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Did not see anybody post anything about this.
Not really pro Christian myself but this is bullshit.

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Christian in Sudan sentenced to death for faith; 'I'm just praying,' husband says
By Salma Abdelaziz, Catherine E. Shoichet, Daniel Burke and Ed Payne, CNN
updated 8:31 AM EDT, Fri May 16, 2014

(CNN) -- Hours after a Sudanese court sentenced his pregnant wife to death when she refused to recant her Christian faith, her husband told CNN he feels helpless.

"I'm so frustrated. I don't know what to do," Daniel Wani told CNN on Thursday. "I'm just praying."

This week a Khartoum court convicted his wife, Meriam Yehya Ibrahim, 27, of apostasy, or the renunciation of faith.

Ibrahim is Christian, her husband said. But the court considers her to be Muslim.

The court also convicted her of adultery and sentenced her to 100 lashes because her marriage to a Christian man is considered void under Sharia law.

The court gave her until Thursday to recant her Christian faith -- something she refused to do, according to her lawyer.

During Thursday's sentencing hearing, a sheikh told the court "how dangerous a crime like this is to Islam and the Islamic community," said attorney Mohamed Jar Elnabi, who's representing Ibrahim.

"I am a Christian," Ibrahim fired back, "and I will remain a Christian."

Her legal team says it plans to appeal the verdict, which drew swift condemnation from human rights organizations around the world.

In the meantime, Ibrahim, who is eight months' pregnant, remains in prison with her 20-month-old son.

"She is very strong and very firm. She is very clear that she is a Christian and that she will get out one day," Elnabi told CNN from Sudan.

Ibrahim was born to a Sudanese Muslim father and an Ethiopian Orthodox mother. Her father left when she was 6 years old, and Ibrahim was raised by her mother as a Christian.

However, because her father was Muslim, the courts considered her to be the same, which would mean her marriage to a non-Muslim man is void.

The case, her lawyer said, started after Ibrahim's brother filed a complaint against her, alleging that she had gone missing for several years and that her family was shocked to find she had married a Christian man.

A family divided

The court's ruling leaves a family divided, with Ibrahim behind bars and her husband struggling to survive, Elnabi said.

Police blocked Wani from entering the courtroom on Thursday, Elnabi said. Lawyers appealed to the judge, but he refused, Elnabi said.

Wani uses a wheelchair and "totally depends on her for all details of his life," Elnabi said.

"He cannot live without her," said the lawyer.

The couple's son is having a difficult time in prison.

"He is very affected from being trapped inside a prison from such a young age," Elnabi said. "He is always getting sick due to lack of hygiene and bugs."

Ibrahim is having a difficult pregnancy, the lawyer said. A request to send her to a private hospital was denied "due to security measures."

There also is the question of the timing of a potential execution.

In past cases involving pregnant or nursing women, the Sudanese government waited until the mother weaned her child before executing any sentence, said Christian Solidarity Worldwide spokeswoman Kiri Kankhwende.

Rights groups, governments ask for compassion

Amnesty International describes Ibrahim as a prisoner of conscience.

"The fact that a woman could be sentenced to death for her religious choice, and to flogging for being married to a man of an allegedly different religion, is abhorrent and should never be even considered," Manar Idriss, Amnesty International's Sudan researcher, said in a statement.

"'Adultery' and 'apostasy' are acts which should not be considered crimes at all, let alone meet the international standard of 'most serious crimes' in relation to the death penalty. It is a flagrant breach of international human rights law," the researcher said.

Katherine Perks with the African Centre for Justice and Peace Studies said the verdict goes against Sudan's "own Constitution and commitments made under regional and international law."

"Meriam has been convicted solely on account of her religious convictions and personal status," she said.

Foreign embassies in Khartoum are urging the government there to reverse course.

"We call upon the Government of Sudan to respect the right to freedom of religion, including one's right to change one's faith or beliefs, a right which is enshrined in international human rights law as well as in Sudan's own 2005 Interim Constitution," the embassies of the United States, United Kingdom, Canada and Netherlands said in a statement.

"We further urge Sudanese legal authorities to approach Ms. Meriam's case with justice and compassion that is in keeping with the values of the Sudanese people," it read.

'Egregious violations of freedom of religion'

Attempts to contact Sudan's justice minister and foreign affairs minister about the Ibrahim case were unsuccessful.

Sudan is one of the most difficult countries in the world to be a Christian, according to international religious freedom monitors.

Under President Omar al-Bashir, the African nation "continues to engage in systematic, ongoing and egregious violations of freedom of religion or belief," the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom said in its 2014 report.

The country imposes Sharia law on Muslims and non-Muslims alike and punishes acts of "indecency" and "immorality" by floggings and amputations, the commission said.

"Conversion from Islam is a crime punishable by death, suspected converts to Christianity face societal pressures, and government security personnel intimidate and sometimes torture those suspected of conversion," said the commission, whose members are appointed by Congress and the president.

The 8 worst places in the world to be religious

The Sudanese government has arrested Christians for spreading their faith, razed Christian churches and confiscated Christians' property, the commission said.

Since 1999, the U.S. State Department has called Sudan one of the worst offenders of religious rights, counting it among eight "countries of particular concern."

"The government at times enforced laws against blasphemy and defaming Islam," the State Department said in its most recent report on religious freedom, from 2012.

The State Department's other countries of concern, all of which impose strict penalties on Christians or other faiths, are: Myanmar (also known as Burma), China, Eritrea, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia and Uzbekistan.

Among all religious groups, Christians are the most likely to be persecuted worldwide, according to a 2014 report by the Pew Research Center.

Between June 2006 and December 2012, Christians were harassed by governments in 151 countries, Pew reported. Islam was second, with 135 countries. Together, Christians and Muslims make up half of the world's population, Pew noted.

Lawyer says he's gotten a death threat

Elnabi says he got a death threat a day before the controversial court hearing, with an anonymous caller telling him to pull out of representing Ibrahim or risk attack.

"I feel very scared," he said. "Since yesterday, I live in fear if I just hear a door open or a strange sound in the street."

Still, the lawyer said he'll continue representing Ibrahim.

"I could never leave the case. This is a matter of belief and principles," he said. "I must help someone who is in need, even if it will cost me my life."
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Kitsune wrote:Not really pro Christian myself but this is bullshit.
You don't need to be pro-Christian. You just have to be anti-stupidity to know that it's bullshit. I could spout off for hours about how backward and moronic this sort of thing is, but we've heard it all before.
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Kitsune wrote:Not really pro Christian myself but this is bullshit.
You don't need to be pro-Christian. You just have to be anti-stupidity to know that it's bullshit. I could spout off for hours about how backward and moronic this sort of thing is, but we've heard it all before.
Biggest thing is that we should be aware of these things
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So, to be clear, she's being sentenced to death for adultery because her marriage is invalid, meaning she's had sex outside marriage. The reason her marriage is considered invalid by the Sudanese court is that she is the biological daughter of a Muslim man, and they therefore consider her subject to the jurisdiction of Muslim religious law... and forbidden to marry a non-Muslim.

Whereas she was raised a Christian, and adheres to that faith, her Muslim father having abandoned her.

I wonder how this case would have been resolved in the Islamic golden age- I suspect the court would not hand down such a sentence, and would have harsh words with the father, because even in the context of Islam, I'd think this is kind of nuts.
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Simon_Jester wrote:So, to be clear, she's being sentenced to death for adultery because her marriage is invalid, meaning she's had sex outside marriage. The reason her marriage is considered invalid by the Sudanese court is that she is the biological daughter of a Muslim man, and they therefore consider her subject to the jurisdiction of Muslim religious law... and forbidden to marry a non-Muslim.

Whereas she was raised a Christian, and adheres to that faith, her Muslim father having abandoned her.

I wonder how this case would have been resolved in the Islamic golden age- I suspect the court would not hand down such a sentence, and would have harsh words with the father, because even in the context of Islam, I'd think this is kind of nuts.
The trouble is that this is how the followers of Islam seem to act in wide areas of the world. Granted, not everywhere to be sure. I think by ignoring the Islam is a significant part of this does not do anybody any favors.
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My observation is rather that sharia law as practiced in modern Islamic nations has fallen away from the abstract ideal of justice. The ruling made by the Sudanese court is clearly unjust, even if one were so barbaric as to accept the premise that apostasy* (what she's charged with) is in theory punishable by death.

It is my (perhaps rosy-tinted) impression that adhering to the ideal of justice was more important in the Islamic golden age.

I was reflecting on this idea, that modern Islamic fundamentalism and its version of sharia law is more deeply flawed than we might think. It is not only an abomination by the standards of the secular, hyper-civilized West, but also by the standards of many religious ethicists throughout history.
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*I erred in my previous post. Rereading the article the death sentence appears to be for the 'crime' of apostasy, literally for practicing the Christian faith while having previously been a Muslim. The 'adultery' of having sexual relations with her Christian husband in a marriage the court declared to be invalid, was "only" punishable by a hundred lashes.

[And yes, in case anyone is still not clear on this, I condemn the ruling and think it is barbaric and foul. Because it really, very obviously, is, and no one serious on this forum would consider otherwise for a moment. Now please don't waste your time typing allegations that I'm an apologist for Islamic fundamentalism. It's beneath us.]
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Half the stupidity here is the notion that religion is something you somehow inherit, but Islam is hardly the only nation to go down that path.
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The thing that gets me most about this (aside from the obvious injustice) is the fact that they've locked up her 2 month old son as well. I mean, what the fuck?

Also, the hypocrisy of it: consider, if this were a formerly Christian person who converted to Islam and was being persecuted (let alone sentenced to death, since even insane Christians aren't quite that crazy) the Islamic world would be (rightly so) raising hell about it.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:The thing that gets me most about this (aside from the obvious injustice) is the fact that they've locked up her 2 month old son as well. I mean, what the fuck?
There's a very high chance that she's breast-feeding him. In a country like that, with a disabled husband, the kid probably is better off in jail with a steady food supply than away from his mom.

Yes, it's still fucked up.
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Broomstick wrote:
Eternal_Freedom wrote:The thing that gets me most about this (aside from the obvious injustice) is the fact that they've locked up her 2 month old son as well. I mean, what the fuck?
There's a very high chance that she's breast-feeding him. In a country like that, with a disabled husband, the kid probably is better off in jail with a steady food supply than away from his mom.

Yes, it's still fucked up.
Pretty sure it is 20 month old not 2 month old.
Still, the article states "He is very affected from being trapped inside a prison from such a young age," Elnabi said. "He is always getting sick due to lack of hygiene and bugs."
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She might still be breast feeding at 20 months.

Or maybe there's some other reason.
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Yeah, sorry, typo, 20 months old. Still, if you really want to make sure she doesn't escape but let her raise the kid, why not just put her under house arrest so the 20 month old infant isn't in fucking jail.

Oh, wait, that would make sense.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:Yeah, sorry, typo, 20 months old. Still, if you really want to make sure she doesn't escape but let her raise the kid, why not just put her under house arrest so the 20 month old infant isn't in fucking jail.

Oh, wait, that would make sense.
I make the odds pretty good that the child will die in prison and pretty high that she might as well especially when (if) she gives birth.

Ibrahim is having a difficult pregnancy, the lawyer said. A request to send her to a private hospital was denied "due to security measures."
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Security measures. She's 8 month's pregnant, it's not like she can run away very fast.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:Security measures. She's 8 month's pregnant, it's not like she can run away very fast.
Some female joggers run up through their eighth month (just checked it out)
Still, I agree with your point :wink:
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Even if she's an avid jogger, I would expect a security guard/cop to be able to sprint fast enough to catch her.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:Even if she's an avid jogger, I would expect a security guard/cop to be able to sprint fast enough to catch her.
I agree just making sure the crap is not left unturned
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:Even if she's an avid jogger, I would expect a security guard/cop to be able to sprint fast enough to catch her.
If she's not directly in the custody of the inquisition authorities, she might be "accidentally" discharged from a hospital. These authorities probably recognize that there might be ambivalent people out there who would be tempted to take the law into their own hands and set her free.
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The fact that they are concerned enough that someone might set her free on their own to keep her and a 20 month old kid in an unhealthy prison should tell them they've made a dumb choice.
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http://www.news.com.au/world/sudanese-o ... 6938649951
Sudanese official tells BBC Meriam Ibrahim Ishag to be freed from Sudan jail where she was facing execution

A CHRISTIAN Sudanese woman sentenced to hang for apostasy will be “freed within days”, a foreign ministry official says.
Meriam Yahia Ibrahim Ishag was condemned to death on May 15 under the Islamic sharia law that has been in place since 1983 and outlaws conversions under pain of death.
“The lady will be freed within days in line with legal procedure that will be taken by the judiciary and the ministry of justice,” said Abdullah al-Azraq, a foreign ministry undersecretary.
Azraq, who spoke via telephone from London, did not elaborate.
The 27-year-old gave birth to a baby girl on Tuesday in a women’s prison in Khartoum’s twin city of Omdurman.

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A CHRISTIAN Sudanese woman sentenced to hang for apostasy will be “freed within days”, a foreign ministry official says.
Meriam Yahia Ibrahim Ishag was condemned to death on May 15 under the Islamic sharia law that has been in place since 1983 and outlaws conversions under pain of death.
“The lady will be freed within days in line with legal procedure that will be taken by the judiciary and the ministry of justice,” said Abdullah al-Azraq, a foreign ministry undersecretary.
Azraq, who spoke via telephone from London, did not elaborate.
The 27-year-old gave birth to a baby girl on Tuesday in a women’s prison in Khartoum’s twin city of Omdurman.
Jailed... Meriam Ibrahim gave birth to a baby daughter while shackled in her cell. Her yo
Jailed... Meriam Ibrahim gave birth to a baby daughter while shackled in her cell. Her young son also is in prison with her. Source: Supplied
Her husband, US citizen Daniel Wani, visited Ishag and the baby on Thursday, after being denied access earlier in the week, and told AFP both were in “good health”.
Ishag was born to a Muslim father but told the court during her trial that she had never been a Muslim herself.
The court gave her three days to “recant” her faith and when she refused, Ishag was handed the death penalty and sentenced to 100 lashes for “adultery”.
Under Sudan’s interpretation of sharia, a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man, so any such relationship is regarded as adulterous.
Her case sparked international condemnation, with British Prime Minister David Cameron saying he was “appalled” by the “barbaric” sentence given to Ishag.
Britain and Canada had summoned the Sudanese envoys to their countries last week and told them the sentence violated Sudan’s international human rights obligations.
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Shite. Sudan is now saying that the official was taken out of context, and at the present time they aren't planning to realise her.
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Update to this story - she has been ordered free by the court.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... y-24260607
A Sudanese woman on death row for apostasy had her sentence canceled and was ordered released by a Khartoum court on Monday, the country's official news agency reported.

SUNA said the Court of Cassation canceled the death sentence against 27-year-old Meriam Ibrahim after defense lawyers presented their case. The court ordered her release.

Ibrahim, whose father was Muslim but who was raised by her Christian mother, was convicted of apostasy for marrying a Christian. Sudan's penal code criminalizes the conversion of Muslims to other religions, a crime punishable by death.

Ibrahim married a Christian man from southern Sudan in a church ceremony in 2011. As in many Muslim nations, Muslim women in Sudan are prohibited from marrying non-Muslims, though Muslim men can marry outside their faith.

Ibrahim has a son, 18-month-old Martin, who was living with her in jail, where she gave birth to a second child last month, local media reported. By law, children must follow their father's religion.

The sentence drew international condemnation, with Amnesty International calling it "abhorrent." The U.S. State Department said it was "deeply disturbed" by the sentence and called on the Sudanese government to respect religious freedoms.

Sudan introduced Islamic Shariah law in the early 1980s under the rule of autocrat Jaafar Nimeiri, a move that contributed to the resumption of an insurgency in the mostly animist and Christian south of Sudan. The south seceded in 2011 to become the world's newest nation, South Sudan.

Sudanese President Omar Bashir, an Islamist who seized power in a 1989 military coup, has said his country will implement Islam more strictly now that the non-Muslim south is gone.

A number of Sudanese have been convicted of apostasy in recent years, but they all escaped execution by recanting their new faith.
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Hopefully this report is legit...
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Hopefully, she won't be let go only to be killed later by vigilantes...
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