Hunger Games: Mockingjay part 1 trailer

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Not having read any of the books, looks like it'll be a straight up war picture, so I'm interested in seeing it.

Also, since this is SD.net, anyone want to try and calculate the hovercraft destroying arrow?

[NecronLord]

Don't think it can be done, as it's not an inert target.

[Zor]

Don't think it can be done, as it's not an inert target.

Given the technological resources that District 13 has it might be a seeker arrow.

Zor

[Grumman]

"Part 1"? Would it kill them to just make one book one movie?

[Mr Bean]

"Part 1"? Would it kill them to just make one book one movie?

I'm guessing they are going to Hobbit it as Book 3 is supposedly not a film-able book in raw form. You start creating storylines and expanding bits and you run over. You have two choices... one is to cut the other is a second movie. The second option is almost never taken because studios don't want to waste money... but on proven things like the Hunger Games they are not going to look to the editor to make a great 3 hour movie but instead let the director create two two hour movies by leaving all the junk in and adding new junk.

[Terralthra]

Cutting the junk out of the Hunger Games series would've started and ended with pitching the books and any cellulose into the bin.

[Mr Bean]

Cutting the junk out of the Hunger Games series would've started and ended with pitching the books and any cellulose into the bin.

Making you two billion dollars poorer. Something tells me the suites would not be amendable to your suggestion.

[Gandalf]

Cutting the junk out of the Hunger Games series would've started and ended with pitching the books and any cellulose into the bin.

Making you two billion dollars poorer. Something tells me the suites would not be amendable to your suggestion.

Say what you will about the quality of the films, they are fun ways to spend a few hours.

[NecronLord]

I honestly don't get why people don't like it. Why is it that people discuss Star Wars - surely intended for a family audience - and disparage Hunger Games, intended for a teen audience. Now, I've seen the first two films, they didn't exactly rock my world, but they are far, far from the worst sci fi I've seen this year.

[Terralthra]

I haven't seen the movies at all. I read the books, which were like someone had taken standard YA scifi books and replaced all the main characters with androids who periodically - at critical moments - do the dumbest fucking thing they can think of. Not to mention the laughably poor world-building throughout.

They were painful to read. Maybe the movies fix all the stupid things about the books...but I doubt it.

[NecronLord]

Could you provide some examples? And for bonus points illustrate why real life teenagers wouldn't do the same thing?

[Grumman]

I honestly don't get why people don't like it. Why is it that people discuss Star Wars - surely intended for a family audience - and disparage Hunger Games, intended for a teen audience. Now, I've seen the first two films, they didn't exactly rock my world, but they are far, far from the worst sci fi I've seen this year.

The books are worse than the movies. I want to be able to empathise with Katniss, but the way she is written makes that very hard to do. In the first book there's like one chapter where Katniss is written like someone who does not actually deserve this. One chapter where Katniss recognises the fact that she's been sentenced to die and grieves as one might expect a teenager to grieve, and the rest of the time she's either showing way too much respect for the people who are going to watch her die or thinking like a goddamn sociopath. Oh, and Peeta comes off as a skeevy Nice Guy.

The second book is better, due to having some great secondary characters. Spoiler

Like the old lady who recognises her time is coming to an end, and so sacrifices her life twice over to save the lives of others.

[Adam Reynolds]

The books are worse than the movies. I want to be able to empathise with Katniss, but the way she is written makes that very hard to do. In the first book there's like one chapter where Katniss is written like someone who does not actually deserve this. One chapter where Katniss recognises the fact that she's been sentenced to die and grieves as one might expect a teenager to grieve, and the rest of the time she's either showing way too much respect for the people who are going to watch her die or thinking like a goddamn sociopath. Oh, and Peeta comes off as a skeevy Nice Guy.

I think the fundamental problem with the books is that like most citizens of the first world, Suzanne Collins has no idea what it is actually like to live in what is essentially a third world country. Thus you get massive inconsistencies with Katniss's narration. One oft referenced example was when Katniss threw away cookies simply because they came from Peeta's father. A person living in such an environment where she was genuinely hungry much of the time would never be so petty. This is made worse by the fact that she then complains about the waste of food in Catching Fire. For the teen audience this is largely irrelevant, but for more sophisticated readers it can be problematic at times.

The movies largely get around this problem by not having a narrator and deleting several of the problematic issues.

[Thanas]

The books suffer from a lack of decent editorship, whereas the movies are good popcorn stuff until you look at the inconsistencies (For example, the districts are shown to be essentially serving the capital's needs). But they do so very inefficiently - almost as if somebody said "exploitation = 1830s industry condition, go". Instead of the capital simply using their highly advanced robotics and disposing of the districts.

It is pretty much like what amateurs would imagine exploitation of a slave class to look like.

[Grumman]

I think the fundamental problem with the books is that like most citizens of the first world, Suzanne Collins has no idea what it is actually like to live in what is essentially a third world country. Thus you get massive inconsistencies with Katniss's narration. One oft referenced example was when Katniss threw away cookies simply because they came from Peeta's father. A person living in such an environment where she was genuinely hungry much of the time would never be so petty.

Whereas I think the fundamental problem with the books is that Suzanne Collins doesn't get that she's writing a book about forcing children to murder each other. Katniss throwing the cookies away does not bother me because there's nothing simple about a sixteen year old receiving gifts from the family of someone she might have to kill, or who might try to kill her.

[Raw Shark]

I honestly don't get why people don't like it. Why is it that people discuss Star Wars - surely intended for a family audience - and disparage Hunger Games, intended for a teen audience. Now, I've seen the first two films, they didn't exactly rock my world, but they are far, far from the worst sci fi I've seen this year.

My problem with the Hunger Games, as an Eagle Scout, is that the author did not do any research with regard to wilderness survival and then wrote a protagonist who wins mostly because she is super awesome at wilderness survival. EG: When Katniss gets nothing but a bottle from the cornucopia, I thought, "A-ha! Obviously this is how she defeats dehydration for the first couple of days and gains an initial advantage." Then she nearly dies of dehydration while toting around and not peeing in that bottle, and I just want to fucking choke her.

Also, the lack of third-world mentality mentioned above. At one point in the books, the narrative specifically mentions that Greasy Sae will pay good money for wild dog meat, and at another Katniss mentions that she and Gale only shoot wild dogs (which not only are worth money, but compete with them - a couple of subsistence hunters - for game) in self defense, for no particular reason given in the text (I'm guessing Collins is a dog person and saw this as an easy example of how admirable her heroine is, but for half-starved people it just rings completely false).

[Adam Reynolds]

My problem with the Hunger Games, as an Eagle Scout, is that the author did not do any research with regard to wilderness survival and then wrote a protagonist who wins mostly because she is super awesome at wilderness survival. EG: When Katniss gets nothing but a bottle from the cornucopia, I thought, "A-ha! Obviously this is how she defeats dehydration for the first couple of days and gains an initial advantage." Then she nearly dies of dehydration while toting around and not peeing in that bottle, and I just want to fucking choke her.

I was left with that general feeling as well, though I couldn't think of any particular examples off the top of my head. Though I can see why a young adult book/movie would avoid showing Katniss peeing into a bottle.

It seems fair to say that the author did not do much research on anything.

[Raw Shark]

My problem with the Hunger Games, as an Eagle Scout, is that the author did not do any research with regard to wilderness survival and then wrote a protagonist who wins mostly because she is super awesome at wilderness survival. EG: When Katniss gets nothing but a bottle from the cornucopia, I thought, "A-ha! Obviously this is how she defeats dehydration for the first couple of days and gains an initial advantage." Then she nearly dies of dehydration while toting around and not peeing in that bottle, and I just want to fucking choke her.

I was left with that general feeling as well, though I couldn't think of any particular examples off the top of my head. Though I can see why a young adult book/movie would avoid showing Katniss peeing into a bottle.

Yeah, well, it's not like they'd have to be graphic about it. They could show her stumble out of a bush, look really grim, and choke it down without even making it a clear bottle. Imagine the impact a book this popular could've had if it contained real survival and first aid tips. Some kids' lives could've been saved some day.

It seems fair to say that the author did not do much research on anything.

Don't even get me started on the sociology of it. If the government just randomly comes in and kills some of your kids in front of you every year for being obedient, how much worse can they really do to people who buck the system? And we're to believe that there hasn't been a revolution in 74 years?

[Raw Shark]

Don't think it can be done, as it's not an inert target.

Given the technological resources that District 13 has it might be a seeker arrow.

All we can do is speculate unless the movie gives us an explanation. The book tells us nothing at all except that whatever the fuck it does has voice recognition and activation; Beetee (aka: A Wizard) doesn't even explain it to Katniss in a, "Then he explained what it did," hand-wave.