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Remember those days on SD.net where the peak oil people henceforth known as the POP would talk about the dangers of peak oil and how we are all totally screwed. At that time the POP made it painful sometimes to go through the N & P section not only because peak oil would somehow make its way into a vaguely related thread, but they would also take a ridiculously pessimistic view of the economy where collapses were just around the corner. It was getting to the stage where I was going blow up (and some posters did) if someone mentioned peak oil or economic collapse or Chinese property bubble bursting (its property market still hasn't yet) again in unrelated threads. Rant off.

Well with advances in technology to extract shale oil and gas from shale, it seems peak oil would be less of a problem. Unfortunately climate change would be exacerbated which is a serious downside and why we still need to invest in nuclear and green technology.

From the May edition of foreign affairs which I bought on a whim and it turns out to be the right choice.
Welcome to the Revolution
Why Shale Is the Next Shale

Despite its doubters and haters, the shale revolution in oil and gas production is here to stay. In the second half of this decade, moreover, it is likely to spread globally more quickly than most think. And all of that is, on balance, a good thing for the world.

The recent surge of U.S. oil and natural gas production has been nothing short of astonishing. For the past three years, the United States has been the world’s fastest-growing hydrocarbon producer, and the trend is not likely to stop anytime soon. U.S. natural gas production has risen by 25 percent since 2010, and the only reason it has temporarily stalled is that investments are required to facilitate further growth. Having already outstripped Russia as the world’s largest gas producer, by the end of the decade, the United States will become one of the world’s largest gas exporters, fundamentally changing pricing and trade patterns in global energy markets. U.S. oil production, meanwhile, has grown by 60 percent since 2008, climbing by three million barrels a day to more than eight million barrels a day. Within a couple of years, it will exceed its old record level of almost ten million barrels a day as the United States overtakes Russia and Saudi Arabia and becomes the world’s largest oil producer. And U.S. production of natural gas liquids, such as propane and butane, has already grown by one million barrels per day and should grow by another million soon.

What is unfolding in reaction is nothing less than a paradigm shift in thinking about hydrocarbons. A decade ago, there was a near-global consensus that U.S. (and, for that matter, non-OPEC) production was in inexorable decline. Today, most serious analysts are confident that it will continue to grow. The growth is occurring, to boot, at a time when U.S. oil consumption is falling. (Forget peak oil production; given a combination of efficiency gains, environmental concerns, and substitution by natural gas, what is foreseeable is peak oil demand.) And to cap things off, the costs of finding and producing oil and gas in shale and tight rock formations are steadily going down and will drop even more in the years to come.

The evidence from what has been happening is now overwhelming. Efficiency gains in the shale sector have been large and accelerating and are now hovering at around 25 percent per year, meaning that increases in capital expenditures are triggering even more potential production growth. It is clear that vast amounts of hydrocarbons have migrated from their original source rock and become trapped in shale and tight rock, and the extent of these rock formations, like the extent of the original source rock, is enormous -- containing resources far in excess of total global conventional proven oil reserves, which are 1.5 trillion barrels. And there are already signs that the technology involved in extracting these resources is transferable outside the United States, so that its international spread is inevitable.

In short, it now looks as though the first few decades of the twenty-first century will see an extension of the trend that has persisted for the past few millennia: the availability of plentiful energy at ever-lower cost and with ever-greater efficiency, enabling major advances in global economic growth.

WHY THE PAST IS PROLOGUE

The shale revolution has been very much a “made in America” phenomenon. In no other country can landowners also own mineral rights. In only a few other countries (such as Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom) is there a tradition of an energy sector featuring many independent entrepreneurial companies, as opposed to a few major companies or national champions. And in still fewer countries are there capital markets able and willing to support financially risky exploration and production.

This powerful combination of indigenous factors will continue to drive U.S. efforts. A further 30 percent increase in U.S. natural gas production is plausible before 2020, and from then on, it should be possible to maintain a constant or even higher level of production for decades to come. As for oil, given the research and development now under way, it is likely that U.S. production could rise to 12 million barrels per day or more in a few years and be sustained there for a long time. (And that figure does not include additional potential output from deep-water drilling, which is also seeing a renaissance in investment.)

Two factors, meanwhile, should bring prices down for a long time to come. The first is declining production costs, a consequence of efficiency gains from the application of new and growing technologies. And the second is the spread of shale gas and tight oil production globally. Together, these suggest a sustainable price of around $5.50 per thousand cubic feet for natural gas in the United States and a trading range of $70–$90 per barrel for oil globally by the end of this decade.

These trends will provide a significant boost to the U.S. economy. Households could save close to $30 billion annually in electricity costs by 2020, compared to the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s current forecast. Gasoline costs could fall from an average of five percent to three percent of real disposable personal income. The price of gasoline could drop by 30 percent, increasing annual disposable income by $750, on average, per driving household. The oil and gas boom could add about 2.8 percent in cumulative GDP growth by 2020 and bolster employment by some three million jobs.

Beyond the United States, the spread of shale gas and tight oil exploitation should have geopolitically profound implications. There is no longer any doubt about the sheer abundance of this new accessible resource base, and that recognition is leading many governments to accelerate the delineation and development of commercially available resources. Countries’ motivations are diverse and clear. For Saudi Arabia, which is already developing its first power plant using indigenous shale gas, the exploitation of its shale resources can free up more oil for exports, increasing revenues for the country as a whole. For Russia, with an estimated 75 billion barrels of recoverable tight oil (50 percent more than the United States), production growth spells more government revenue. And for a host of other countries, the motivations range from reducing dependence on imports to increasing export earnings to enabling domestic economic development.

RISKY BUSINESS?

Skeptics point to three problems that could lead the fruits of the revolution to be left to wither on the vine: environmental regulation, declining rates of production, and drilling economics. But none is likely to be catastrophic.

Hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking” -- the process of injecting sand, water, and chemicals into shale rocks to crack them open and release the hydrocarbons trapped inside -- poses potential environmental risks, such as the draining or polluting of underground aquifers, the spurring of seismic activity, and the spilling of waste products during their aboveground transport. All these risks can be mitigated, and they are in fact being addressed in the industry’s evolving set of best practices. But that message needs to be delivered more clearly, and best practices need to be implemented across the board, in order to head off local bans or restrictive regulation that would slow the revolution’s spread or minimize its impact.

As for declining rates of production, fracking creates a surge in production at the beginning of a well’s operation and a rapid drop later on, and critics argue that this means that the revolution’s purported gains will be illusory. But there are two good reasons to think that high production will continue for decades rather than years. First, the accumulation of fracked wells with a long tail of production is building up a durable base of flows that will continue over time, and second, the economics of drilling work in favor of drilling at a high and sustained rate of production.

Finally, some criticize the economics of fracking, but these concerns have been exaggerated. It is true that through 2013, the upstream sector of the U.S. oil and gas industry has been massively cash-flow negative. In 2012, for example, the industry spent about $60 billion more than it earned, and some analysts believe that such trends will continue. But the costs were driven by the need to acquire land for exploration and to pursue unproductive drilling in order to hold the acreage. Now that the land-grab days are almost over, the industry’s cash flow should be increasingly positive.

It is also true that traditional finding and development costs indicate that natural gas prices need to be above $4 per thousand cubic feet and oil prices above $70 per barrel for the economics of drilling to work -- which suggests that abundant production might drive prices down below what is profitable. But as demand grows for natural gas -- for industry, residential and commercial space heating, the export market, power generation, and transportation -- prices should rise to a level that can sustain increased drilling: the $5–$6 range, which is about where prices were this past winter. Efficiency gains stemming from new technology, meanwhile, are driving down break-even drilling costs. In the oil sector, most drilling now brings an adequate return on investment at prices below $50 per barrel, and within a few years, that level could be under $40 per barrel.

THINK GLOBALLY

Since shale resources are found around the globe, many countries are trying to duplicate the United States’ success in the sector, and it is likely that some, and perhaps many, will succeed. U.S. recoverable shale resources constitute only about 15 percent of the global total, and so if the true extent and duration of even the U.S. windfall are not yet measurable, the same applies even more so for the rest of the world. Many countries are already taking early steps to develop their shale resources, and in several, the results look promising. It is highly likely that Australia, China, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and the United Kingdom will see meaningful production before the end of this decade. As a result, global trade in energy will be dramatically disrupted.

A few years ago, hydrocarbon exports from the United States were negligible. But by the start of 2013, oil, natural gas, and petrochemicals had become the single largest category of U.S. exports, surpassing agricultural products, transportation equipment, and capital goods. The shift in the U.S. trade balance for petroleum products has been stunning. In 2008, the United States was a net importer of petroleum products, taking in about two million barrels per day; by the end of 2013, it was a net exporter, with an outflow of more than two million barrels per day. By the end of 2014, the United States should overtake Russia as the largest exporter of diesel, jet fuel, and other energy products, and by 2015, it should overtake Saudi Arabia as the largest exporter of petrochemical feedstocks. The U.S. trade balance for oil, which in 2011 was −$354 billion, should flip to +$5 billion by 2020.

By then, the United States will be a net exporter of natural gas, on a scale potentially rivaling both Qatar and Russia, and the consequences will be enormous. The U.S. gas trade balance should shift from −$8 billion in 2013 to +$14 billion by 2020. U.S. pipeline exports to Mexico and eastern Canada are likely to grow by 400 percent, to eight billion cubic feet per day, by 2018, and perhaps to ten billion by 2020. U.S. exports of liquefied natural gas (LNG) look likely to reach nine billion cubic feet per day by 2020.

Sheer volume is important, but not as much as two other factors: the pricing basis and the amount of natural gas that can be sold in a spot market. Most LNG trade links the price of natural gas to the price of oil. But the shale gas revolution has delinked these two prices in the United States, where the traditional 7:1 ratio between oil and gas prices has exploded to more than 20:1. That makes LNG exports from the United States competitive with LNG exports from Qatar or Russia, eroding the oil link in LNG pricing. What’s more, traditional LNG contracts are tied to specific destinations and prohibit trading. U.S. LNG (and likely also new LNG from Australia and Canada) will not come with anticompetitive trade restrictions, and so a spot market should emerge quickly. And U.S. LNG exports to Europe should erode the Russian state oil company Gazprom’s pricing hold on the continent, just as they should bring down prices of natural gas around the world.

In the geopolitics of energy, there are always winners and losers. OPEC will be among the latter, as the United States moves from having had a net hydrocarbon trade deficit of some nine million barrels per day in 2007, to having one of under six million barrels today, to enjoying a net positive position by 2020. Lost market share and lower prices could pose a devastating challenge to oil producers dependent on exports for government revenue. Growing populations and declining per capita incomes are already playing a central role in triggering domestic upheaval in Iraq, Libya, Nigeria, and Venezuela, and in that regard, the years ahead do not look promising for those countries.

At the same time, the U.S. economy might actually start approaching energy independence. And the shale revolution should also lead to the prevalence of market forces in international energy pricing, putting an end to OPEC’s 40-year dominance, during which producers were able to band together to raise prices well above production costs, with negative consequences for the world economy. When it comes to oil and natural gas, we now know that though much is taken, much abides -- and the shale revolution is only just getting started.
This raises some interesting geopolitical considerations for discussion

1. Putin's strategy of energy blackmail of Europe will run into problems as the US will be able to export again. This might not happen for another 10 years, but certainly worth watching.

2. Russia's strength of exporting hydrocarbons will be seriously threaten. It is already moving to diversify from Europe to other sources cough China cough. However China is thought to have a larger shale reserve than the US, and are moving slowly in conjunction with US companies to develop it. Who will they sell to? India perhaps.

3. What would be the impact of increasing US energy exports on US manufacturing. According the foreign affairs (I think its the next article) the US can produce energy cheaply thus helping their manufacturing for now. What they haven't considered is if the US starts exporting, it runs into a wee problem called Dutch Disease, where increase demand for the currency of the exporter drives it up in value, and hence affects its ability to manufacture cheaply.

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1. Putin's strategy of energy blackmail of Europe will run into problems as the US will be able to export again. This might not happen for another 10 years, but certainly worth watching.
Never a realistic threat outside the popular press... the USSR never risked interfering with the gas supply, Putin is highly unlikely to either... even a case where Ukraine cuts the pipes or Russia has to because Ukraine still won't pay its bills won't cause too much of an issue as the NordStream pipe was built more or less explicitly for this purpose and it currently is standing at a very low level of usage. Russia needs European cash more than Europe needs the gas, although it would obviously cause price spikes simply from market fear. Also shipping gas to Europe will not be able to replace Russian gas exports due to the distances involved and limited capacity of ships... if the USA ever approves exporting its gas - US politicians are quite rightly trying to keep it for themselves to depress their energy prices to fuel economic recovery.

Home extracted shale gas is not going to impact the EU markets in any meaningful way - it will if anything keep prices stable as dwindling conventional reserves need to be replaced by shale extraction but it definitely is not going to result in a price drop as seen by the USA.

Also almost all the export infrastructure that would be built in the US would be done to export West towards Asia where prices are easily double what you would get in Europe thanks to the Japanese nuclear shut-down and Chinese demand.
However China is thought to have a larger shale reserve than the US
It does not however have the water to spare extracting it... America might not for too long either. Also Chine seems quite happy building coal and nuclear
What they haven't considered is if the US starts exporting, it runs into a wee problem called Dutch Disease, where increase demand for the currency of the exporter drives it up in value, and hence affects its ability to manufacture cheaply.
I can't imagine American gas exports ever getting high enough to cause that level of a problem - the shear quantity required makes it difficult to export without direct pipeline connections. Also America is much more resistant to Dutch disease I'd imagine because of its overall economic size and its place as global currency of reserve.

Overall Shale is going to help the US pretend its got an economic recovery going for the short term - mainly because the US doesn't give a shit abut the environment and is prepared to let companies use vast amounts of its water supply extracting the gas/oil at questionable long term benefit. Most of the rest of the world lack this ability as seen when the shale industry abandoned extraction plans in Poland. I highly doubt Shale is sustainable in the medium to long term at the current extraction prices but it does serve the purpose of allowing theoretical reserves to be used when planning a longer term fossil fuel strategy which most countries are doing.
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The US will never be able to export enough oil and gas to make any real dent in Russian exports, at all. US exports equaling 10% of Russia's will be amazing. Its not like Russia doesn't have shitloads of places it can frack too, even if it didn't have such massive reserves of conventional deposits. Fracking put back the US needing massive alternative sources of energy by decades, enough to develop a lot of other technology at its own pace, it doesn't change the world for anyone except the Iranians. They got hit with an oil embargo because the US pumped out just enough oil to make it possible, but even that's had serious limitations, and as far as things are going to go.

Also the entire tone of this article is of pro investment propaganda, and makes it a poor choice of news and not worth reading. I'd go further and say any article that uses the term 'shale revolution' as if its a patented catch phrase should be ignored because the author is likely either in the pocket of the oil and gas industry and trying to steer you into those stocks.
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My wife works in the gas industry. Russian gas is notoriously expensive. But when I asked her about gas shipping from the US (or Iran - there are voices in Austria calling for a stop of that embargo and to take up gas trade, again), she said it would probably be less expensive to simply pay the Russians twice the current price than to import it from the US. And that was not even considering the number of new ships needed to make this happen.

Now if the Chinese were to start extraction (who are able, politically & economically, to extract it as 'ruthlessly' as done in the US), it would simply cause them to import less Russian gas, or they would increase their gas usage across industries to make use of it. They don't strike me the kind to export a ressource that they could need (see rare earth metals...).

If they were to cut down on Russian imports (which isn't a 'on the whim' thing anyway, but a process that would take years), it would definitely make prices drop in Europe.
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Yeah you really can't beat an existing pipeline compared to building giant chilling plants and a giant thermos bottles by the dozens. Meanwhile in the US political hell is preventing most of the planned gas export terminals from being built, as well as Homeland Insecurity hating every proposed location. I think they just formally gave up on one of the two terminals in the Philadelphia area as a project and the other has had no work done. Many gas wells in the state are not even operational for lack of infrastructure to get it out of the state. If were having these problems on the export terminals, it can't help but be worse trying to build import terminals on the crowded north European coastline.
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Darth Tanner wrote: It does not however have the water to spare extracting it... America might not for too long either. Also Chine seems quite happy building coal and nuclear
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Well they are instituting water conservation measures, and massive water diversion projects etc. They might be able to extract some, but I am more of a nuclear fan boy myself. Presumably if you use more nuclear, you will use less water mining for coal.
LaCroix wrote: Now if the Chinese were to start extraction (who are able, politically & economically, to extract it as 'ruthlessly' as done in the US), it would simply cause them to import less Russian gas, or they would increase their gas usage across industries to make use of it. They don't strike me the kind to export a ressource that they could need (see rare earth metals...).
I was actually referring to China buying less to Russia, and hence asking who would Russia sell to then? That also assumed the US would also sell to Europe based on the article, which seem less likely now. Reading back to it, my statement could imply that I asked who China was going to sell to.

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In any event, it seems like the advances in shale extraction technology will allow the big consumers of hydrocarbons to delay peak oil a bit. The US because of its increase production, China because it can buy from Russia (assuming it can only extract small amounts of shale energy because of various limitations), Europe for the same reason. The geopolitical implications the author talks about might not eventuate.
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Not this again...
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... e#p3731304

Also, I like how there's no sources for their claimed reserve numbers. Such as this.
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_enr_shale ... _nus_a.htm
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J's link pretty much shows the truth aboutwhat was claimed about shale oil - A quick spike, and then it bottoms out. The know reserves werer already dropping by 2012, with barely any new findings. That business seems still-born, they are just trying to sell the carcass...
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I am no expert, but I am persistent when I want to be. So I followed J's link and had a look.

First LaCroix the link was referring to shale gas, not shale oil. Secondly if you read from the same website in more detail here they actually explain the fall in gas reserves. Hint its not because the wells are running dry. Its because the reserves are defined as what can be extracted at current economic conditions which presumably means it has to be profitable. So if the price of gas falls, the amount of gas which can be extracted profitably falls. Some sources can still be extracted profitably, some can't. If the price rises to pre 2012 levels then the reserves will increase again. To wit
Proved reserves are volumes of oil and natural gas that geological and engineering data demonstrate with reasonable certainty to be recoverable in future years from known reservoirs under existing economic and operating conditions. In 2012, oil and gas exploration and production companies operating in the United States added 4.5 billion barrels of crude oil and lease condensate proved reserves, an increase of 15.4% from 2011—the largest annual increase since 1970.1 U.S. proved reserves of crude oil and lease condensate have now risen for four consecutive years. Also, proved reserves of oil exceeded 33.4 billion barrels for the first time since 1976.

Proved reserves of U.S. wet natural gas2 decreased 7.5% (a loss of 26 trillion cubic feet) to 323 trillion cubic feet in 2012(Table 1). Total discoveries of oil and natural gas proved reserves both exceeded U.S. production in 2012, with the largest discoveries occurring onshore within the Lower 48 states. The 2012 decline interrupted a 14-year trend of consecutive increases in natural gas proved reserves (Figure 1).
And the price drop bit
U.S. proved reserves of natural gas declined in 2012 because of low natural gas prices. The average reference price of natural gas companies use to estimate reserves declined 34% between 2011 and 2012. Natural gas prices began to decline in the latter part of 2011 and continued to drop through spring 2012. This prompted large downward net revisions of 45.6 trillion cubic feet to the proved reserves of existing gas fields — enough to cancel out almost all the gains from total discoveries in 2012.
Now unless there is some method unknown to science which causes reserves of natural resources to magically drop because of lower prices, I am going to say the wells running dry bit isn't happening. The drop in reserves is merely that they only consider reserves to be what can be extracted economically.
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mr friendly guy wrote:I am no expert, but I am persistent when I want to be. So I followed J's link and had a look.
First LaCroix the link was referring to shale gas, not shale oil.
I meant gas - I'm currently having quite a bad hayfever day, so I blame that.

I was talking about shale gas reserves, which are stated in billion cubic feet, not in dollars, so I don't think we are talking about the same data.
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_enr_shale ... _nus_a.htm

Proved Reserves as of Dec. 31
2007 23,304
2008 34,428
2009 60,644
2010 97,449
2011 131,616
2012 129,396

Considering the increase during the prior years, a sudden stall&slight loss is pretty indicative.
But his data shows that they actually aren't finding as much new stuff as they used to.

New Field Discoveries (2009-2012) : 868 - 557 - 232 - 353
New Reservoir Discoveries in Old Fields (2009-2012) : 1,613 - 1,149 - 699 - 128

So, the data seems to point towards the conclusion that they already found most of it, and the shale gas rush years are already over.

A sharp increase when they started shale extraction, and now it's plateauing...
Just look at revisions - for 2012, they were constantly revisioning the number down, while all the prior years, the numbers were revisioned up, mostly...

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You misunderstand. We are talking about the same figures. The source J linked to just defined reserves not as "amount in the ground" but "amount in the ground that can be extracted profitably". The figures are given in cubic feet.

Its just that if gas prices drop then you can't extract as much of it profitably, thus the "amount in the ground that can be extracted profitably" drops. They are pretty explicit about how they define things. From my link.
Revisions occur primarily when operators change their estimates of what they will be able to produce from the properties they operate in response to changing prices or improvements in technology. Higher prices typically increase estimates (positive revisions) as operators consider a broader portion of the resource base economically producible, or proved. Lower prices, on the other hand, generally reduce estimates (negative revisions) as the economically producible base diminishes.
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Too late to edit.

The other thing to note is the extensions listed in the table

From 2009 - 2012 -> 22,332 29,081 32,764 32,359

My link appears to define extensions as increases in what can be extracted in existing fields. So even if most fields are discovered, for now they can still extract more from the fields than previously thought. Or to put it another way, the field is bigger than previously thought.
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But then, the revision for 2012 basically removes 2/3 of the extensions and new sources found in 2012. So we are at a point where technology is already stretching thin to find new ressources. I'm willing to concede that part on the notion of that it is kind of fuzzy how much of this is due to "simply not economical" and how much is "actually not there, but we claim it's not economical".

But the numbers of cubic feet in new fields and new reservouirs in old fields remain. There is a quite noteable trend (assuming the adjustment was the same as for extensions). And even without that trend, the numbers of cubic feed added due to new discoveries are minimal in comparison to extension.

Most shale gas reservoirs were already known for a long time, but simply ignored in search for better fields - there isn't much (big stuff) out there that isn't found, yet.
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1. Well they do predict in my link that the reserves will increase in 2013 (once they get the figures in) because of increase in natural gas prices.

So lets wait and see. If most of it is "not there, but just claimed its not economical" we would expect no significant revision.

2. I am also not sure why it makes a difference in total supply in terms of whether increase gas comes from a) new fields discovered vs b) existing fields turn out bigger than we initially thought.

Sure it will make a difference to the companies owning the fields vs companies looking for new fields, but to paraphrase, gas supply is gas supply.
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mr friendly guy wrote:Well with advances in technology to extract shale oil and gas from shale, it seems peak oil would be less of a problem. Unfortunately climate change would be exacerbated which is a serious downside and why we still need to invest in nuclear and green technology.
The issue was never if we still have oil. We can synthesize it if need be. The issue was if extraction of oil is cheaper than energy contained in it, and we're quickly moving to parity.

Then there is pesky 'trillions of dollars in damages caused by climate change' problem.
And all of that is, on balance, a good thing for the world.
[citation needed]
In short, it now looks as though the first few decades of the twenty-first century will see an extension of the trend that has persisted for the past few millennia: the availability of plentiful energy at ever-lower cost and with ever-greater efficiency, enabling major advances in global economic growth.
[citation needed]

This claim is nonsense when you think about it. Cheap energy kills efficiency because then more expensive, efficient technologies become pointless and are driven out of the market.
Two factors, meanwhile, should bring prices down for a long time to come. The first is declining production costs, a consequence of efficiency gains from the application of new and growing technologies. And the second is the spread of shale gas and tight oil production globally. Together, these suggest a sustainable price of around $5.50 per thousand cubic feet for natural gas in the United States and a trading range of $70–$90 per barrel for oil globally by the end of this decade.
[citation needed]

You could make identical claim about conventional gas/oil, and somehow price isn't going down, despite more advanced technologies and new sources.
These trends will provide a significant boost to the U.S. economy. Households could save close to $30 billion annually in electricity costs by 2020, compared to the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s current forecast. Gasoline costs could fall from an average of five percent to three percent of real disposable personal income. The price of gasoline could drop by 30 percent, increasing annual disposable income by $750, on average, per driving household. The oil and gas boom could add about 2.8 percent in cumulative GDP growth by 2020 and bolster employment by some three million jobs.
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Do I hear "it will trickle down"? Why, it's not like oil and gas companies are happy to jerk price up every time there is reason (or even when there is not), while happy to pocket the difference if it falls? Right? Recent record profits are just a fluke, and consumers not noticing any price cuts is just ungratefulness?
Hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking” -- the process of injecting sand, water, and chemicals into shale rocks to crack them open and release the hydrocarbons trapped inside -- poses potential environmental risks, such as the draining or polluting of underground aquifers, the spurring of seismic activity, and the spilling of waste products during their aboveground transport. All these risks can be mitigated, and they are in fact being addressed in the industry’s evolving set of best practices. But that message needs to be delivered more clearly, and best practices need to be implemented across the board, in order to head off local bans or restrictive regulation that would slow the revolution’s spread or minimize its impact.
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Like 'best practices' enacted on Deepwater Horizon?
As for declining rates of production, fracking creates a surge in production at the beginning of a well’s operation and a rapid drop later on, and critics argue that this means that the revolution’s purported gains will be illusory. But there are two good reasons to think that high production will continue for decades rather than years. First, the accumulation of fracked wells with a long tail of production is building up a durable base of flows that will continue over time, and second, the economics of drilling work in favor of drilling at a high and sustained rate of production.
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Except for the fact their tail isn't that long and new wells are becoming more and more expensive as easiest sources dry up?
And U.S. LNG exports to Europe should erode the Russian state oil company Gazprom’s pricing hold on the continent, just as they should bring down prices of natural gas around the world.
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Does this guy even have any idea to which countries Gazprom exports? Hint - most of them don't have gas capable ports.
1. Putin's strategy of energy blackmail of Europe will run into problems as the US will be able to export again. This might not happen for another 10 years, but certainly worth watching.
What blackmail? When both sides need something, you can hardly call it blackmail. The countries where you can say something approaching blackmail exists are these that need Russia and no amount of exports will change that.
2. Russia's strength of exporting hydrocarbons will be seriously threaten. It is already moving to diversify from Europe to other sources cough China cough. However China is thought to have a larger shale reserve than the US, and are moving slowly in conjunction with US companies to develop it. Who will they sell to? India perhaps.
As South America and Africa build developing economies, they will need more and more energy. Same for South Asia and irresponsible parties that will try to turn off nuclear power. All will need energy in some form. The only thing that can really threaten Russian exports is global gas usage ban.
3. What would be the impact of increasing US energy exports on US manufacturing. According the foreign affairs (I think its the next article) the US can produce energy cheaply thus helping their manufacturing for now. What they haven't considered is if the US starts exporting, it runs into a wee problem called Dutch Disease, where increase demand for the currency of the exporter drives it up in value, and hence affects its ability to manufacture cheaply.
Small resurgence combined with big pollution, until companies seeking profit don't build pipeline to Mexico to outsource jobs again? :wink:
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Knowing humanity I doubt we will run of out energy ever. We will burn every gram of coal, gas and oil. Some will use every gram of fissile material. This seems more than enough for technological society to continue operating for a couple of centuries. By that time I expect some entity has converted the entire solar system into computronium :)
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Relevant excerpts, from here:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fracke ... le/5326504
In a sobering report, Arthur Berman, a veteran petroleum geologist specialized in well assessment, using existing well extraction data for major shale gas regions in the US since the boom started, reached sobering conclusions. His findings point to a new Ponzi scheme which well might play out in a colossal gas bust over the next months or at best, the next two or three years. Shale gas is anything but the “energy revolution” that will give US consumers or the world gas for 100 years as President Obama was told.
Where then did someone get the number to tell the US President that America had 100 years of gas supply? Here is where lies, damn lies and statistics play a crucial role. The US does not have 100 years of natural gas supply from shale or unconventional sources. That number came from a deliberate blurring by someone of the fundamental difference between what in oil and gas is termed resources and what is called reserves.

A gas or oil resource is the totality of the gas or oil originally existing on or within the earth’s crust in naturally occurring accumulations, including discovered and undiscovered, recoverable and unrecoverable. It is the total estimate, irrespective of whether the gas or oil is commercially recoverable. It’s also the least interesting number for extraction.

On the other hand “recoverable” oil or gas refers to the estimated volume commercially extractable with a specific technically feasible recovery project, a drilling plan, fracking program and the like. The industry breaks the resources into three categories: reserves, which are discovered and commercially recoverable; contingent resources, which are discovered and potentially recoverable but sub-commercial or non-economic in today’s cost-benefit regime; and prospective resources, which are undiscovered and only potentially recoverable.[20]

The Potential Gas Committee (PGC), the standard for US gas resource assessments, uses three categories of technically recoverable gas resources, including shale gas: probable, possible and speculative.

According to careful examination of the numbers it is clear that the President, his advisers and others have taken the PGC’s latest total of all three categories, or 2,170 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of gas—probable, possible and purely speculative—and divided by the 2010 annual consumption of 24 Tcf. To get a number between 90 and 100 years of gas. What is conveniently left unsaid is that most of that total resource is in accumulations too small to be produced at any price, inaccessible to drilling, or is too deep to recover economically.[21]

Arthur Berman in another analysis points out that if we use more conservative and realistic assumptions such as the PGC does in its detailed assessment, more relevant is the Committee’s probable mean resources value of 550 (Tcf) of gas. In turn, if we estimate, also conservatively and realistically based on experience, that about half of this resource actually becomes a reserve (225 Tcf), then the US has approximately 11.5 years of potential future gas supply at present consumption rates.

If we include proved reserves of 273 Tcf, there is an additional 11.5 years of supply for a total of almost 23 years. It is worth noting that proved reserves include proved undeveloped reserves which may or may not be produced depending on economics, so even 23 years of supply is tenuous. If consumption increases, this supply will be exhausted in less than 23 years.[22]

There are also widely differing estimates within the US Government over shale gas recoverable resources. The US Department of Energy EIA uses a very generous calculation for shale gas average recovery efficiency of 13% versus other conservative estimates of about half that or 7% in contrast to recovery efficiencies of 75-80% for conventional gas fields. The generously high recovery efficiency values used for EIA calculations allows the EIA to project an estimate of 482 tcf of recoverable gas for the US. In August 2011, the Interior Department’s US Geological Survey (USGS) released a far more sober estimate for the large shale plays in Pennsylvania and New York called Marcellus Shale. The USGS estimated there are about 84 trillion cubic feet of technically-recoverable natural gas under the Marcellus Shale. Previous estimates from the Energy Information Administration put the figures at 410 trillion cubic feet.[23]

Shale gas plays show unusually high field decline rates with very steep trends, a combination giving low recovery efficiencies. [24]
A note on terminology. Technically recoverable refers to resources which can be produced with existing technology regardless of price. In other words, it's counted if we can recover it with existing methods even if it isn't economically viable.

There's also more fun stuff to read here on how various parties come up with estimates.
http://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/p ... ources.pdf
There's also an interesting part in the conclusion:
In the absence of drilling data, analysts also often rely upon
analogues to estimate resource potential. Historical production
data has however shown that shale productivity can vary widely
both amongst and between different shale plays. Therefore, if the
extrapolation of production experience method is used rather than
performing a bottom up analysis of geological parameters, any such
assessments should delineate the shale as much as possible, indi-
cate why certain analogues have been chosen for particular areas,
and employ a range of analogues to demonstrate the uncertainty in
estimates derived. As noted above, studies relying upon simple
analogue extrapolation are likely best viewed as providing pre-
liminary estimates of resource potential.

Given these multiple limitations, it is essential to address and
report on the level of uncertainty in the estimates whichever
approach is adopted. The failure of the majority of studies to do this
is a major limitation of the existing literature. To date, only the
USGS has consistently handled uncertainty in a rigorous manner,
but there is no reason why other studies could not do so.
The
sensitivity of these methodologies could also be explicitly
acknowledged in published estimates through sensitivity analysis
of the model assumptions. Such analyses are common in the energy
modelling literature and would provide an assessment of the
impact on resource estimates to changes in the model assumptions.

The large and continuing uncertainty in shale gas resource es-
timates has important implications for the future of the shale gas
industry and national energy policy. E
Note that the USGS generally provides the most conservative estimates of both resources in place and recoverable resources.
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At best shale then lasts 2 decades and certainly gives us more time if we take the article J linked at face value. I can certainly accept that challenging Gazprom might be optimistic, but buying us more time to use alternate sources of energy like nuclear seems more realistic.

But you know what's funny. I can be a bit of a persistent douchebag when I want to be. So I was naturally curious about the author of J's linked article, a F. William Engdahl. You see the article had lots of sensationalism, and I don't mean SD.net style sarcasm. Not just the usual use of the hyperbole ponzi scheme, but they also show a picture from HBO's Gasland showing tap water going up in flames as part of the dangers of fracking. No I am not kidding, look on the link. Needless to say, that type of thing just sets my bullshit meter off. Yeah I really to turn that to a lower setting.

His wiki page has a few interesting things about him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._William_Engdahl

Firstly he is a climate change denier and doesn't actually believe in peak oil. He sort of thinks climate change is just a method of justify population control. Now I hear people saying being a climate change denier doesn't necessarily make him bad in other things. Fair enough, although I want people to remember this population control bit. But then I had a look at some of his other greatest hits in areas of science where I am a wee bit more knowledgeable. Particularly this awesome book by him titled Seeds of Destruction.

A PDF copy can be downloaded here. Since pirating is bad I advised you delete it after reading it. It will just be like reading in a library. Anyway this book smacks of anti GM rant.

The relevant chapter is 12, although I suspect if I look at it deeper there will be more crazy goodness in the book. In this chapter he argues for a conspiracy to control population in developing nations via

a) vaccines- in the 1990s in Nicaragua, Mexico and the Philippines. Yes he alleges the WHO used tetanus vaccines to sterilise these women er I mean " rendering a woman incapable of maintaining a pregnancy, a form of concealed abortion." Somehow I don't think the population of those countries have shrunk.

b) A genetically engineered corn which makes Mexican males sterile by producing antibodies against sperm (except of course antibodies would denature if you kind of cook the corn because of you know, heat and energy transfers).

Reminds me of that episode of Stargate where SG-1 discovers the Ashen has sterilised a population using a cure for a disease.

The author of J's piece is a CONSPIRACY THEORY NUTJOB. Good God he thinks the World Health Organisation is secretly trying to sterilise women in various third world nations. Oh and guess who he credits with starting to unravel this conspiracy. A person working for the really scientific organisation known as the Catholic Church. You cannot make this shit up.

Now conspiracy theorists tend to take disparate facts, and try and build a narrative around it. One can see the signs in his report about shale. When a company sells resources, why its because they KNOW shale is running out and trying to trick naive foreign buyers into buying a dud asset. Why are we listening to people like this again?

Edit - why did I bother. According to J's own linked website here
F. William Engdahl is a leading analyst of the New World Order, author of the best-selling book on oil and geopolitics, A Century of War: Anglo-American Politics and the New World Order,’ His writings have been translated into more than a dozen languages.
That New World Order. :D
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I've always wanted to say ad hominem , and now I can!

So congratulations, you've discovered that Mr. Engdahl is, as my husband would say, a whack-a-loon.
However, you've yet to refute any of the points made in his article, many of which are actually referenced from USGS, DOE, and energy industry papers.
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Firstly Global Research can't be that great if they not only have a conspiracy theorist on board, but actively consider the fact he is a conspiracy theorist as a positive. Its like the difference between Nature and a journal which considers a contributor being a Creationist being a strong point.

Going on you surely don't expect me to check every source listed right? That's like the creationists trying to win by bombarding the atheist with tons of links. Thus using this as a surrogate is reasonable when the person reading the article isn't an expert in the field. You posted a source showing a decline in gas reserves. I looked at it and the decline is not due to "wells running dry per se" from that very source, its because its not economical at prices in that year to extract. You then post another one, and yeah I looked at this. I will make it easy and say I am not going to peruse every single one of these guys links. But already we know he is a what did you call him, a whack a loon.

Secondly, as with conspiracy theorists, the devil is in the details. Its not so much we can quote disparate facts, its how he interprets those facts. For example Mr Engdahl quotes from a source (Arthur E. Berman and Lynn F. Pittinger, US Shale Gas: Less Abundance, Higher Cost, August 5, 2011) which highlights that gas isn't as high as initial industry analysis. That may mean that optimistic projections that the US can challenge Putin's gas dominance will be more unlikely, and certainly something I was curious about. However Mr Engdahl interprets that as meaning the shale industry is a bloody ponzi scheme. Contrast to the article he quotes where the word ponzi doesn't appear once, and the author concludes that shale gas "will remain an important part of the North American energy landscape." In fact the first time the word ponzi appears in his article, its implied someone else used the term to describe the shale industry (source 6). Unfortunately if you look at it, there is no source listed as number 6. No look at it, its empty.

This tactic is part and parcel of conspiracy theorists who quote facts, but interpret it in a very twisted manner from what the original authors did. Based on this reading, it makes me think the article is alarmist which is why you chose that particular article.

Oh another funny thing is, since we are talking about fallacies, Engdahl uses an appeal to motive fallacy to attack the gas industry, ie its in their interest to promote the numbers. Yet we can apply that same logic to him. Its in his interest to talk shit about them. Why? Because he makes money writing books criticising the oil industry. See how easy it is to play this game.

I freely admit I usually don't focus my attention on shale plays, but substitute shale for antibiotics or vaccines, and Engdahl's article reads very similar to the anti vaxxer bullshit on various "natural remedy" sites. Well considering they are both conspiracy theorists, its not that surprising.
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I think questioning the motives and integrity of somebody who believes in the New World Order is more than fair. Especially if that someone is associated with the LaRouche movement, which finances about half of all the right-wing nutjob parties in Europe and promotes the idea of building superhighways from Europe to China. In Germany, these nutjobs were responsible of some of the worst hackjobs to an almost comical degree, aka "Hitler did nothing wrong". This got so bad that the constitutional police got involved.

These are the guys who claim that Europe is controlled by a zonist lobby and are also holocaust deniers (really, I got all sorts of quotes from her, like for example her claim that "the holocaust fraud" is being used as cover for foreign agents to infiltrate Germany after the same Zionist agents already control the USA).
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Let's leave the sidetrack aside and get back on topic.

Starting from page 9 of a report from the German Institute of Economic Research, though I recommend reading the entire report.
http://www.diw.de/documents/publikation ... dp1338.pdf

To summarize, various factors lead to reserves being overstated, though it's hard to say by how much since there's not much production history to by.

To take 5-10 years at most of data and extrapolate it out for 30-50 years seems questionable at best, especially when the production decline curves which many of the models assume (hyperbolic decline, same as conventional wells) do not match with reality (see conclusion of this SPE paper on Eagle Ford Shale production).
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I won't have time to read it tonight, but I am going to say that I have no problems accepting that some of the more optimistic goals of the neocons like America challenging Russia's dominance in gas could be exaggerated for various reasons including overestimation of reserves, costs of transporting to Europe and China etc. It seems to me though, that improvements in shale would still buy countries more time to develop alternative energy sources, and in that regard I am like Darth Tanner. After all, production numbers are a bit more harder to overestimate than reserve numbers, and the US production is increasing.

@Thanas - that guy is from the LaRouche movement. :shock: That explains a few things.
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mr friendly guy wrote:After all, production numbers are a bit more harder to overestimate than reserve numbers, and the US production is increasing.
Actual production numbers, yes, it's either there or it isn't. However, the EIA and various others also make future production estimates in their reports which go decades into the future based on only a few years of actual production data. To me at least, this makes their production forecasts about as questionable as their reserves estimates. The data which we do have points towards short production lives & high costs which would favour more conservative estimates such as the ones used by the USGS.

The optimistic estimates are like taking the first few years of the internet boom (starting in the mid 90's) and extrapolating the 100% annual growth rate out for the next 30 years, well, it kinda works, until year 10 when everyone on Earth is connected. Which is clearly not the case 20 down the road in our present world.
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Irbis wrote:
These trends will provide a significant boost to the U.S. economy. Households could save close to $30 billion annually in electricity costs by 2020, compared to the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s current forecast. Gasoline costs could fall from an average of five percent to three percent of real disposable personal income. The price of gasoline could drop by 30 percent, increasing annual disposable income by $750, on average, per driving household. The oil and gas boom could add about 2.8 percent in cumulative GDP growth by 2020 and bolster employment by some three million jobs.
[citation needed] :lol:

Do I hear "it will trickle down"? Why, it's not like oil and gas companies are happy to jerk price up every time there is reason (or even when there is not), while happy to pocket the difference if it falls? Right? Recent record profits are just a fluke, and consumers not noticing any price cuts is just ungratefulness?
The wild swings in retail price of refined petroleum products that you're referring to are not orchestrated by the companies that do the actual extraction of crude oil and gas out of the Earth. Crude prices - as charged by extractors to their distributors - have remained almost constant during the last two years despite retail petroleum prices varying by up to 50%.

Also, these extractors have not, in fact, had record profits recently. Because there is a huge bottleneck currently in distribution (read: pipelines), and also a lesser bottleneck in refinery capability, it is the pipeline operators and refiners that have seen the record profits. Right now, retail gas prices are very insensitive to crude oil production numbers because of these bottlenecks. Extractors are always trying to under-bid each other to get room for their product in the limited pipeline & refining infrastructure.

If additional pipelines were to be constructed, the extra production from shale methods, as well as the Canadian oil sands, would cause the price of consumer oil products to fall. Ironically, the price per unit of crude oil would simultaneously rise due to the increased distribution infrastructure.
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