Sex before marriage is a sin... why?

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-03-17 11:04pm

Where in the Bible does it say that you're not supposed to fuck before you get married?

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-03-17 11:14pm

How many women did King David and Soloman get to fuck during their tenure? I bet it's enough to make even Clinton jealous.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-17 11:32pm

david had saul's harem, solomon had 700 wives, 400 concubines. or the reverse.

it's covered under adultery, but there seems to be exceptions.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-03-17 11:35pm

Uraniun235 wrote:Where in the Bible does it say that you're not supposed to fuck before you get married?

A quick example of this, is something that comes from Paul in his first letter to the Corinthians. (The Skeptic's Annotated Bible is a really useful tool for finding such things. http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com) He generally disapproves of sex in general but he says:

1 Corinthians 7:9 wrote: But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

(Emphasis mine.)

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-03-18 12:01am

Paul was a fanatical prick.

Anyone reading his shit about burning for being a human being and realizes that this is really what the apostle believed should realize Christianity is a pile of steaming shit.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-18 12:46am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Paul was a fanatical prick.

Anyone reading his shit about burning for being a human being and realizes that this is really what the apostle believed should realize Christianity is a pile of steaming shit.

A lot the apostales believed that kind of crap. Typical misgynism of the times.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-03-18 01:46am

Incidentally, even at the height of the Church's power in Europe, very few people paid strict attention to this. Since it was only possible for people in farming communities to get married outside of the harvest/planting seasons, it was common for people to live together for several months having decided to get married, but not having actually had the time to go through with the ceremony just yet.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-03-18 03:16pm

I believe in that rule because it helps prevent unwanted pregnancy, and STD transmission. If two people have sex and later on get married, they have sinned, but no one was hurt. God would forgive them for that.

People seem to think that because God hate sin, he hates sinners. God hates sin because it seperates us from him. But it's not like sin is something God won't forgive.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-03-18 03:29pm

Fukkit, didn't mean to post twice.

(And i'm aware of the contradictory sentiments this third post expreses, so don't bother pointing that out.)

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-18 03:37pm

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty.html

god seems to hate sinners well enough, too. . .

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-18 03:39pm

Paul needs a blow job.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-03-18 03:55pm

Durandal wrote:Paul needs a blow job.

that's the spirit! if the apostles had gotten a bounce of head now and then, sucking dick would have been a sacrament!

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-18 03:58pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Durandal wrote:Paul needs a blow job.
that's the spirit! if the apostles had gotten a bounce of head now and then, sucking dick would have been a sacrament!

And I'd still be Catholic.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-03-18 04:01pm

Durandal wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:
Durandal wrote:Paul needs a blow job.
that's the spirit! if the apostles had gotten a bounce of head now and then, sucking dick would have been a sacrament!
And I'd still be Catholic.

alehluia to that brother! Although the priests may have beaten us to the punch on that one.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-18 04:03pm

Then we'll make it the Sacrament of getting a blow job from a Catholic school girl virgin ...

In uniform.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-03-18 04:07pm

Anyone reading his shit about burning for being a human being and realizes that this is really what the apostle believed should realize Christianity is a pile of steaming shit.

Of course! Paul is Christ! Why didn't I figure this out beforehand!

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-18 04:21pm

HemlockGrey wrote:
Anyone reading his shit about burning for being a human being and realizes that this is really what the apostle believed should realize Christianity is a pile of steaming shit.
Of course! Paul is Christ! Why didn't I figure this out beforehand!

Ah ... but he was "divinely inspired," remember?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-03-18 04:40pm

Setzer wrote:I believe in that rule because it helps prevent unwanted pregnancy, and STD transmission. If two people have sex and later on get married, they have sinned, but no one was hurt. God would forgive them for that.

People seem to think that because God hate sin, he hates sinners. God hates sin because it seperates us from him. But it's not like sin is something God won't forgive.

Calling premarital sex a sin is another way of calling it wrong. You stated things that could happen if your not careful but you haven't given any reason why it is wrong.

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-03-18 04:49pm

I think it was inserted in the Scriptures by jealous guys that could never get any.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-03-18 04:52pm

Ah ... but he was "divinely inspired," remember?

IIRC, Jesus said to go forth and spread the Word. He did not dictate to Paul, nor did he say 'Go Forth and Spread Your Version of the Word Whilst Claiming It As the Gospel Truth', which is what Paul did.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-18 05:02pm

HemlockGrey wrote:
Ah ... but he was "divinely inspired," remember?
IIRC, Jesus said to go forth and spread the Word. He did not dictate to Paul, nor did he say 'Go Forth and Spread Your Version of the Word Whilst Claiming It As the Gospel Truth', which is what Paul did.

So what parts of the Bible do you accept as true? Only the parts you happen to like?

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-03-18 05:08pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Paul was a fanatical prick.

Anyone reading his shit about burning for being a human being and realizes that this is really what the apostle believed should realize Christianity is a pile of steaming shit.

That's not what Paul meant. He was speaking on celibacy. If you can't remain celibate to devote yourself to doing God's work, then it's best that you get find a nice little woman and get married otherwise the temptation to sin would be too great. Read before you try to flame.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-03-18 05:53pm

So what parts of the Bible do you accept as true? Only the parts you happen to like?

The parts that make sense to me. Paul's blabberings on various topics do not make sense because he is claiming they are Holy Writ, when they are merely his opinions on matter X. I do not dismiss them entirely; there is perhaps some nuggets of gold among them; but I resent the implication that they should be used as the foundation for a belief in Christ.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-18 06:02pm

HemlockGrey wrote:
So what parts of the Bible do you accept as true? Only the parts you happen to like?
The parts that make sense to me. Paul's blabberings on various topics do not make sense because he is claiming they are Holy Writ, when they are merely his opinions on matter X. I do not dismiss them entirely; there is perhaps some nuggets of gold among them; but I resent the implication that they should be used as the foundation for a belief in Christ.

How do you define, "make sense"?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-03-18 06:08pm

Trytostaydead wrote:That's not what Paul meant. He was speaking on celibacy. If you can't remain celibate to devote yourself to doing God's work, then it's best that you get find a nice little woman and get married otherwise the temptation to sin would be too great. Read before you try to flame.

And how does it detract from "doing God's work" to have sex?

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