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I'm surprised at the lack of a thread on this. It is an admittedly horrifying thing to contemplate.

The legacy of Jimmy Saville strikes again, this time in that hive of scum and villainy known as Westminster

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Judges, peers and MPs are among 20 prominent public figures who abused children for decades, a former child protection manager has said.
Peter McKelvie, who worked on the conviction of paedophile Peter Righton, said there was a “powerful elite” of paedophiles who carried out “the worst form” of abuse.
There is evidence linking the former politicians to an alleged paedophile network, he said.

Lord Warner, the former health minister, said the allegations were credible.

Mr McKelvie triggered a police investigation in 2012 when he revealed there were seven boxes of potential evidence of a powerful paedophile network, including letters between Righton and other paedophiles, being stored by West Mercia Police.

The former child protection manager in Hereford and Worcestershire said: “I believe there is a lot of strong evidence, and information that can be converted into evidence if it is investigated properly, that there has been an extremely powerful elite, amongst the highest levels of the political classes, for as long as I have been alive.

“There has been sufficient reason to investigate it over and over again certainly for the past thirty years, and there has always been a block, and the cover-up and collusion, to prevent that happening.”

“We are looking at the Lords, the Commons, the judiciary – all institutions where there will be a small percentage of paedophiles, and a slightly larger percentage of people who have known about it but have felt in terms of their own self-interest and self-preservation and for political party reasons it has been safer cover it up rather than deal with it,” he told the BBC.

“I would say we are looking at upwards of 20 [people] and a much larger number of people who have known about it and done nothing about it, who were in a position to do something about it,” he said.
The alleged abuse involved rape, beatings and being moved between paedophiles “like a lump of meat”.

Lord Warner, the former Labour health minister, said the claims were “possibly true”.

Children’s homes provided “supply lines” for child abuse and were targeted by “people in power” during the 1980s, he said.
“Sexual abuse of children is a power drive, that's what a lot of it is about.

“What I am suggesting is that it's possible that people who were authoritative, powerful, in particular communities did sometimes have access to children's homes.
"I had to fire two managers of children's homes... for abusing children in their care.”

Today Mark Sedwill, the permanent secretary of the Home Office, will be questioned by MPs on the Home Affairs Select Committee.

He oversaw last year’s review of how the department handled allegations from MP Geoffery Dickens, in the form of a dossier handed to Home Secretary Leon Brittan, about an establishment paedophile ring.

The review found the allegations were handled properly but the questioning is likely to focus on the 114 “potentially relevant files” that the review found had been lost or destroyed.

Yesterday Theresa May, the Home Secretary, announced two new inquiries. Political parties and MI5 will have their files examined in a probe into allegations of child sex abuse by politicians, while the BBC and religious organisations would fall under the remit of a major new inquiry into whether those in power turned a blind eye to abuse claims.
Lord Warner said the Home Secretary must “clean the Augean stables” in order to maintain public trust in the establishment.
and todays morally dubious appointment goes to....

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Lady Butler-Sloss, the retired high court judge appointed as chair of the inquiry panel examining child abuse, faced a backlash on Wednesday as Labour MPs and a victims' lawyer called on her to stand down over conflict of interest.

The Home Office was forced to defend the appointment of Butler-Sloss "unreservedly" after critics pointed out that her brother, the late Lord Havers, was attorney general from 1979 to 1987 when some of the controversy over the failure to prosecute child abuse cases could have arisen.

Havers, who later served briefly as lord chancellor, backed the decision of the director of public prosecutions not to prosecute Sir Peter Hayman, a diplomat and subscriber to the Paedophile Information Exchange. Hayman was caught sending paedophile literature through the post but was not prosecuted.

Butler-Sloss insisted she had been unaware of reports saying her brother tried to prevent the former MP Geoffrey Dickens airing claims about the diplomat in parliament in the 1980s. "I know absolutely nothing about it," she told the BBC. "If people think I am not suitable then that's up to them."

But Alison Millar, a lawyer with Leigh Day, who is representing some of the victims of child abuse, likened the appointment of Butler-Sloss to asking a relative of the head of South Yorkshire police to chair the Hillsborough enquiry. Millar told The World at One on BBC Radio 4: "Baroness Butler-Sloss is an extremely eminent legal figure with a very distinguished career. However, it has become apparent that she has very close connections to the very establishment this inquiry will be investigating – namely her brother.

"To give an analogy, it would be rather like appointing someone who was a close relative of the head of South Yorkshire police, however eminent a judge, to chair the Hillsborough inquiry. [The inquiry] will lose credibility.

"Picking someone who will be seen at the start potentially by survivors as someone who is very much of the establishment, linked to the establishment at the time, is not going to give people any confidence to come forward and be frank and fearless in front of this inquiry."

Butler-Sloss, 80, was appointed on Monday by the home secretary, Theresa May, to chair the panel of enquiry that will examine handling of child abuse allegations by public institutions. May cited Butler-Sloss's work as chair of the Cleveland child abuse enquiry in the late 1980s.

The actor Nigel Havers, son of the late attorney general and nephew of Butler-Sloss, rallied to his aunt's defence. He told The World at One on BBC Radio 4: "I know my aunt very well. Had she felt any form of bias, or any idea that she shouldn't be doing this inquiry she would have pulled out this morning. The very fact she hasn't means to me she feels she has absolutely had no political ties to my father and knew nothing about what was going on in the House of Commons at that time. Therefore she has every right to lead the inquiry.

"I know her well enough to know she is totally honest, totally transparent, highly respected and very, very, good at her job. I don't think the fact that my father was attorney general at the time makes any difference whatsoever."

But Emily Thornberry, the shadow attorney general, criticised the Home Office for apparently failing to take account of the role of Butler-Sloss's brother as attorney general in the 1980s. Thornberry told the Daily Politics show on BBC2: "I don't question this admirable, extraordinary woman's integrity … but I'm surprised the Home Office didn't look at this, because I think they have put her in a very difficult position."

Harriet Harman, Labour's deputy leader, highlighted party concerns, saying perception was important and victims had to have confidence in the inquiry. Harman told The World at One: "It is a Home Office appointment. It is not our appointment. But we are supporting it being as open and transparent as possible. We absolutely respect Elizabeth Butler-Sloss but we are determined that the victims must have confidence in it, and perception is important."

Simon Danczuk, the Labour MP who has played a leading role in calling for a full enquiry into allegations claiming public institutions failed to deal with child abuse, said: "She's part of the establishment and that raises concerns, and the relationship in terms of her brother is too close for comfort. I think that's the conclusion most people will reach."

A Home Office spokesperson said: "Baroness Butler-Sloss has had a long and distinguished career at the highest levels of this country's legal system. Her work leading the Cleveland child abuse inquiry and as president of the high court's family division make her the perfect person to lead this important piece of work. As the permanent secretary told the home affairs select committee yesterday, the integrity of Baroness Butler-Sloss is beyond reproach and we stand by her appointment unreservedly."

The row over Butler-Sloss came as David Cameron indicated that the government might change the law to accept a recommendation by the NSPCC to enforce mandatory reporting of child abuse.

The prime minister spoke out after Peter Wanless, chief executive of the NSPCC, who is leading a Home Office review into the handling of papers relating to child abuse, called for a new criminal offence to cover failure to report child abuse.

Cameron said: "Should we change the law so that there is a requirement to report, and make it a criminal offence not to report? The government is currently looking at that. It may well be time to take that sort of step forward."
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A decades old cabal of high profile ministers/lords/civil servants are thought to have been pedophiles and managed to cover it up, and silence those who were going to reveal them. There are a number of theories bouncing around about if this is how Saville managed to get away with it until after his death. Another possible addition is that the alleged abuse at Haut de la Garenne and other such....institutions may also be connected, but as with all such things, you can see links and patterns in an attempt to try and make something seem logical.
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I do hope this doesn't turn into a witch-hunt, though- which it's easy to do once you move from prosecuting people who actually committed pedophilic acts, towards prosecuting the people who "should have done something."
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Personally, I'm inclined to take these allegations with a large grain of salt until and unless those seven boxes of evidence are produced in court. If they were the solid, beyond-reasonable-doubt paper trail McKelvie appears to believe they are, why hasn't some ambitious young CID officer realised there's promotion and public acclaim in the offing and bypassed official channels?
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Zaune wrote:If they were the solid, beyond-reasonable-doubt paper trail McKelvie appears to believe they are, why hasn't some ambitious young CID officer realised there's promotion and public acclaim in the offing and bypassed official channels?
Ha ha ha.

You mean, ambitious, young, soon to be ex-CID officer? If these people were so high, they probably had the connections to make a phone to kick him out. After all, people did willingly cover up and ignore worse things.
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Irbis wrote:You mean, ambitious, young, soon to be ex-CID officer? If these people were so high, they probably had the connections to make a phone to kick him out. After all, people did willingly cover up and ignore worse things.
And send the still ambitious and now righteously pissed off ex-CID officer straight to the Times or the Guardian with everything they could photocopy and smuggle out of the building?
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Jesus. This is something I half-jokingly mused on a few years back as the ultimate kind of worst-case scenario; a paedophile cabal operating within the highest echelons of government. Now we're slowly finding out this might actually be the case.
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As important as this is, there was a worrying note in the Times today saying that with all the extra effort going into hunting down and prosecuting "historic" paedophiles, there's a lot less effort being spent on finding current ones.

And while it probably isn't true, it does smack a little of "which famous person's reputation can we destroy for something done years ago this week" rather than what it should be "let's find guys doing this now so they can't hurt anyone else."

Note: Please do not take this as me saying that those who have cmottied such acts in th past should not be prosecuted. I simply feel that we should focus on stopping those who are still comitting such acts.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:As important as this is, there was a worrying note in the Times today saying that with all the extra effort going into hunting down and prosecuting "historic" paedophiles, there's a lot less effort being spent on finding current ones.

And while it probably isn't true, it does smack a little of "which famous person's reputation can we destroy for something done years ago this week" rather than what it should be "let's find guys doing this now so they can't hurt anyone else."

Note: Please do not take this as me saying that those who have cmottied such acts in th past should not be prosecuted. I simply feel that we should focus on stopping those who are still comitting such acts.
Maybe they aren't molesting children at this very moment, but what if they were helping other pedos to molest children and teaching them how to get away with it? When the corruption is this high up you've got to dig deep.
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I absolutely agree with that, but like I said, if all the effort and resources thrown into this comes at the expense of investigations into those who are actively hurting children right now, then it's going to cause problems.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:I absolutely agree with that, but like I said, if all the effort and resources thrown into this comes at the expense of investigations into those who are actively hurting children right now, then it's going to cause problems.
To be honest that's a bit like arguing the police shouldn't look into a thefts because murders might be happening.
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Not really. I'm saying that investigating past paedophiles should not necessarily take priority over investigating and stopping current paedophiles.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:As important as this is, there was a worrying note in the Times today saying that with all the extra effort going into hunting down and prosecuting "historic" paedophiles, there's a lot less effort being spent on finding current ones.

And while it probably isn't true, it does smack a little of "which famous person's reputation can we destroy for something done years ago this week" rather than what it should be "let's find guys doing this now so they can't hurt anyone else."
I wonder how much if any of this is a result of a new generation of high level pedophiles diverting attention from them self by sacrificing the last one?
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:Not really. I'm saying that investigating past paedophiles should not necessarily take priority over investigating and stopping current paedophiles.
Which is still silly. Do you think they're incapable of investigating more than one thing at a time?
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Of course they are, but when you have police officers warning that the amount of effort going into this new investigation will limit investigations into current paedophiles, it's concerning, isn't it?
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:Of course they are, but when you have police officers warning that the amount of effort going into this new investigation will limit investigations into current paedophiles, it's concerning, isn't it?
Maybe, but how big is the backlash from this going to be? How many cases are going to have to be reopened or thrown out because they can't trust the evidence chain or the judgments handed down?
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Zaune wrote:And send the still ambitious and now righteously pissed off ex-CID officer straight to the Times or the Guardian with everything they could photocopy and smuggle out of the building?
The Times, you mean newspaper owned by Murdoch? The guy very likely sharing a lot with your old, conservative, rich, aristocratic, connected paedophile?

Also, I meant this case, where much larger scandal didn't interested anyone for decades, despite no big players being interested in hushing it and the whole thing being pretty in the open.
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