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AP wrote:BANGKOK (AP) -- Thailand's army declared martial law before dawn Tuesday in a surprise announcement it said was aimed at keeping the country stable after six months of sometimes violent political unrest. The military, however, denied a coup d'etat was underway.

The move effectively places the army in charge of public security nationwide. It comes one day after the Southeast Asian country's caretaker prime minister refused to step down and follows six months of anti-government demonstrations that have failed to oust the government.

Armed troops entered multiple private television stations in Bangkok to broadcast their message and surrounded the national police headquarters in the city center. Army jeeps mounted with a machine-guns diverted traffic on a major road in front of Central World, one of the country's most luxurious shopping malls. But the vast metropolis of 10 million people appeared calm, and commuters could be seen driving and walking to work as usual.

An army official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation, told The Associated Press "this is definitely not a coup. This is only to provide safety to the people and the people can still carry on their lives as normal."

A ticker on Chanel 5, an army station, also denied the military was taking over and asked the public not to panic.

Thailand's army has staged at 11 successful coups since the end of absolute monarchy in 1932. The last was in 2006.

Thailand, an economic hub for Southeast Asia, has been gripped by off-and-on political turmoil since 2006, when former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra was toppled by a military coup after being accused of corruption, abuse of power and disrespect for King Bhumibol Adulyadej.

The latest round of unrest started last November, when anti-government protesters took to the streets to try to oust then-Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, Thaksin's sister. She had dissolved the lower house of parliament in December in a bid to ease the crisis.

Earlier this month, the Constitutional Court ousted Yingluck and nine Cabinet ministers earlier this month for abuse of power, but the move has done little to resolve the political conflict that largely pits the rural poor majority who support Yingluck and her opponents that largely come from the urban middle and upper class.

The military statement was signed by army chief Gen. Prayuth Chan-Ocha, who later read it on air. He cited a 1914 law that gives the authority to intervene during times of crisis, and said it had taken the action because on-going mass rallies between political rivals "could impact the country's security and safety of the lives and public property."

On Monday, Thailand's acting prime minister insisted his government will not resign, resisting pressure from a group of senators who are seeking ways to settle the country's political crisis, and from anti-government protesters who are demanding an appointed prime minister.

A group of about 70 senators, most of whom are seen as siding with the anti-government protesters, proposed a framework on Friday that calls for a government with full power to conduct political reforms.

Acting Prime Minister Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan and Justice Minister Chaikasem Nitisiri met with two representatives of the Senate in an undisclosed location Monday to avoid disruption from the protesters.

After the meeting, Niwattumrong said the Cabinet cannot resign because it would be unconstitutional to do so. He insisted he "can carry out duties and has full authority" as prime minister.

The Cabinet has operated in a caretaker capacity with limited power since Yingluck dissolved the lower house in December in a failed bid to ease the political crisis. A new government cannot normally be named until there are elections, which anti-government demonstrators have vowed to block unless political reforms occur first.

The Senate, the only functioning legislative body in the country, was seen as the last resort of the anti-government protesters, who are calling for an interim, unelected prime minister to be chosen.

The protesters say they are making their final push to oust the government and install an unelected prime minister and government. They have promised to call off their rallies if they are not successful by May 26, following six months of street demonstrations in which 28 people have died and hundreds of others have been injured.

The protesters on Monday began searching for members of the Cabinet at their residences to pressure them to resign, but did not find any.

Labor unions representing about 20 state-owned enterprises vowed to go on strike Thursday to support the anti-government protesters, although several companies, including Thai Airways and the Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand, said Monday that they would operate normally.

Thaksin, a former telecommunications billionaire, remains highly popular among the poor in the north and northeast, and parties controlled by him have won every national election since 2001. The anti-government protesters, who are aligned with the opposition Democrat Party and backed by the country's traditional elites, say they want to remove all traces of his political machine from politics.

Thaksin's supporters, known as the Red Shirts, have staged a rally in Bangkok's western outskirts since May 10, raising concerns about possible clashes between them and the anti-government protesters.
"This is definitely not a coup. This is only to provide safety to the people and the people can still carry on their lives as normal."
I have a hard time believing this in a country which has gone through 11 coups since 1932.
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Some Third World nations seem to occupy a quasi-stable state where the army stages coups to overthrow elected governments they deem "too radical" on a regular basis, and yet... the system seems to function, rather than decaying into pure kleptocracy or military dictatorship.

I'm not entirely sure this is a bad thing, because there are a LOT of failure modes for democracies in developing nations (rule by corrupt faux-populist and his billionaire cronies comes to mind). Having the military act as the 'safety valve' capable of overthrowing an elected leader for the sake of preserving good governance is anathema in most developed nations... But I'm not sure it's worse than some of the alternatives.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Some Third World nations seem to occupy a quasi-stable state where the army stages coups to overthrow elected governments they deem "too radical" on a regular basis, and yet... the system seems to function, rather than decaying into pure kleptocracy or military dictatorship.

I'm not entirely sure this is a bad thing, because there are a LOT of failure modes for democracies in developing nations (rule by corrupt faux-populist and his billionaire cronies comes to mind). Having the military act as the 'safety valve' capable of overthrowing an elected leader for the sake of preserving good governance is anathema in most developed nations... But I'm not sure it's worse than some of the alternatives.
The reasons why Thailand is always slipping into a state of emergency is not so much because the government is too radical, but rather because of a turf war between factions who refuse to reconcile. This will be the... 3rd or 4th state of emergency in 10 years.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Some Third World nations seem to occupy a quasi-stable state where the army stages coups to overthrow elected governments they deem "too radical" on a regular basis, and yet... the system seems to function, rather than decaying into pure kleptocracy or military dictatorship.
That is not stable state. It makes absolute mockery of rule of law and long term planning, because you have no idea who is going to be in power in a year or what policies they will have. Any planning is possible in only broad strokes and the system begins to grind to a halt as officials resort to corruption to pad their pockets while they still can.

You try to stamp it out? Congratulations, now system grinds to a halt as new officials have no experience, and, unless you come hard at them too, quickly start taking bribes, making problem worse. Oh, and unless your purging forces are robots, they start to take bribes too as they become corrupted, and quickly, purges are utterly ineffective farce and state falls apart.

Plus, even if your country was 100% corruption free, it quickly breeds apathy. Why go vote if it's pointless anyway? Soon, all you see are small, very polarized, radical voter groups and apathetic majority. Drag it out a few decades and reintroducing democracy becomes meaningless as people cease to vote. It becomes stable, but in same way fallen bike is "stable" lying on the ground and not going anywhere, while raising it to ride again requires much bigger effort than just keeping it upright.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27527927

No longer martial law but rather full blown coup now.
A curfew has begun across Thailand after the army announced it had taken control and suspended the constitution following months of political turmoil.

The army chief imposed the 22:00 to 05:00 curfew, along with a ban on political gatherings and suspension of normal television programming.

Key political figures have been detained and others ordered to report to the military.

The army said it needed to restore order and enact political reforms.

It declared martial law on Tuesday but then gathered political leaders together for talks on the crisis.

However, army chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha went on air on Thursday to announce the coup.

Several key figures at the talks, including opposition protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban and pro-government protest leader Jatuporn Prompan, were detained.


The moment Jonah Fisher and other reporters realised a coup was under way
Acting PM Niwatthamrong Boonsongphaisan was not at the talks and his whereabouts are unclear. However, he and all cabinet ministers, along with ex-PM Yingluck Shinawatra, were ordered to report to the military.

'In the dark'
Protest groups in and around Bangkok have been dispersed but the operations are reported to have been largely peaceful.

One key flashpoint was the pro-government "red shirt" protest camp on Bangkok's western outskirts.

At the scene: The BBC's Jonah Fisher in Bangkok:
The military has been consolidating its position over the past several hours.

There aren't soldiers all over Bangkok tonight. It is a lot quieter, but that is because of the curfew. The way martial law has been handled over the past two days has not involved large deployments of soldiers - that has not been deemed necessary.

The military has concentrated its efforts around the protest camps - both pro- and anti-government - and that is what we have seen this evening. That is where it has deployed soldiers to the biggest effect, trying to make sure there is no reaction there to the declaration that the military is now in control.

Questions remain about sudden takeover

Hundreds of troops blocked cars from getting within 2km (1.2 miles) of the site - which was left eerily quiet as protesters packed up.

One of them, Eungkan, told Reuters news agency: "The troops came, the leaders left. We weren't scared. This coup will not help anyone; it won't help this country."

Thai soldiers in Bangkok, 22 May
Thai soldiers guard the Democracy Monument in Bangkok
Reuters also quoted Phuttiphong Khamhaengphon, a red shirt leader from the north-eastern town of Khon Kaen as saying: "We are completely in the dark. We haven't had any orders or coordination yet."

Anti-government protesters were also seen packing up in central Bangkok.

There was heavy traffic on the streets of the capital as the curfew deadline loomed but they are now largely deserted.


Thailand's coup explained - in 60 seconds
The army has staged at least 12 coups since the end of the absolute monarchy in 1932.

One Bangkok flower seller, Pinkaew Pipatada, 65, was witnessing a fourth coup and said: "I hope the soldiers have come out this time to solve the problem once and for all."

Television has been restricted to broadcasts by the military. The BBC, CNN and other channels are off air.

The military issued a second bulletin in the afternoon, spelling out the key points of the takeover:

Key coup conditions
Curfew nationwide from 22:00 to 05:00
Gen Prayuth to head ruling National Peace and Order Maintaining Council
Senate and courts to continue operating
2007 constitution suspended except for chapter on monarchy
Political gatherings of more than five people banned, with penalties of up to a one-year jail term, 10,000 baht ($307) fine, or both
Social media platforms could be blocked if they carry material with provocative content

The UN responded to the coup by expressing "serious concern", with Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urging a "prompt return to constitutional, civilian, democratic rule".

US Secretary of State John Kerry said the coup would have "negative implications" for US-Thai relations, particularly in the military sphere.

The UK urged "all sides to put aside their differences, and adhere to the values of democracy and the rule of law".

French President Francois Hollande condemned the coup and called for early elections.

Anti-government protesters in Bangkok, 22 May
Anti-government protesters pack up their camp in Bangkok ahead of the 22:00 curfew
Bangkok's "Soi cowboy" district, 22 May
Many of Bangkok's normally teeming neighbourhoods were empty
The latest unrest began in the Thai capital late last year, when Ms Yingluck dissolved the lower house of parliament.

A court ordered her removal for alleged abuse of power this month.

Thailand has faced a power struggle since Ms Yingluck's brother, Thaksin Shinawatra, was ousted by the military as PM in 2006.

Mr Thaksin and Ms Yingluck have strong support in rural areas. They are opposed by many in the middle class and urban elite.
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I wonder how the King will react to this? He's intervened in at least one coup before. From what I hear though his health is poor and he may not be in shape to deal with this.
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Elheru Aran wrote:I wonder how the King will react to this? He's intervened in at least one coup before. From what I hear though his health is poor and he may not be in shape to deal with this.
We are not even sure if he is even capable of feeling anything. What Thailand really needs is a good clean deck really, but that probably won't happen anytime soon.
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Irbis wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:Some Third World nations seem to occupy a quasi-stable state where the army stages coups to overthrow elected governments they deem "too radical" on a regular basis, and yet... the system seems to function, rather than decaying into pure kleptocracy or military dictatorship.
That is not stable state. It makes absolute mockery of rule of law and long term planning, because you have no idea who is going to be in power in a year or what policies they will have. Any planning is possible in only broad strokes and the system begins to grind to a halt as officials resort to corruption to pad their pockets while they still can.
In my defense, I chose the word "quasi-stable" for a reason; it occupies a middle ground between good government and utterly horrible collapsed governments like the worthless military juntas you get in places like, say, Burma. It's far from a truly functional and healthy system, but the surprising element is that it functions even a little.

Or rather that some countries manage to maintain quasi-functional government in spite of frequent military coups, while others collapse entirely or to a far higher extent.

You try to stamp it out? Congratulations, now system grinds to a halt as new officials have no experience, and, unless you come hard at them too, quickly start taking bribes, making problem worse. Oh, and unless your purging forces are robots, they start to take bribes too as they become corrupted, and quickly, purges are utterly ineffective farce and state falls apart.

Plus, even if your country was 100% corruption free, it quickly breeds apathy. Why go vote if it's pointless anyway? Soon, all you see are small, very polarized, radical voter groups and apathetic majority. Drag it out a few decades and reintroducing democracy becomes meaningless as people cease to vote. It becomes stable, but in same way fallen bike is "stable" lying on the ground and not going anywhere, while raising it to ride again requires much bigger effort than just keeping it upright.[/quote]
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Simon_Jester wrote:In my defense, I chose the word "quasi-stable" for a reason; it occupies a middle ground between good government and utterly horrible collapsed governments like the worthless military juntas you get in places like, say, Burma. It's far from a truly functional and healthy system, but the surprising element is that it functions even a little.
It maybe 'looks' stable from the outside, but under carpet, the whole thing becomes more and more corrupted bent out of shape and eventually collapses - or explodes, violently. To some degree, problems in Egypt, Turkey, Ukraine or Syria were part of reaction to identical distortion, and people being fed up with feelings of pointlessness and lack of change.

Also, why exactly you included half of my post in your reply?
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Well, I wouldn't have classed Egypt, Syria, or the Ukraine as being the kind of society I was talking about. Those were all straight-up military dictatorships.

Turkey, on the other hand, is probably the mother of all examples, with at least three military coups during the Cold War. Each one overthrew a government unacceptable to the army. In the first two cases the army shoved a new civilian government into place relatively quickly; in the third they rewrote the constitution and then held elections.

Now, this is not to deny whatever amount of corruption went on in Turkey during these years. Turkey was, from all I know of the era, a political basket case at the time. But the interesting point here is that the state did not simply decay into outright, indefinite military rule the way we'd expect. My understanding is that the Turkish generals behaved as though they actually wanted there to be a functional civil government, rather than just putting themselves in charge in perpetuity.

This is different from what we saw in Egypt and Syria during the same era, when powerful strongmen with military backing simply took over the country and set themselves up as de facto kings.

I find that interesting from a sociological point of view- how does it happen? What makes the difference between a Cold War-era Turkey and a Cold War-era Egypt?
To some degree, problems in Egypt, Turkey, Ukraine or Syria were part of reaction to identical distortion, and people being fed up with feelings of pointlessness and lack of change.
Which is fair and justified.

See, it's not that I think that this kind of civil-government-interrupted-by-coups is good, or preferable to anything else (except perhaps for outright tyranny by totalitarian police states, kleptocracy, or anarchy). It's that it's a strange phenomenon, and it somewhat bends our normal concept of what a military coup means.

Because when we hear "coup," we usually think "some military officer(s) has decided to take over control of the state and make himself (themselves) absolute ruler(s) of the country." We do not think "the military seriously intends to restore civilian government soon, under conditions more suited to its aims."
Also, why exactly you included half of my post in your reply?
Accident; forgot to delete it. Sorry.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Elheru Aran wrote:I wonder how the King will react to this? He's intervened in at least one coup before. From what I hear though his health is poor and he may not be in shape to deal with this.
We are not even sure if he is even capable of feeling anything. What Thailand really needs is a good clean deck really, but that probably won't happen anytime soon.
I did note that even Wikipedia is slightly dubious about the crown prince's ability to rule...
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Elheru Aran wrote:
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Elheru Aran wrote:I wonder how the King will react to this? He's intervened in at least one coup before. From what I hear though his health is poor and he may not be in shape to deal with this.
We are not even sure if he is even capable of feeling anything. What Thailand really needs is a good clean deck really, but that probably won't happen anytime soon.
I did note that even Wikipedia is slightly dubious about the crown prince's ability to rule...
The Thais are a funny bunch, and have some form of collective amnesia. Today, lots of people shout praises of the king and such, but 50 or so years ago, a crown prince was found with a bullet in his head and no one wanted to know why. :D
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Simon_Jester wrote:I find that interesting from a sociological point of view- how does it happen? What makes the difference between a Cold War-era Turkey and a Cold War-era Egypt?
Not sure, because I can think of counter-examples for every reason I come up with it. My best guess is that it has to do with the existence of a long-standing civilian government and society that predates the real "gelling" of the country's modern military, and especially its officer corps. That would explain partially why the military was ultimately subordinated to civilian government in Turkey, and why it wasn't in Egypt (where the military had extra legitimacy because they overthrew a British-backed monarchy) or Syria. In Thailand the pre-existing civilian government was the monarchy, not the democratic government.

But then you have the Latin American countries and their military dictatorships.
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Turkey also has Atta Turk, who, like Ghandi or Mandella, provides a very useful father of the nation rule.

Would he approve of this? No? then stop.
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