, giving less rights to minorities than China gives to Tibet, never mind the privileges they get in Russian autonomous regions

[mr friendly guy]

How do you say "free Catalonia" in Spanish?

I believe they would appreachiate speaking their language if you support them...

"Catalunya lliure", as far as I remember.

From what I understand Catalonia is quite keen for people to learn their language since it is less widely spoken than Spanish. That being said, my "free Catalonia" comment was aimed at um certain Spanish organisations which is why speaking it in Spanish was more appropriate. I should also add that I like to know how to say "think of the irony" in Spanish as well for good measure.

[Thanas]

I seem to recall they asked Kohl for bringing back Lusatia as autonomous region as a small token of recognition, and all they get in reply was that they should be happy with living divided by border in superior German Saxony / Brandenburg. Oh, and a bonus side of closing Sorb schools and further resettling, purely for their good, of course. To the point that they can't even send a child to Sorb school without asking Bildungsagentur for agreement, because why would anyone want to learn anything but German? All they have left now is publishing ineffective memorandums and begging EU for help.

I think this is an exaggeration on the part of a few radicals. Heck, guess who the president of Saxony is. A sorb. Doesn't seem much of an oppression to me.