Penn & Teller do Creationism

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-03-16 10:03pm

HemlockGrey wrote:I'm TheBlackCy. I don't think I'll participate much; not much else I can say that hasn't been said.

I've figured that out.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-03-16 10:19pm

Ugh, evolution is not science! Part 2, the big bang

THis one will be short. The big bang did NOT happen. If it did, as soon as gravity came into effect it would have pulled everything back into a singularity. Crushed everything immediately. Gravity formed according to the theory in the first fraction of a second. This is always ignored.

Second, the theory is based solely on apparent red shift or stretching of light. This happens if object is moving away, so it was assumed that all galaxies are moving away from us. Therefore going backwards in time, they would all be moving toward one spot and therefore orginated from one mass. THIS IS ONLY A THOUGHT GAME BASED ON LITTLE EVIDENCE. We live in a world now that to explain astronomical observations have invented dark forces and dark matter that we know nothing about and can't observe. More voodoo science. Furthermore, the orginal redshifts of light is proportional to the distance of the object. Thus the longer the light travels the more stretched it becomes. Maybe one of those dark forces do this? Maybe even gravity? But no we can't have the simple solution......Sherlock Holmes be damned.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Pistolero · Post by **Pistolero** » 2003-03-19 04:35pm

Did anyone capture this show on DiVX or MPEG formats?

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-03-19 09:30pm

Strafe wrote:Penn said creationists were idiots, and he certainly picked and chose his video edits to support this. Only the most inflammatory evidence "against" creation was shown, and even the comments of those in favor of creation were heavily edited. Dr. Duane Gish is an old man, in his 80s, and old men speak with halting words. Dr. Gish has been debating evolutionists for 30+ years in a public forum, and every single debate he has WON! That's because the evolutionists have no evidence to present, they quickly revert to name-calling, insulting language, and dismissing the whole debate as inappropriate and stupid. They HAVE to resort to this bullshit, because they have NO real evidence to present. Meanwhile, Dr. Gish and the usual creation defender has facts, reason, logic, and an abundance of interpretation to offer.

Wow.

http://showtime.infopop.net/1/OpenTopic ... 2271963526

Perhaps Dr. Gish would like to eplain how he won the debates. Did he used logical debating and evidence, or did he repeat the same statement over and over again until the opponent conceded form frustration?

Also, they claim the Creationists have facts, logic, and reason on their side. I'm sure it's the same stuff DarkStar claims to have.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-19 11:05pm

The only way for Gish to "win" the debate would be for him to formally submit a paper on creationism to a reputable biological or astrophysical journal, at which point it would be sent back with the equivalent of 10 pens'-worth of red ink splattered on it in the form of corrections, with a big fat "F" at the end.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-03-20 12:12am

Lets invade.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-20 12:15am

Alyeska wrote:Lets invade.

Huh?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-03-20 12:17am

Durandal wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Lets invade.
Huh?

The forum

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-20 01:03am

Oh, okay. I got confused, considering that we're invading Iraq right now.

DarthBlight · Post by **DarthBlight** » 2003-03-20 11:17am

I'd join you all over there, but I am not a biologist and really none of these guys have posted anything less stupid than what I see in the AOL evolution forums.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-03-20 11:48am

Darth Wong wrote:WITNESS: Officer Peterson recovered the weapon at the crime scene. The suspect's fingerprints are on the gun, the ballistics match the bullet found lodged in the victim's body, and the victim's body was found in the trunk of the suspect's car when we stopped him for a broken taillight.

DEFENSE LAWYER: Ahhh, but you didn't actually see the suspect fire the gun, did you?

WITNESS: Well no, but-

DEFENSE LAWYER: So in essence, you have no direct observation, hence no evidence!

WITNESS: What? We have fingerprints, ballistics, and a body!

DEFENSE LAWYER: None of which is direct observation. You did not actually SEE the bullet hit the victim's body, did you? And what about the holes in your theory? Can you explain the oddly contorted position the victim was in? Can you explain the unusually large amount of cash found on his body?

WITNESS: Well no, but how does that change the fact that the suspect was driving around with a dead body, and his fingerprints are on the-

DEFENSE LAWYER: So you admit that you cannot explain all of the facts! And yet you expect us to accept this theory of yours?

You should put a page about this on your "Creationism vs Science" site.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-03-20 11:58am

No invasions or Talk of invasions PLEASE!

it just makes this whole group look like a bunch of trolls when someone does this publicly...

Carry it on in a PRIVATE location (IM, PM, Email, etc)

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-03-20 05:21pm

As much fun as it is to deal with hordes of creationists and fundies, no thanks.