Avengers: Age of Ultron Leak

[Ahriman238]

Well yeah. Don't know if this is spoiler-y since I read it in a public article, and I assume no one on a leak thread much cares, but for paranoia's sake.
Spoiler

Entertainment article over the summer said in the MCU it's not Pym that creates Ultron, it's Tony Stark. As a more militarized AI than JARVIS to complete the "Iron Man, without the man" concept from IM3 since JARVIS didn't exactly do spectaculraly in that fight. Also because there's no SHIELD anymore. No safety net.

Apparently the action begins shortly after a fancy dress party with the Avengers trying to convince politicians and VIPs that even without SHIELD, they're perfectly safe. Than unmanned IM suits attack.

Also, that Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and Vision are all in the movie, but will at least start out on Team Ultron.

[Grumman]

Then, later on, there's a glimpse of Captain America's shield broken in half, which means he's going to need to find a source of vibranium in order to get it fixed.

You can't just melt down the vibranium you already have and cast a new shield?

[GuppyShark]

Spoiler

Entertainment article over the summer said in the MCU it's not Pym that creates Ultron, it's Tony Stark. As a more militarized AI than JARVIS to complete the "Iron Man, without the man" concept from IM3 since JARVIS didn't exactly do spectacularly in that fight.

Spoiler

The trailer gave me the impression that Ultron was Jarvis unfettered.

Stark talking about how this is where his journey has led, and Ultron going on about how nobody controls him, "Iron Man" fighting the Hulk, Ultron initiating the house party protocol, etc.

So Ultron = Jarvis 2.0 is not surprising.

[Iroscato]

Well that looks fucking incredible, obviously going for the 'sequel is darker' vibe, not that I'm complaining. I love the concept for the Hulkbuster, essentially an Iron Man suit for an Iron Man suit
Oooh boy. Next year can't come soon enough...

[Enigma]

I saw a screenshot of what looked like an easter egg of the TARDIS in it. It is Cap is riding a motorbike.

[SpottedKitty]

Then, later on, there's a glimpse of Captain America's shield broken in half, which means he's going to need to find a source of vibranium in order to get it fixed.

You can't just melt down the vibranium you already have and cast a new shield?

I haven't seen the CA films, but going by comics lore, wasn't the alloy recipe and manufacturing process lost when the shield was originally made? Without both, recreating it would be a million-to-one chance.

Of course, according to the Teachings of the Great Pterry, million-to-one chances happen nine times out of ten...

[Lord Revan]

in the First Avenger they said that it was the grand total of vibranium they had but there was no indication that they couldn't make another one should the need arise and they were given the supplies.

[Tomzilla]

I'm guessing that the public, leaders and the Avengers will decide that Banner is too dangerous to be kept around and hello Planet Hulk setup.

Regarding the possibility of transitioning the Planet Hulk storyline into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I think it would be cool to integrate that into the Guardians of the Galaxy sequel. Imagine the Guardians crossing paths with Banner/Hulk while the latter competes in a gladiatorial arena. That leaves room for so much potential, which sums up my thoughts on the MCU as a whole.


The trailer was legendary. I watched it for the first time on my phone while riding in the car with my girlfriend. She found my excited, high-pitched screams to be very amusing. Where to begin? Ultron is already an intimidating villain in my eyes. Here's hoping Ultron is made of vibranium, which is what Captain America's shield is composed of.

Hulk vs. Iron Hulkbuster! It's a dream come true. I have no idea if the Hulkbuster is being controlled by Tony Stark or Ultron. Personally, I think it's the former, given how messed up Hulk looks. Something or someone must've agitated him to make him go berserk. At the end of The Winter Soldier, we saw Loki's scepter in the hands of HYDRA. Did they use it to mind control Hulk? Did the Scarlet Witch hex him? Or has the Hulk finally lived up to Banner's omen about being a time bomb.

Why did Thor drop his hammer? Is it because he's no longer worthy? This could be a possibility, since Thor isn't wielding Mjolnir in most of the scenes in the trailer. Thor also looks very pissed off at Tony Stark, probably because he just found out Tony was responsible for Ultron's inception.

Thor's motionless arm was seen next to Captain America's shattered shield. Is Thor dead? We know Captain America will live, because he and Tony Stark are supposed to clash in his next movie. But we haven't received confirmation about a third Thor movie yet. If we do, there's a big chance the events of this film will act as a catalyst for a possible Ragnorak plot.

Either way, if this is a glimpse of the film's climactic battle, we're in for quite a brutal showdown.

I can't wait!

[LadyTevar]

It could also be that Ultron initially uses the Iron Man armor or some variation of it (there is the Avengers A on the chest piece of zombie-Ultron) along with the Hulk to cause all the devastation we see.

There is a quick shot of a LOT of IronSuits climbing and flying up out of the ocean. So yes, Ultron is controlling the suits, and is most likely inside the Hulkbuster.

I also want to point out that we did see an alpha version in IronMan3 with the radio-controlled suit(s), and we also saw that a suit can and did move by itself into Tony's bedroom. I'm thinking the bug in Ultron's programming may have it's root there. Hell, maybe even further back, with Hammer's little robot toys!

[Havok]

It could also be that Ultron initially uses the Iron Man armor or some variation of it (there is the Avengers A on the chest piece of zombie-Ultron) along with the Hulk to cause all the devastation we see.

There is a quick shot of a LOT of IronSuits climbing and flying up out of the ocean. So yes, Ultron is controlling the suits, and is most likely inside the Hulkbuster.

I also want to point out that we did see an alpha version in IronMan3 with the radio-controlled suit(s), and we also saw that a suit can and did move by itself into Tony's bedroom. I'm thinking the bug in Ultron's programming may have it's root there. Hell, maybe even further back, with Hammer's little robot toys!

After my 35th or so viewing, I think I can safely say that what is crawling up the rock face and out of the water are Ultrons and not suits. However the initial suits, the blue and white one Ultron crushes the head of and Ultron, clearly have internal workings that make them automated robots and not suits.

[Havok]

I'm guessing, in the absence of SHIELD and due to the Chitari invasion Stark makes a force of automated suits, sorta like the Guardsmen. Ultron learns an algorithm gets daddy issues blah blah, which leads to this movie and which will eventually lead to Civil War and then finally Infinity Gauntlet and Thanos wrapping that up and all the movies tying in and together to beat him and then to the Beyonder and Secret Wars. If I have my movie chronology correct.

[Simon_Jester]

in the First Avenger they said that it was the grand total of vibranium they had but there was no indication that they couldn't make another one should the need arise and they were given the supplies.

In Iron Man 2, Tony Stark is supposed to have discovered vibranium (or that's what it's called) and to be using it for the cores for his arc reactors. Which of course makes no sense when you combine that with the idea that the stuff was around in the 1940s in multi-kilogram quantities.

On the other hand, maybe in the '40s Howard Stark had some samples and knew how to work the stuff, but not how to synthesize it or where to find more. In which case it would make sense that he might be frustrated by failure to master this secret, and try to pass it on to Stark.

So even if the means to synthesize vibranium didn't exist back then, they might exist now- either Stark's technique, or some other.

[Terralthra]

in the First Avenger they said that it was the grand total of vibranium they had but there was no indication that they couldn't make another one should the need arise and they were given the supplies.

In Iron Man 2, Tony Stark is supposed to have discovered vibranium (or that's what it's called) and to be using it for the cores for his arc reactors. Which of course makes no sense when you combine that with the idea that the stuff was around in the 1940s in multi-kilogram quantities.

On the other hand, maybe in the '40s Howard Stark had some samples and knew how to work the stuff, but not how to synthesize it or where to find more. In which case it would make sense that he might be frustrated by failure to master this secret, and try to pass it on to Stark.

So even if the means to synthesize vibranium didn't exist back then, they might exist now- either Stark's technique, or some other.

Wait, what? Where is it said that the replacement for palladium is vibranium?

[Eternal_Freedom]

I think it's implied.

Although it's not difficult to reconcile IM2 with Howard Stark's work in the 40's. The only person who says "this is a new element" is JARVIS, so it is entirely possibly that he simply didn't know about vibranium. If the details on the material are from the 40's and classified to hell and back and was never put into electronic form (as seen by most of H. Stark's notes being either paper, film, or that bigass model) then JARVIS wouldn't know.

[Havok]

It's not vibranium. I also don't remember it being even remotely implied that it was. Anthony Stark worked first hand with Cap's shield. There would be no reason to hide it in the model of the Stark Expo.

[Civil War Man]

I've always referred to the Iron Man 2 element as Starkium. I've never seen anything that even remotely suggests that it's vibranium, considering that vibranium is not reactor fuel material.

[SCRawl]

I've always referred to the Iron Man 2 element as Starkium. I've never seen anything that even remotely suggests that it's vibranium, considering that vibranium is not reactor fuel material.

The element was named vibranium in the IM2 novelization, supposedly rediscovered by Tony Stark, but this has since been retconned. I really hope we don't start getting into Lucasfilms levels of canonicity hierarchy for the MCU...

[2000AD]

Thor's motionless arm was seen next to Captain America's shattered shield. Is Thor dead? We know Captain America will live, because he and Tony Stark are supposed to clash in his next movie. But we haven't received confirmation about a third Thor movie yet. If we do, there's a big chance the events of this film will act as a catalyst for a possible Ragnorak plot.

My guess would be either:
- Scene shot just for the trailer, doesn't appear in the final film.
- Dream sequence.

[Gaidin]

If the Comics Alliance pic is in any way accurate there's so many unknown marvel movies I really don't think you have to worry about one of them not being Thor...I mean, it's on there, theoretically, just as 'year unknown', but...grain of salt.

[Borgholio]

And for something (almost) completely different. The trailer set to Celine Dion.

http://fox13now.com/2014/10/26/video-ne ... -majestic/

[Civil War Man]

Then, later on, there's a glimpse of Captain America's shield broken in half, which means he's going to need to find a source of vibranium in order to get it fixed.

You can't just melt down the vibranium you already have and cast a new shield?

Not if part of the shield is missing, for example. IIRC, Fox owns the rights to adamantium as part of their deal with Marvel over the rights to X-men. If so, they might have Ultron upgrade his body using vibranium instead, possibly enlisting the help of Klaw to achieve the means of breaking the shield and taking what he needs.

[Ted C]

The shield was the entire known supply of vibranium in the world in the 40's, but that doesn't mean they haven't found more since. The cell on the Bus in "Agent's of SHIELD" is lined with the stuff, after all.

I got the impression that Tony had figured out how to synthesize small amounts of vibranium in IM2. I never thought of the palladium as fuel, just as a component of the reactor (maybe a catalyst), and that it decayed over time and leaked out of the reactor. Vibranium did the same job without the decay problem.

[LadyTevar]

The shield was the entire known supply of vibranium in the world in the 40's, but that doesn't mean they haven't found more since. The cell on the Bus in "Agent's of SHIELD" is lined with the stuff, after all.

I got the impression that Tony had figured out how to synthesize small amounts of vibranium in IM2. I never thought of the palladium as fuel, just as a component of the reactor (maybe a catalyst), and that it decayed over time and leaked out of the reactor. Vibranium did the same job without the decay problem.

Just one problem with these ideas
VIBRANIUM IS NOT RADIOACTIVE. Therefore it is not a viable fuel core.

[Havok]

I don't think that Fox has sole rights to "adamantium" as it was first introduced in Avengers by Ultron and therefor not an exclusively X-Men related intellectual property.

[Ted C]

I got the impression that Tony had figured out how to synthesize small amounts of vibranium in IM2. I never thought of the palladium as fuel, just as a component of the reactor (maybe a catalyst), and that it decayed over time and leaked out of the reactor. Vibranium did the same job without the decay problem.

Just one problem with these ideas
VIBRANIUM IS NOT RADIOACTIVE. Therefore it is not a viable fuel core.

In what way would vibranium need to be radioactive to serve a non-fuel function?