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Scary Alabama Governor
Riley makes call for prayer soldiers

03/09/03

By BILL BARROW
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HOOVER, Ala. -- Republican Gov. Bob Riley asked 700 Alabamians on Saturday to enlist as prayer soldiers on two war fronts: one in Iraq, the other right here at home.

"There is another war that is going on in this country," Riley said in his keynote address at the Christian Coalition of Alabama's 2003 Friends of the Family Celebration. "This one is far more insidious. It's one that you just can't go and attack. It's a war for the absolute soul of this country.

"God looked down on this country because this country was founded on the rock -- and that rock was our lord and savior Jesus Christ," Riley said. "And when the storms came and the rains came, the rock, it did not move. But over the last 15 or 20 years, something began to erode.

"If we are going to save this country, if we are going to re-establish that belief in God, it's up to us," Riley concluded to enthusiastic applause. "If we don't do it, who will?"

The speech highlighted an evening of religious and patriotic pageantry at the Wynfrey Hotel, complete with a pre-dinner reception, music and individual introductions of head table guests.

The gala is an annual event, during which the Christian Coalition presents its "Friend of the Family" awards to federal lawmakers whose voting records are 100 percent in line with the group's agenda, including opposition to abortion and gambling.

In his address, the governor also implored those gathered to pray daily for President Bush, especially as the country heads toward war with Iraq. Riley said he visited Bush two weeks ago in Washington.

"The president told me, 'I know I am doing what is right for this country,'" Riley said. "And, ladies and gentlemen, I believe he is right in the mission he is trying to achieve. ... The first thing you should say every morning is, 'Thank God George Bush is our president.'"

If war in Iraq becomes a reality, Riley said, American troops would not be fighting for oil or out of imperial conquest, but "for our right to worship as we see fit."

The speech concluded a week during which the Riley administration's weekly Bible studies -- one for Cabinet officers, one for gubernatorial staff -- drew national attention. The sessions are held outside business hours.

Toby Roth, Riley's chief of staff, appeared Wednesday on an MSNBC cable news show to debate Larry Darby, an activist atheist, about the appropriateness of the study groups.

"I'm going to continue to worship as I see fit whether Mr. Darby likes it or not," Riley roared Saturday.

First lady Patsy Riley, who introduced her husband, asked attendees to pray that Darby "sees our Lord Jesus."

The Rileys and Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore headed the guest list for what amounted to a Who's Who of Alabama politics. Both drew standing ovations upon their introductions.

Moore is known as the "Ten Commandments Judge" for his public displays of the Judeo-Christian laws, first in his Etowah County Circuit Court chambers and now in the Alabama Judicial Building rotunda.

In addition to the Rileys and Moore, the head table included 22 other Alabama officeholders -- 19 Republicans, three Democrats.

Among them: U.S. Sens. Richard Shelby, R-Tuscaloosa, and Jeff Sessions, R-Mobile; and U.S. Reps. Robert Aderholt, R-Haleyville, Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, Jo Bonner, R-Mobile, and Mike Rogers, R-Anniston; and nine other members of the state judiciary.

Rep. Terry Everett, R-Enterprise, was the only GOP member of the congressional delegation not present. Organizers said Everett and the state's top Democrats, Lt. Gov Lucy Baxley and House Speaker Seth Hammett, D-Andalusia, had scheduling conflicts.

Riley, Shelby, Sessions, Aderholt, Bachus, Everett and former U.S. Rep. Sonny Callahan, R-Mobile, who did not attend, received "Friend of the Family" awards.




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Ah, the wonders of religion. Is Alabama considered part of the Bible Belt?
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Darth Yoshi wrote:Ah, the wonders of religion. Is Alabama considered part of the Bible Belt?

Yeah, they're Deep Southern Fundies.
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Now, for some further comments, although nothing I say here wouldn't be immediately obvious to most people. :
HOOVER, Ala. -- Republican Gov. Bob Riley asked 700 Alabamians on Saturday to enlist as prayer soldiers on two war fronts: one in Iraq, the other right here at home.
The idea that people like this even get compared in this remote way to those that actually go out and fight is insulting.
"There is another war that is going on in this country," blah blah blah
There's the 'us vs them' mindset going again. If he could get them to take up arms for this, I bet he would.
"God looked down on this country because this country was founded on the rock -- and that rock was our lord and savior Jesus Christ," Riley said. "And when the storms came and the rains came, the rock, it did not move. But over the last 15 or 20 years, something began to erode.
Here, he effortlessly combines the 'USA found on Christainity' fallacy and the 'The past generation is making the world hell' school of thought (Which has been around for thousands of years.)
The gala is an annual event, during which the Christian Coalition presents its "Friend of the Family" awards to federal lawmakers whose voting records are 100 percent in line with the group's agenda, including opposition to abortion and gambling.
100% in line? Bleat, sheep, bleat.
'Thank God George Bush is our president.'"
The Courts of Florida are not God. Or, depending on your viewpoint, the voting populace of the United States aren't God either. *1
If war in Iraq becomes a reality, Riley said, American troops would not be fighting for oil or out of imperial conquest, but "for our right to worship as we see fit."
Please explain how you got from Point A to Point B here. I don't see any connection.
The speech concluded a week during which the Riley administration's weekly Bible studies -- one for Cabinet officers, one for gubernatorial staff -- drew national attention. The sessions are held outside business hours.
It would depend on how they use public property to do so. Not that there's too much of a doubt on that.
First lady Patsy Riley, who introduced her husband, asked attendees to pray that Darby "sees our Lord Jesus."
Jesus must be running out of altar boys.
Moore is known as the "Ten Commandments Judge" for his public displays of the Judeo-Christian laws, first in his Etowah County Circuit Court chambers and now in the Alabama Judicial Building rotunda.
Figures. Idiots.

*1 - Within most peoples definition of what would NOT be God anyway.
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Stormbringer wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:Ah, the wonders of religion. Is Alabama considered part of the Bible Belt?

Yeah, they're Deep Southern Fundies.
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"Don't blame me--I voted for the other guy."

Practically everyone I know were for either Siegelman (Democrat) or Sophocleus (Libertarian), some of them just by virtue of the "Anyone But Riley" mentality.

It's interesting that Riley pulled the Bush Maneuver: after the counts indicated Siegelman's victory, but were very close, Riley called for a recount and suddenly the votes were in his favor.
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I'm sick of this shit. The Christian pissants scream and cry for religious rights WHILE THEY PRACTICALLY RUN THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT!!!!

Where the fuck are atheist rights?! When did it become freedom OF religion and not FROM?!
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Darth Yoshi wrote:Ah, the wonders of religion. Is Alabama considered part of the Bible Belt?
Part? Hell, it's the fucking buckle!
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Darth Yoshi wrote:Ah, the wonders of religion. Is Alabama considered part of the Bible Belt?
Part? Hell, it's the fucking buckle!
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SAMAS wrote:Part? Hell, it's the fucking buckle!
Heh. I like that. [Updates his profile]
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usually, Im all part of bringing the world to usa, but can we maybe leave alabama out?
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Damnit, why didn't we just let the South go during the Civil War? I'm sure it would have brought the average American's IQ up 25 points right there.

A for the speech, it is quite scary. He's complaining about how fundies like him are being persecuted, when they're the ones in office. It's quite stupid.
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....this is clearly a insurrectionist movement! The National Guard must be dispatched to quell the rebellion!
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Dalton wrote:I'm sick of this shit. The Christian pissants scream and cry for religious rights WHILE THEY PRACTICALLY RUN THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT!!!!

Where the fuck are atheist rights?! When did it become freedom OF religion and not FROM?!
That is what I say every time a stupid christian tells me that they are beeing persecuted.
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Nothing like an irritating, ignorant, whiny born-again Christian to pervert the definition of the word "persecution" into one that is applicable to the treatment of the ruling class in the world's most powerful nation.
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What do you expect? Alabama is the state where 40% of the voters wanted to keep interracial marriage illegal as recently as 2001. The donkey-fucker ratio is high in that place.
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I just find it ironic that the fundies love Bush and hated Clinton. Clinton was Baptist, and Bush claims to be Methodist (though he refuses to talk to the Bishops' Council, since he knows they're anti-war). The clergy of the Methodist Church is beginning to write statements against Bush's policies, so religiously the next few months could be interesting. I strongly doubt we'll throw him out (I don't think we've refused to allow attendance for about a century), but the Church is starting to realize just how much of a fundamentalist Bush really is.

And those people are morons. If they want a "prayer soldier," they ought to teach people so they can become chaplains for the soldiers who want to pray. I doubt those "prayer soldiers" will ever be in harm's way during this war, unlike some of the chaplains who could end up in the line of fire unarmed.
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Darth Wong wrote:What do you expect? Alabama is the state where 40% of the voters wanted to keep interracial marriage illegal as recently as 2001. The donkey-fucker ratio is high in that place.
WTF!?!?!?

Are you serious? I didn't think it was that bad in the bible belt....
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I just find it ironic that the fundies love Bush and hated Clinton. Clinton was Baptist, and Bush claims to be Methodist (though he refuses to talk to the Bishops' Council, since he knows they're anti-war). The clergy of the Methodist Church is beginning to write statements against Bush's policies, so religiously the next few months could be interesting. I strongly doubt we'll throw him out (I don't think we've refused to allow attendance for about a century), but the Church is starting to realize just how much of a fundamentalist Bush really is.

And those people are morons. If they want a "prayer soldier," they ought to teach people so they can become chaplains for the soldiers who want to pray. I doubt those "prayer soldiers" will ever be in harm's way during this war, unlike some of the chaplains who could end up in the line of fire unarmed.
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The Dark wrote:I just find it ironic that the fundies love Bush and hated Clinton. Clinton was Baptist, and Bush claims to be Methodist (though he refuses to talk to the Bishops' Council, since he knows they're anti-war). The clergy of the Methodist Church is beginning to write statements against Bush's policies, so religiously the next few months could be interesting. I strongly doubt we'll throw him out (I don't think we've refused to allow attendance for about a century), but the Church is starting to realize just how much of a fundamentalist Bush really is.
So, he won't talk to the council of his own church about war, but he'll talk to the fucking Pope about cloning?
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That's hardly surprising. Since when has a politican sought the advice of those who oppose his views?
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