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Number of sources on this but none I saw that were mainstream
I think it is an excellent change
http://rt.com/usa/160624-fbi-recording- ... on-policy/
FBI to quietly end policy that disallowed recording interrogations

The US Department of Justice has reversed a long-time Federal Bureau of Investigation policy that prohibited recording during interrogations of suspects in custody, with certain exceptions. The directive, issued on May 12, will go into effect on July 11.

The quiet change of course for the FBI and other Department of Justice (DOJ) agencies is described in a memorandum obtained by The Arizona Republic.

"This policy establishes a presumption that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and the United States Marshals Service (USMS) will electronically record statements made by individuals in their custody," reads the memo to federal prosecutors and criminal investigators from James M. Cole, deputy attorney general.

"This policy also encourages agents and prosecutors to consider electronic recording in investigative or other circumstances where the presumption does not apply,'' including the questioning of witnesses.

The change of policy came from collaboration between the DOJ and law enforcement personnel, according to an accompanying memo from Monty Wilkinson, director of the Executive Office for United States Attorneys.

The new policy does make exceptions for ill-defined public safety situations where the suspect may have information that could help avert a potentially life-threatening incident, which has been abused in the past, and for national security intelligence-gathering interviews, which have also seen controversy.

According to the memo, agents are also encouraged to record not just suspects in custody, but those not yet arrested, a status also often exploited by federal agents.

“The policy establishes a presumption in favor of electronically recording custodial interviews, with certain exceptions, and encourages agents and prosecutors to consider taping outside of custodial interrogations,” the memo reads.

The DOJ and FBI did not respond to the Republic’s requests for more details on the new policy.

The DOJ has long resisted calls for its law enforcements agents to employ audio and video recording in its interrogation process. Proponents of recording say the reform will bring the FBI and others into more modern standards of policing and strengthen trust in the American criminal justice system.

FBI agents have long used basic methods including reliance on their memories, interpretations of events, and handwritten notes – the originals often destroyed – that are later transcribed on what is known as a 302 form.

The absence of recorded interviews has long led to the wrongful convictions of the innocent based on, among other issues, jury deference to FBI agent testimony – at times misremembered, distorted, or fabricated. But the old policy has also led to the exoneration of ultimately guilty suspects, as skilful defense lawyers have been able to undermine honest testimony from agents by exploiting the FBI’s outdated methods.

Critics of the traditional system say it has led to corrupted or flawed investigations, spoiled or lost evidence, unprofessional agent conduct, and false convictions. The DOJ practice has led to problems in major trials, including that of Osama bin Laden, television personality Martha Stewart, Oklahoma City bombing suspect Terry Nichols, and many others who never receive publicity.

Paul Charlton, a former US Attorney for Arizona who was fired by President George W. Bush in part because he pressed the DOJ on its no-recording policy, hailed the reversal.

"It's a great day," Charlton told the Republic. "Really extraordinary. It's a step in the right direction for law enforcement."

Attorney and ex-FBI agent Fred Whitehurst, who later became an agency whistleblower, said the new policy is “delightful.”

“What have we got to hide?” he added.

The FBI’s past assertions that recording suspects is a logistical problem or that it inhibits honesty during interrogations have been disputed by police officers, detectives, and criminology professors.

At least eight US states actually mandate taping of criminal suspects, based on either statute or court decrees, according to the Republic.

An internal FBI memo, reported by The New York Times in 2006, shed some light on the reason for the no-taping policy. It said that jurors might be offended by FBI tactics and acquit defendants if they could see the legal but deceitful tricks agents use to obtain information or confessions.

Larry Hammond, chair of the Arizona Justice Project, said recording interrogations will help stop false confessions and wrongful convictions.

"I cannot understand why this hasn't happened sooner," Hammond said.
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The DOJ has long resisted calls for its law enforcements agents to employ audio and video recording in its interrogation process. Proponents of recording say the reform will bring the FBI and others into more modern standards of policing and strengthen trust in the American criminal justice system.

FBI agents have long used basic methods including reliance on their memories, interpretations of events, and handwritten notes – the originals often destroyed – that are later transcribed on what is known as a 302 form.

The absence of recorded interviews has long led to the wrongful convictions of the innocent based on, among other issues, jury deference to FBI agent testimony – at times misremembered, distorted, or fabricated. But the old policy has also led to the exoneration of ultimately guilty suspects, as skilful defense lawyers have been able to undermine honest testimony from agents by exploiting the FBI’s outdated methods.
Is it just me, or does the 'no recording' rule and the destruction of the original notes sound like a deliberate policy to allow the FBI to fabricate evidence ?
The FBI’s past assertions that recording suspects is a logistical problem or that it inhibits honesty during interrogations have been disputed by police officers, detectives, and criminology professors.
Did the FBI really expect anyone to buy the 'inhibits honesty' lie ?
It said that jurors might be offended by FBI tactics and acquit defendants if they could see the legal but deceitful tricks agents use to obtain information or confessions.
I wonder how many of these legal tricks only remain legal because there isn't enough proof of them occurring to get a defense lawyer to bring them up in front of a judge.
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Am I the only one that gets a rather unpleasant feeling from the notion of a law enforcement agency purposefully using "deceitful tricks" to get people to confess and being allowed to do so?
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Purple wrote:Am I the only one that gets a rather unpleasant feeling from the notion of a law enforcement agency purposefully using "deceitful tricks" to get people to confess and being allowed to do so?
Yes, watch about the Norfolk Four
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... nfessions/
I am extremely cautious about any confessions
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Purple wrote:Am I the only one that gets a rather unpleasant feeling from the notion of a law enforcement agency purposefully using "deceitful tricks" to get people to confess and being allowed to do so?
What are you trying to hide, citizen?


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Purple wrote:Am I the only one that gets a rather unpleasant feeling from the notion of a law enforcement agency purposefully using "deceitful tricks" to get people to confess and being allowed to do so?
It is unpleasant, but "We have X evidence" when really they dont, is just fine. Giving false legal advice is also just fine "we might put in a good word for you if you tell us...". If the suspect is guilty, this tends to work, but if the suspect is not guilty, it tends not to.

The problem comes not with the deception, but with the hours and hours and hours of repeated badgering, leading questions, lack of sleep, emotional manipulation (as opposed to building a real rapport during long-term interrogation of terror suspects, getting them to ACTUALLY trust the officer, rather than pulling nasty emotional tricks). These are the methods that get innocent people to confess, and these are the methods that recording can stop, because the defense lawyer can get the recording and show a jury that any given confession or incriminating statements were made under conditions that would cause THEM to confess.
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Hang on, why the hell wasn't recording stuff standard practice years ago? I mean, as far as I know police in the UK have recorded everything since at least the 70's. I figured it was common practice for any reasonably non-corrupt police/law enforcement agency anywhere.

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Yeah, I'm puzzled at that too.
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If I had to guess? Budget and precedent. The FBI had its beginnings at the start of the 20th century, back when tape recorders were still first hitting the market. It costs money to buy a tape recorder, more money to buy the tapes (about 30 minutes of recording time apiece, back in the 20s), more money to store them, and even more money to pay a staff to maintain and catalog the things. By comparison, it costs nothing to convince an agent to develop his senses, keep a sharp memory, and work on his technique. By the time the 40s and 50s rolled around and recorders became more commonplace agents might have baulked at the idea of handing the interrogation room over to machines, maybe backed by a bit of 'the guys who trained us didn't need these things' and the agency probably still didn't want to spring for the cost. Then that just kept rolling.
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That's gruesome. Your entire justice system seems to be built on the demand to send someone, anyone to prison over a crime.
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Purple wrote:That's gruesome. Your entire justice system seems to be built on the demand to send someone, anyone to prison over a crime.
I think that is the case with many legal systems. . . .Many nations have trouble with false confessions.
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The real problem is the assumption that once you have been accused of a crime, you are attainted and untrustworthy and any evidence you present in your defense is implicitly viewed as self-serving lies by a lot of Americans. Therefore, the police focus on finding the person they THINK is guilty, and then putting that person in a position where their 'obvious' guilt can be proven to a court.

This promotes a police culture in which fabricating evidence or entrapping the suspect is more tempting, and in which dishonest interrogation tactics are more likely to be used.

Of course, to be honest that's more of a 'human psychology' thing; it's not like foreign judiciaries don't have the same problems. They may have better mechanisms to stop the problems from sending innocent people to jail, but they still have them.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Of course, to be honest that's more of a 'human psychology' thing; it's not like foreign judiciaries don't have the same problems. They may have better mechanisms to stop the problems from sending innocent people to jail, but they still have them.
Not sure that they are really actually much better.
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Purple wrote:That's gruesome. Your entire justice system seems to be built on the demand to send someone, anyone to prison over a crime.
Ever notice that Americans refer to a legal system rather than a justice system? The US's system isn't built for justice, it's built for retribution, and so long as someone suffers consequences for a crime, few care to differentiate between the two.
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Highlord Laan wrote:
Purple wrote:That's gruesome. Your entire justice system seems to be built on the demand to send someone, anyone to prison over a crime.
Ever notice that Americans refer to a legal system rather than a justice system? The US's system isn't built for justice, it's built for retribution, and so long as someone suffers consequences for a crime, few care to differentiate between the two.
While I think that is somewhat the case with many countries, I do have a specific issue
Whenever you get a death penalty case, you need to get a specific jury.
I would have to recuse myself from any death penalty trial for example.
Those who believe strongly in the death penalty tend to me more, lets say, vengeance driven.
As such, not sure if they would look at the evidence in a fair manner.
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Highlord Laan wrote:
Purple wrote:That's gruesome. Your entire justice system seems to be built on the demand to send someone, anyone to prison over a crime.
Ever notice that Americans refer to a legal system rather than a justice system? The US's system isn't built for justice, it's built for retribution, and so long as someone suffers consequences for a crime, few care to differentiate between the two.
That's completely false, but typical for the level of discourse when discussing the US on here.
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