KKK opening doors to Blacks, Gays, Jews and Hispinics

[Irbis]

OK, can somebody please explain how this makes sense?

Isn't the KKK devoted solely to being white supremacists?

Is it any stranger from Waffen SS having Turkish and Semitic military units? They were even further in white supremacist business, yet somehow managed to rationalize it...

[Ralin]

Hitler liked animals and alot of Nazi's were environmentalists. Current German animal welfare laws are supposedly just modified versions of the laws introduced by them nutty Nazi's.

But then Hermann Goring wanted the punishment for vivisection to be a one way trip to a concentration camp to probably be vivisected.

Terrible people can hold pretty good positions at times. People are pretty nuanced creatures.

Which is a pretty good litmus test for telling genuinely crazy regressives from ones playing a role to stir shit up and get easy publicity and support. Genuinely terrible people will end up supporting at least the occasional decent position. As opposed to someone like Ann Coulter who is just flat-out too consistently horrible to be anything but a professional troll. It takes intelligence and careful forethought to sound that stupid.

But I am genuinely curious in regards to white people vs everyone else about being prideful in ones physical trait that don't make a lick of difference except how well they sunburn.

The impression I’ve gotten from some of the smarter social justice-y people I’ve heard is that there’s a difference between white pride and pride in a culture or heritage that happens to be considered white nowadays. As in, it’s one thing for me to take pride in being Cajun or a friend of mine to take pride in being Irish but ‘white people’ is just sort of this big mishmash.

[Ziggy Stardust]

I am not really sure we can just chalk it up to racism. I am no biologist or anything. But in my uneducated opinion there is probably something to be said about procreating with someone whose genetics are so diverse that their phenotype is screaming at you just how far removed they are.

In principle, yes. In practice, racial fetishism can be pretty demeaning. Especially the way certain white men fetishize Asian girls, in ways that border on predatory. That is, there is more than just biological urges involved. There's nothing wrong with just naturally being turned on by Asian girls or whoever, but there's weird social and cultural structures involved.

[Purple]

but there's weird social and cultural structures involved.

Isn't that a thing with virtually every avenue of interest these days? Including cartoons made for little girls.

[ArmorPierce]

And as for opposition to racial intermixing, fuck that. People can and should have sex with with members of whatever group they want (provided its consensual of course).

While I agree, being mixed race myself and being part of a mixed relationship myself, I do see where they are coming from.

Some data analytics from a dating website showed that white males by far had the greatest response rate with black males having the lowest or second lowest. The response rate for white males was actually higher from members outside their race. I see this as most likely due to perceptions of status, class, and power that is the result of centuries of colonization and that has had a very real culture impact in the society that we live in today.


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[Eternal_Freedom]

What surprises me most about this is that the KKK are still around. I thought they got broken up years ago.

Then again, British guy is ignorant about American culture from before he was born, so don't be too mean.

[Borgholio]

Well KKK got broken up as a major political player years ago, but they never went away. So long as there are white men who long for the days when they could own slaves, there will be a KKK.

[Raw Shark]

Hitler liked animals and alot of Nazi's were environmentalists. Current German animal welfare laws are supposedly just modified versions of the laws introduced by them nutty Nazi's.

But then Hermann Goring wanted the punishment for vivisection to be a one way trip to a concentration camp to probably be vivisected.

Terrible people can hold pretty good positions at times. People are pretty nuanced creatures.

Yeah, I just found it a little jarring to read that list and find myself thinking, "Fuck yeah, fuck yeah, of course, yes, what?" It had as much to do with the order it was presented in as anything.

[snip a bunch of stuff I don't particularly disagree with] Is it wrong for other races to frown upon race mixing?

Yes. Always. Fuck that. If they want to limit who they are capable of loving to their own race that's their choice, but they have no right to condemn the love of others. If everybody fucked everybody else until we were all the same color, that'd be one less thing to fight over, to paraphrase Bullworth.

[snip] But I am genuinely curious in regards to white people vs everyone else about being prideful in ones physical trait that don't make a lick of difference except how well they sunburn.

Let's not forget our enhanced ability to make Vitamin D here. [/white pride]

[Simon_Jester]

Well KKK got broken up as a major political player years ago, but they never went away. So long as there are white men who long for the days when they could own slaves, there will be a KKK.

Yeah. They exist, but they have no political or legal power and frankly I suspect that like 10% of their membership consists of FBI spies monitoring them to make sure they don't commit any hate crimes.

[Thanas]

Hitler liked animals and alot of Nazi's were environmentalists. Current German animal welfare laws are supposedly just modified versions of the laws introduced by them nutty Nazi's.

That would be pretty hard as the relevant paragraphs and laws were introduced in the 90s.

Also, this is probably my ignorance and general southern stupidity, not to mention the possibility of social osmosis of KKK ideals thanks to being practically next door neighbors to a buttload of them, talking but I'm unsure what is totally terrible about wanting to protect the white race assuming the person isn't meaning "destroy other races" or "put white devils first". Having pride in ones heritage and racial accomplishments aren't exactly unheard of with most races nor is a want to continue that race.

Oh god please don't be one of these "unnamed people are out to destroy our racal pride" nutjobs....please, please don't...

White people are told (by some) to feel ashamed for what their race does or did or is going to do, to take no pride in what they have done that doesn't involve genocide, slavery, rape, and the KFC Double Down, and that they are are racist if they don't find people of other races sexually attractive. Some white people feel like there is a real assault on being white.

...well fuck.

Seriously. Get your head our of your ass, get an education, read up on the shit the western powers do and then go back here and see how much like racist sympathizer 101 you sound.

[Borgholio]

Yes. Always. Fuck that. If they want to limit who they are capable of loving to their own race that's their choice, but they have no right to condemn the love of others. If everybody fucked everybody else until we were all the same color, that'd be one less thing to fight over, to paraphrase Bullworth.

If someone simply isn't attracted to another race, that's fine. I personally am not too terribly attracted to most black women. It has nothing to do with bigotry at all, I just don't find them all that attractive. But saying that black women are inferior and dating one is diluting the gene pool...that is a rather disgusting thing to say and is pretty much as racist as you can get.

For instance, my wife is Japanese, and is a very smart, snarky, and beautiful lady. We don't really care about race...we discuss it academically and joke about it sometimes but loving each other is more important than whether or not our skin color matches or our eyes are the same shape. If someone came up to us and said that my wife was an inferior creature and I should have married a white girl...I'd probably beat the everloving shit out of him.

[Raw Shark]

If someone simply isn't attracted to another race, that's fine.

Yeah, I have no problem with that (though I've never personally experienced it myself), it's the idea of telling other people who they can and cannot fuck that bothers me.

[snip] If someone came up to us and said that my wife was an inferior creature and I should have married a white girl...I'd probably beat the everloving shit out of him.

My Dad told me that he'd beat the shit out of me if I ever brought home a black girl a few times. My friend Dawn volunteered to make out with me in front of him once when I ranted about calling his bluff, but I didn't want her to see me get my ass kicked because I was afraid it'd hurt my chances of hooking up with her.

[ArmorPierce]

Did you hook up with her? I am thinking you should have taken her offer to make out in front of your father.

[Joun_Lord]

There's always going to be a difference when racism is coming from the group in power.

Another issue is when you try to make a color blind society... you don't really make a color blind society... you still are left with the effects of centuries of oppression and a running lead from the benefactors of it.

I can understand the thought process of some black people getting mad at people getting with white men. I can imagine that they see it as them taking the easy way out and leaving everyone else behind and/or being lured in and attracted to the status and power which is associated with the dominant group.

All that makes sense I suppose. Racism from a race in power will be different though (and I'm not necessarily saying you agree or disagree with this sentiment) I don't support the thought that a race in power cannot be a victim of racism or that racism by a minority against a majority is excusable.

I also would say treating the possibility of a color blind society to be an impossibility to be a bad thing but you are quite correct about the I guess "institutionalized" effects of previous generations of racial policies making that rather difficult.

Lastly I too can see the reasoning behind some black people not be okay with "leaving their race behind" though I find it just as repellant as when some country yokel will look down on a white person for marrying outside their race and calling it a betrayal of their people.

The impression I’ve gotten from some of the smarter social justice-y people I’ve heard is that there’s a difference between white pride and pride in a culture or heritage that happens to be considered white nowadays. As in, it’s one thing for me to take pride in being Cajun or a friend of mine to take pride in being Irish but ‘white people’ is just sort of this big mishmash.

I alluded to this a bit. The "white race" is just one lump made up of a bunch of different cultures and ethnic groups. Of course so is like Asians, Native Americans, and African Americans. For the Asians they are made up of like Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, and others and those national cultures are made up of Han, Korean, Mongol, Manchu, and Tibetan. Blacks come from various nations of Africa and are made up of thousands of ethnic groups like Somali, Egyptian, Berber, Nubian, and Swahili.

Europeans are the same, coming from dozens of cultures and made up of various ethnic groups like Wallons, Serbs, Irish, French, and German with various sub-groups of that.

So it seems, atleast to my dumb ass, that there is no more a "black" or "asian" race then their is a "white" race. Though for atleast African Americans in regards to slavery they might have a better call of being one group thanks to their horrific experiences of slavery and being completely cut off from their ancestry.

[Joun_Lord]

Hitler liked animals and alot of Nazi's were environmentalists. Current German animal welfare laws are supposedly just modified versions of the laws introduced by them nutty Nazi's.

That would be pretty hard as the relevant paragraphs and laws were introduced in the 90s.

Also, this is probably my ignorance and general southern stupidity, not to mention the possibility of social osmosis of KKK ideals thanks to being practically next door neighbors to a buttload of them, talking but I'm unsure what is totally terrible about wanting to protect the white race assuming the person isn't meaning "destroy other races" or "put white devils first". Having pride in ones heritage and racial accomplishments aren't exactly unheard of with most races nor is a want to continue that race.

Oh god please don't be one of these "unnamed people are out to destroy our racal pride" nutjobs....please, please don't...

White people are told (by some) to feel ashamed for what their race does or did or is going to do, to take no pride in what they have done that doesn't involve genocide, slavery, rape, and the KFC Double Down, and that they are are racist if they don't find people of other races sexually attractive. Some white people feel like there is a real assault on being white.

...well fuck.

Seriously. Get your head our of your ass, get an education, read up on the shit the western powers do and then go back here and see how much like racist sympathizer 101 you sound.

I did say "supposedly" about the laws. I was just going by wikipedia. Animal Welfare in Nazi Germany

Those out to destroy the "white race" aren't unnamed going by my fellow Mountaineer Americans. Obama, Liberals, College Students, Scientists, Obama, Women, Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, FEMA, Obama, Departments of Environmental Protection and Education, MSNBC, Muslims, Welfare, the UN, Obama, and me.

And while the survey is still out on the status of me being a nutjob I can assure you I'm not one of them there racal pride nutters considering as I pointed out earlier I couldn't be even if I wished to be considering my family's willingness to spread the love with everyone I don't really have a race to be prideful of. I can pick one or two out of my confirmed ancestry of British, Irish, German, Sicilian, Native American, and many others to be prideful in maybe.

Yes Western Powers have done terrible, terrible ungodly awful things. As have powers in Asia and Africa, even if not on the scale that their white counterparts have. And like I said they have done good things in between the centuries of genocide, slavery, and rape both of people and land, they created art and beautiful buildings and Looney Tunes.

Which was part of the reason for my questions, all races and cultures have done good and bad, so should everyone feel bad about their history? Should everyone have no pride in their race and its accomplishments? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsy pop? Can white people feel pride in their race, country, or culture same as others do or is it racist to do so and is it only racist if white people do it?

I ain't saying white people should go out and create a white history month or White Entertainment Network (24 hours a day of the blandest sitcoms, cheesiest music, and most terrible dancing known to man) or even to have pride in their whiteness or any other racially biased bull crap. Merely asking pretty much if its okay for other races to do so.

Seriously, don't jump on the "you're a racist" crap just because I ask an honest question that I was pretty positive you people here can answer. And several have quite well, educating my rectum filled with my head.

[Thanas]

Which was part of the reason for my questions, all races and cultures have done good and bad, so should everyone feel bad about their history? Should everyone have no pride in their race and its accomplishments? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsy pop? Can white people feel pride in their race, country, or culture same as others do or is it racist to do so and is it only racist if white people do it?

There is no accomplishment being tied to racial attributes. So yes, taking pride in accomplishments of "your race" is pretty stupid and racist.

[Joun_Lord]

Which was part of the reason for my questions, all races and cultures have done good and bad, so should everyone feel bad about their history? Should everyone have no pride in their race and its accomplishments? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsy pop? Can white people feel pride in their race, country, or culture same as others do or is it racist to do so and is it only racist if white people do it?

There is no accomplishment being tied to racial attributes. So yes, taking pride in accomplishments of "your race" is pretty stupid and racist.

Thats actually a really awesome way to put it. Nothing anyone has done is the result of their race, thus feeling prideful about something your race has done that can be done by any other race is pretty stupid.

Assuming that is a correct interpretation of what you are saying (typing), I agree with that.

[Thanas]

Yeah, you got it.

[AniThyng]

Which was part of the reason for my questions, all races and cultures have done good and bad, so should everyone feel bad about their history? Should everyone have no pride in their race and its accomplishments? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsy pop? Can white people feel pride in their race, country, or culture same as others do or is it racist to do so and is it only racist if white people do it?

There is no accomplishment being tied to racial attributes. So yes, taking pride in accomplishments of "your race" is pretty stupid and racist.

The only issue I see with this is that people really mean culture and nationality when they say race, and it's not just whites who take pride in the nebulous accomplishments of thier race.

[Broomstick]

What surprises me most about this is that the KKK are still around. I thought they got broken up years ago.

It's not illegal to be a dumbass or bigot in the US, although these days the penalties for bigotry are a bit different than a couple generations ago.

[General Zod]

Which was part of the reason for my questions, all races and cultures have done good and bad, so should everyone feel bad about their history? Should everyone have no pride in their race and its accomplishments? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsy pop? Can white people feel pride in their race, country, or culture same as others do or is it racist to do so and is it only racist if white people do it?

There is no accomplishment being tied to racial attributes. So yes, taking pride in accomplishments of "your race" is pretty stupid and racist.

The only issue I see with this is that people really mean culture and nationality when they say race, and it's not just whites who take pride in the nebulous accomplishments of thier race.

Still kind of dumb to be proud of shit that you personally had no part in and is only tangentially related to you.

[Simon_Jester]

Those out to destroy the "white race" aren't unnamed going by my fellow Mountaineer Americans. Obama, Liberals, College Students, Scientists, Obama, Women, Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, FEMA, Obama, Departments of Environmental Protection and Education, MSNBC, Muslims, Welfare, the UN, Obama, and me.

Citation needed.

I mean, you've basically asserted that all education above the high school level is bad for the white race. And that the majority of all humans are trying to destroy the white race. And that large organizations committed to preventing people from being killed by fires, floods, earthquakes, and tornadoes are trying to destroy the white race.

As a member of the white race, I am really glad that I disagree with you and am in a position to disown your bullshit as not-speaking-for-me.

I would purely hate to be stuck thinking like you. I mean really, you think college education and women are bad for your race? It must be goddamn terrifying to be you.

[Purple]

Those out to destroy the "white race" aren't unnamed going by my fellow Mountaineer Americans. Obama, Liberals, College Students, Scientists, Obama, Women, Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, FEMA, Obama, Departments of Environmental Protection and Education, MSNBC, Muslims, Welfare, the UN, Obama, and me.

Citation needed.

I mean, you've basically asserted that all education above the high school level is bad for the white race. And that the majority of all humans are trying to destroy the white race. And that large organizations committed to preventing people from being killed by fires, floods, earthquakes, and tornadoes are trying to destroy the white race.

As a member of the white race, I am really glad that I disagree with you and am in a position to disown your bullshit as not-speaking-for-me.

I would purely hate to be stuck thinking like you. I mean really, you think college education and women are bad for your race? It must be goddamn terrifying to be you.

I do believe that the opening part of that quote, the bit that says "going by my fellow Mountaineer Americans" basically translates as: "If you were to ask the primitive, mountain dwelling rednecks." So he is not so much supporting their stance as quoting it.

[Joun_Lord]

Those out to destroy the "white race" aren't unnamed going by my fellow Mountaineer Americans. Obama, Liberals, College Students, Scientists, Obama, Women, Al Sharpton, Eric Holder, FEMA, Obama, Departments of Environmental Protection and Education, MSNBC, Muslims, Welfare, the UN, Obama, and me.

Citation needed.

I mean, you've basically asserted that all education above the high school level is bad for the white race. And that the majority of all humans are trying to destroy the white race. And that large organizations committed to preventing people from being killed by fires, floods, earthquakes, and tornadoes are trying to destroy the white race.

As a member of the white race, I am really glad that I disagree with you and am in a position to disown your bullshit as not-speaking-for-me.

I would purely hate to be stuck thinking like you. I mean really, you think college education and women are bad for your race? It must be goddamn terrifying to be you.

Dude, I wasn't saying I think all those things are destroying the white race. I was repeating what paranoid and racist morons in atleast my area blame for the downfall of white people. Not actually saying I believe higher edumacations of the book learnin's and lady folks are destroying white people.

Did you notice I am part of those things destroying the white race too? Yeah I've been accused of betraying the white race and being part of the plot to destroy it because I've had black friends and voted for Obama.

I actually think what would destroy the white race if anything is, is racist morons that make it impossible for other peoples to coexist peacefully with them.

And yes, these idiots actually think most of humanity is out to get them because of their supposed "superiority" and FEMA is some government conspiracy with fields full of plastic coffins ready to go and disarm the population and kill all white straight christian males as soon as the black conspiracy or atheist conspiracy (something I forgot to add that as one of the things destroying the white race) or the UN or Obama is ready.

[Ralin]

Which was part of the reason for my questions, all races and cultures have done good and bad, so should everyone feel bad about their history? Should everyone have no pride in their race and its accomplishments? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsy pop? Can white people feel pride in their race, country, or culture same as others do or is it racist to do so and is it only racist if white people do it?

There is no accomplishment being tied to racial attributes. So yes, taking pride in accomplishments of "your race" is pretty stupid and racist.

The only issue I see with this is that people really mean culture and nationality when they say race, and it's not just whites who take pride in the nebulous accomplishments of thier race.

In some situations they could probably be conflated. A minority ethnic group in America or some other country taking pride in their collective history (and partially in reaction to the larger culture) isn't that far off from taking pride in one's country, since groups like black Americans or Hawai'ians can generally point to some sort of similar experiences because of that. Same way that a transgender blogger I follow mentions that she takes pride in some of the ways transgender people were at the forefront of the beginning of the modern gay right's movement in America and such.

Compare that to a Cajun like me taking pride in the achievements of German culture because of our common membership in the glorious white race. Sounds kinda dumb, doesn’t it?