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Hard sci-fi. I enjoyed it very thoroughly. Go watch it! It's like... Gravity, replacing much of the special effects scenes with a more interesting story.
Won't really say much besides I liked the starkness between the earth and space storylines, the scenario and worldbuilding, and the 'feel' of travelling to other planets in a realistic manner. Plus some serious family feels.
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Won't really say much besides I liked the starkness between the earth and space storylines, the scenario and worldbuilding, and the 'feel' of travelling to other planets in a realistic manner. Plus some serious family feels.
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I rather enjoyed it. The soundtrack kept on making me wonder, are we essentially watching the mass for the human race?
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I enjoyed it. It was interesting, albeit flawed.
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Just got back from watching with my fiance last night. I liked it for being different, she hated it for being too dark and depressing.
I do think it kind of loses the hard sf label when-
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All in all, I think this was absolutely worth the price of admission, and even the almost three hour runtime. It gets seriously dark, and then darker still, like a dozen times or so, but there is a bright light and a happy ending.
I do think it kind of loses the hard sf label when-
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All in all, I think this was absolutely worth the price of admission, and even the almost three hour runtime. It gets seriously dark, and then darker still, like a dozen times or so, but there is a bright light and a happy ending.
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After seeing it non IMAX, well, it helps.Havok wrote:IMAX?
The movie is spectactular. On all counts. The ending dragged (hooray for Hollywood endings) but basically, it's tight, interesting, complex, emotional.
I'll avoid spoiler discussions and adding all the "oh my favorite scene" and just say that I left the movie thinking, not just feeling after a joyride.
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I would not call it that. It's fantasy and maybe moral parable with the trappings and visals of hard sci-fi, much like 2001 was.Nephtys wrote:Hard sci-fi.
As for the IMAX question, I saw it in a dome and it was a bit overwhelming, I think the projectionist just said 'fuck it' and extended the thing over the whole thing rather than showing some restraint, the result was the edges were very distorted and the action was hard to follow. On top of that I was crammed for nearly 3 hours into a seat designed for science center 48 minute documentaries, and it wrecked me.
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I would have paid good money to have every character in that replaced with a crew of TARS robots. They were awesome.
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I thought the TARS robots were a very interesting flavor. Very unique design, but offset by having an extreeemely human voice and manner, yet not just being 'a guy'. Like a sociable HAL-9000 that put all it's computing into being actually charming.
The things I noticed (as an Engineer) that I found of note were:
1. The Ranger multipurpose craft has fantastic ISP and thrust, considering that a bus-sized object can come in from orbit then return to it from 1.3G surface, after being battered by hazards in fact.
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3. Endurance didn't really have a need to spin during it's coasting phase to Saturn, since the crew is suspended. The only need for the wheel section is if they were performing lab work at the destination.
4. How many launches did they put out exactly? What would have stopped them from dumping a propellant station at the destination, considering how advanced their rocketry is, and considering that Endurance only had limited delta-V to visit a few sites.
5. 2001 references all over.
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The things I noticed (as an Engineer) that I found of note were:
1. The Ranger multipurpose craft has fantastic ISP and thrust, considering that a bus-sized object can come in from orbit then return to it from 1.3G surface, after being battered by hazards in fact.
2. Why does a TARS unit have aSpoiler
at all?
3. Endurance didn't really have a need to spin during it's coasting phase to Saturn, since the crew is suspended. The only need for the wheel section is if they were performing lab work at the destination.
4. How many launches did they put out exactly? What would have stopped them from dumping a propellant station at the destination, considering how advanced their rocketry is, and considering that Endurance only had limited delta-V to visit a few sites.
5. 2001 references all over.
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SpoilerNephtys wrote:I thought the TARS robots were a very interesting flavor. Very unique design, but offset by having an extreeemely human voice and manner, yet not just being 'a guy'. Like a sociable HAL-9000 that put all it's computing into being actually charming.
The things I noticed (as an Engineer) that I found of note were:
2. Why does a TARS unit have aSpoilerat all?
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Just as a matter of opinion: Nolan has to somehow give back the three wasted hours, but he cannot, so let's just leave it at that - a director in Hollywood can usually make one good independent movie (Inception in his case, District 9 in Blomkamp's case, etc.) and then he is done.
First of all, the 'machine cannot replace man' nonsense. Second, the 'single guys are worse than family guys' nonsense. Third, the 'love saves you in space' nonsense.
Too much nonsense for a single film. The film was incredibly racist and elitist (the whole program is American-only, the rest of the world is what, dead by then?) compared to Space Odyssey that was filmed during the height of the Cold War.
Kubrick is a genius, Nolan is a mediocrity. That is why he steals everything from Kubrick, including the final 'man falls into anomaly, man conquers spacetime' plot device, except the second time with more FAMILY DRAMA (sorry, cannot appreciate) and it looks real shallow. You cannot walk into the same water twice.
The robots were the only sympathetic characters, I hated the other would-be cosmonauts who weren't really. Glaring errors (like massive waves with several hour intervals being unobservable from the air when descending over a really huge oceanic shoreline - really, you have to be fucking kidding me?!) were just icing on the cake.
The fact that no prepared infrastructure was placed in the vicinity of the exit point is even worse, considering that somehow humanity still has enough resources to build massive O'Neill cylinders some fourty+ years after the expedition.
Also, I forgot if climate change was explicitly named the reason for human extinction on Earth. Was it, or did they just go 'poor humans just ruined one biosphere so let's move them on to the next one'? Humans are absolutely loathesome in the film, and robots are the only thing making it watchable.
First of all, the 'machine cannot replace man' nonsense. Second, the 'single guys are worse than family guys' nonsense. Third, the 'love saves you in space' nonsense.
Too much nonsense for a single film. The film was incredibly racist and elitist (the whole program is American-only, the rest of the world is what, dead by then?) compared to Space Odyssey that was filmed during the height of the Cold War.
Kubrick is a genius, Nolan is a mediocrity. That is why he steals everything from Kubrick, including the final 'man falls into anomaly, man conquers spacetime' plot device, except the second time with more FAMILY DRAMA (sorry, cannot appreciate) and it looks real shallow. You cannot walk into the same water twice.
The robots were the only sympathetic characters, I hated the other would-be cosmonauts who weren't really. Glaring errors (like massive waves with several hour intervals being unobservable from the air when descending over a really huge oceanic shoreline - really, you have to be fucking kidding me?!) were just icing on the cake.
The fact that no prepared infrastructure was placed in the vicinity of the exit point is even worse, considering that somehow humanity still has enough resources to build massive O'Neill cylinders some fourty+ years after the expedition.
Also, I forgot if climate change was explicitly named the reason for human extinction on Earth. Was it, or did they just go 'poor humans just ruined one biosphere so let's move them on to the next one'? Humans are absolutely loathesome in the film, and robots are the only thing making it watchable.
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Stas" criticisms reminded me of parts of why I like Sunshine over this in some ways. It has an international crew of true professionals and the mission is one that they always knew was likely one way, with the drama focused on the ship crew.
The issue of damage to Earth wasn't climate change, it was a blight that had destroyed all crops in something of a scaled up 1930s American dust bowl. I also agree about the almost anti-environmental message as well.
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A lot of what I was going to nitpick at in terms of the movie has been said... But...
Stas was spot on in terms of harping on Nolan for trying to hard. Because thats what you could see at almost every step of the movie.. Nolan Trying WAY too hard to make this HIS "2001". An 'epic' space opera that people would go "Wow!" about and say "my mind is blow!" Except... It really really falls so..so short of this...
One thing I want to say in regards to the "blight / climate change' thing...
Long Loooooong ago when I first heard of the making of the movie... I remember hearing a Humor that the 'catalyst' for drama in the movie would be the wormhole itself. That the worm hole opening up on Earth's doorstep destabilized Earth's climate causing it to go into global chaos.
Hence, the Thing dooming Earth, would also be also be it's Salvation...
Anyone else think this could have led to a MUCH different overall tone for the movie?
Stas was spot on in terms of harping on Nolan for trying to hard. Because thats what you could see at almost every step of the movie.. Nolan Trying WAY too hard to make this HIS "2001". An 'epic' space opera that people would go "Wow!" about and say "my mind is blow!" Except... It really really falls so..so short of this...
One thing I want to say in regards to the "blight / climate change' thing...
Long Loooooong ago when I first heard of the making of the movie... I remember hearing a Humor that the 'catalyst' for drama in the movie would be the wormhole itself. That the worm hole opening up on Earth's doorstep destabilized Earth's climate causing it to go into global chaos.
Hence, the Thing dooming Earth, would also be also be it's Salvation...
Anyone else think this could have led to a MUCH different overall tone for the movie?
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2001, with more dialogue and fewer monkeys. I liked it. The last film I saw which tried to be a big intelligent sci-fi epic like that was Prometheus, which I didn't like. I thought the characters in Interstellar were a bit more intelligent, and it didn't seem to me like they were doing odd things out of character just to advance the plot.
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andrewgpaul wrote:2001, with more dialogue and fewer monkeys. I liked it. The last film I saw which tried to be a big intelligent sci-fi epic like that was Prometheus, which I didn't like. I thought the characters in Interstellar were a bit more intelligent, and it didn't seem to me like they were doing odd things out of character just to advance the plot.
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Saw it this weekend and thought it was a pretty good movie
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Interstellar is the most expensive B-movie ever. It's "Plan 9 From Outer Space," with a 165 million budget. It's like a 2001:A Space Oddysey fanfic by someone who read too much Dan Simmons. There were Voyager episodes with better storytelling than this. Hell, even Jo Jo Abrams can do better than this.
It's the inconsistency that got me. For the first half it tries to present itself as a kind of "Gravity" of the near future, all hard and realistic. Then they go through the wormhole which is also a black hole and all logic goes out the window. From the magical water planet they went on for no goddamned reason (if time passes slower there, the odds of it being developed enough to sustain life, given that the development occurs much slower?), then were able to take off from it with their magical shuttle (despite needing an invisible Saturn V to take off from Earth, and this one having 1.3g!), to the well groomed (in perfectly new clothes!) scientist dude who spent decades working on the wormhole and learning absolutely nothing ( "So, we can blow the engines out with inside air? Should we do that?" "Nah, we'll just sit here and let the black dude age another decade. Cards, anyone?"), the airlock scene (you mess up docking protocols and blow up half the ship? Was it built by the same people who made Star Trek exploding consoles), which leads them to magically being teleported back to the wormhole (did Nolan forget they were in orbit of the SECOND planet?), to, well, Love As the Fifth Dimension. It was crap. "All of it Mollari, all of it!"
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It's the inconsistency that got me. For the first half it tries to present itself as a kind of "Gravity" of the near future, all hard and realistic. Then they go through the wormhole which is also a black hole and all logic goes out the window. From the magical water planet they went on for no goddamned reason (if time passes slower there, the odds of it being developed enough to sustain life, given that the development occurs much slower?), then were able to take off from it with their magical shuttle (despite needing an invisible Saturn V to take off from Earth, and this one having 1.3g!), to the well groomed (in perfectly new clothes!) scientist dude who spent decades working on the wormhole and learning absolutely nothing ( "So, we can blow the engines out with inside air? Should we do that?" "Nah, we'll just sit here and let the black dude age another decade. Cards, anyone?"), the airlock scene (you mess up docking protocols and blow up half the ship? Was it built by the same people who made Star Trek exploding consoles), which leads them to magically being teleported back to the wormhole (did Nolan forget they were in orbit of the SECOND planet?), to, well, Love As the Fifth Dimension. It was crap. "All of it Mollari, all of it!"
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It was enjoyable enough in theaters that I didn't mind the runtime. But the ending really felt like the writers write themselves I to a corner and wrote "shit, how do we manage to save the plot without killing the lead?"
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I didn't mind the opening sequence. Yes, it went on a little long, but it was great world-building at the very least. They did a great job of building the world subtly without having long, boring sequences of expository dialogue explaining every last detail of the environmental disaster.
There were a few silly bits during the space exploration phase, but I didn't mind those, because I like injecting a little bit of the fantastic into an otherwise "hard" setting. And I liked the bit with Dr. Mann; it was foreshadowed fairly heavily, I suppose, but I really liked how subtly he played the craziness. In most movies like this the crazy character would be portrayed as sort of a gibbering loon. But the scene where Cooper and Mann go out walking and Mann is giving his little monologue which gets progressively creepier and crazier, followed by the wild-eyed look in Mann's eyes as he tries to escape. Again, I didn't mind that he fucked up the airlock sequence; yes, it was stupid, but he was obviously at this point supposed to be completely deranged and desperate, not to mention supremely arrogant.
Honestly, there were only three parts of the movie that really bugged me:
1) Anne Hathaway. Everything about her was awful. Why the fuck was she grinning like an idiot for half of the movie? Even when things were going to hell, she kept having a shit-eating grin on her face.
2) Love is the 5th dimension. Come the fuck on. I didn't mind the fact that Cooper was "the ghost" and all of that; I am even fine with them having a 2001-esque metaphysical vibe to it. But Anne Hathaway's whole speech about love made me roll my eyes.
3) Everything that happened starting from when Cooper was rescued after his experience in the black hole. Seriously, they just rescued a man floating out in space who has been gone for, what, 80 years or so, but has barely aged a day due to relativity, and nobody is making a big deal out of it? He would be swarmed by media and scientists and doctors. Everybody on that space station thing seemed so utterly uninterested in Cooper's existence, when it should be a monumental event; especially considering his house is a museum, and there is at least one monument to the Lazarus program of which at this point he is the only known surviving member. Speaking of his house-museum, what kind of museum has thirty TV's placed in random spots all playing the same exact clip of old people talking about farming? But nobody gave a shit that he was back; he was essentially anonymous, and they acted like they were only even providing for him because his daughter is so famous. Also, his daughter was surprisingly apathetic for him to come back, and basically just told him to fuck off again ... so he, after that whole experience, immediately manages to steal a spaceship (why no security?!) and take off looking for Anne Hathaway. Who has been alone on that planet for decades at this point, and is either dead or as crazy as Dr. Mann. Seriously, this ending was complete and utter shit.
There were a few silly bits during the space exploration phase, but I didn't mind those, because I like injecting a little bit of the fantastic into an otherwise "hard" setting. And I liked the bit with Dr. Mann; it was foreshadowed fairly heavily, I suppose, but I really liked how subtly he played the craziness. In most movies like this the crazy character would be portrayed as sort of a gibbering loon. But the scene where Cooper and Mann go out walking and Mann is giving his little monologue which gets progressively creepier and crazier, followed by the wild-eyed look in Mann's eyes as he tries to escape. Again, I didn't mind that he fucked up the airlock sequence; yes, it was stupid, but he was obviously at this point supposed to be completely deranged and desperate, not to mention supremely arrogant.
Honestly, there were only three parts of the movie that really bugged me:
1) Anne Hathaway. Everything about her was awful. Why the fuck was she grinning like an idiot for half of the movie? Even when things were going to hell, she kept having a shit-eating grin on her face.
2) Love is the 5th dimension. Come the fuck on. I didn't mind the fact that Cooper was "the ghost" and all of that; I am even fine with them having a 2001-esque metaphysical vibe to it. But Anne Hathaway's whole speech about love made me roll my eyes.
3) Everything that happened starting from when Cooper was rescued after his experience in the black hole. Seriously, they just rescued a man floating out in space who has been gone for, what, 80 years or so, but has barely aged a day due to relativity, and nobody is making a big deal out of it? He would be swarmed by media and scientists and doctors. Everybody on that space station thing seemed so utterly uninterested in Cooper's existence, when it should be a monumental event; especially considering his house is a museum, and there is at least one monument to the Lazarus program of which at this point he is the only known surviving member. Speaking of his house-museum, what kind of museum has thirty TV's placed in random spots all playing the same exact clip of old people talking about farming? But nobody gave a shit that he was back; he was essentially anonymous, and they acted like they were only even providing for him because his daughter is so famous. Also, his daughter was surprisingly apathetic for him to come back, and basically just told him to fuck off again ... so he, after that whole experience, immediately manages to steal a spaceship (why no security?!) and take off looking for Anne Hathaway. Who has been alone on that planet for decades at this point, and is either dead or as crazy as Dr. Mann. Seriously, this ending was complete and utter shit.
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Just saw Interstellar today. My quick take as spoiler-free as possible:
Thematically, a nigh-end of the world tale that celebrates the triumph of ingenuity over nature is so rare that I'm more than willing to overlook the ecological and social conceits. I've no use for climate change inaction, but I've less use for Gaiaism.
In the depiction of physics and how it drives the plot, I actually appreciate a movie where my initial fridge logic objections are answered in ways that didn't even occur to me. From where I stand, good hard sf remains plausible while leaving the work of figuring out why as an exercise to the reader. A lot of reviewers called out possible stumbling blocks covering everything from propellant to the approach of Miller's planet to tidal forces the penultimate scene. And of course there is a lot said--much of it probably premature--about Gargantua and her system. Without going into much detail, I'd offer one bit of advice to the critics. You might find your suspension of disbelief better rewarded if you deal with depicted--visually and in dialogue--as you would sight and talk in real life. It's more fun to conclusively demonstrate a contradiction than to toss out a crude generalization, and even the best of folks flub when speaking extemporaneously.
From a sausage-making perspective, Interstellar is mind blowing contribution not only to visual arts but also to visualization of general relativity. I can't wait for the first publications to emerge from this work.
To date, I've read only one review of the movie that didn't completely disappoint (aside from Kip Thorne's book--if you want to call that a review). This piece (pulled from Google's cache) from Ikjyot Singh Kohli summarizes my view of most of the criticism Interstellar has taken on the science front.
Thematically, a nigh-end of the world tale that celebrates the triumph of ingenuity over nature is so rare that I'm more than willing to overlook the ecological and social conceits. I've no use for climate change inaction, but I've less use for Gaiaism.
In the depiction of physics and how it drives the plot, I actually appreciate a movie where my initial fridge logic objections are answered in ways that didn't even occur to me. From where I stand, good hard sf remains plausible while leaving the work of figuring out why as an exercise to the reader. A lot of reviewers called out possible stumbling blocks covering everything from propellant to the approach of Miller's planet to tidal forces the penultimate scene. And of course there is a lot said--much of it probably premature--about Gargantua and her system. Without going into much detail, I'd offer one bit of advice to the critics. You might find your suspension of disbelief better rewarded if you deal with depicted--visually and in dialogue--as you would sight and talk in real life. It's more fun to conclusively demonstrate a contradiction than to toss out a crude generalization, and even the best of folks flub when speaking extemporaneously.
From a sausage-making perspective, Interstellar is mind blowing contribution not only to visual arts but also to visualization of general relativity. I can't wait for the first publications to emerge from this work.
To date, I've read only one review of the movie that didn't completely disappoint (aside from Kip Thorne's book--if you want to call that a review). This piece (pulled from Google's cache) from Ikjyot Singh Kohli summarizes my view of most of the criticism Interstellar has taken on the science front.
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Two points. Brand was (trying) to make a point about love transcending what we know about physics. I don't recall her saying "love is the fifth dimension" or anything like that. I just took it as grasping for hope. And without getting into spoilers, consider how well received that message was by other crew members. Or how Brand's desperation was "rewarded."Ziggy Stardust wrote:2) Love is the 5th dimension. Come the fuck on. I didn't mind the fact that Cooper was "the ghost" and all of that; I am even fine with them having a 2001-esque metaphysical vibe to it. But Anne Hathaway's whole speech about love made me roll my eyes.
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Consider how two of those points are wholly subverted in the movie. The robots come through in a clinch all the way up to the climax. And did love save anyone? No. Damn near got everyone killed. Cold, hard, gravity saved the day.Stas Bush wrote:Just as a matter of opinion: Nolan has to somehow give back the three wasted hours, but he cannot, so let's just leave it at that - a director in Hollywood can usually make one good independent movie (Inception in his case, District 9 in Blomkamp's case, etc.) and then he is done.
First of all, the 'machine cannot replace man' nonsense. Second, the 'single guys are worse than family guys' nonsense. Third, the 'love saves you in space' nonsense.
I don't know how you figure "racist." The only character on the mission with sufficient background to study the Gargantua system was Romilly. Elitist? Probably, but then again this is a world in which astronauts and scientists are hard to come by and not particularly valued. And considering the backdrop of global famine and skepticism regarding the value of spaceflight, I doubt international cooperation was high on the list of NASA's priorities.Too much nonsense for a single film. The film was incredibly racist and elitist (the whole program is American-only, the rest of the world is what, dead by then?) compared to Space Odyssey that was filmed during the height of the Cold War.
We have tons of movies where nature conquers man for his hubris. Is it so bad we have a second one where man shapes nature for a change?Kubrick is a genius, Nolan is a mediocrity. That is why he steals everything from Kubrick, including the final 'man falls into anomaly, man conquers spacetime' plot device, except the second time with more FAMILY DRAMA (sorry, cannot appreciate) and it looks real shallow. You cannot walk into the same water twice.
We know almost next to nothing about the shallow water dynamics on Miller's planet (another exercise for the reader). What we do know is that the Endurance crew wanted in and out as quick as possible to avoid the worst effects of a high Lorentz factor (on the order of 60,000). You have to go a considerable ways to match velocities with the planet, and for most of the maneuver it would look like a marble frozen in time. If the periods are much longer than a couple of hours, they would have to commit to losing several decades relative to parking orbit to observe them. Finally, we can't say anything about the regularity or periodicity of the waves from the information we have.The robots were the only sympathetic characters, I hated the other would-be cosmonauts who weren't really. Glaring errors (like massive waves with several hour intervals being unobservable from the air when descending over a really huge oceanic shoreline - really, you have to be fucking kidding me?!) were just icing on the cake.
Are we sure about that? Lot's of stuff can happen out of view of the camera.The fact that no prepared infrastructure was placed in the vicinity of the exit point is even worse, considering that somehow humanity still has enough resources to build massive O'Neill cylinders some fourty+ years after the expedition.
Blight was the boogeyman. I've no use for the misanthropic "man can't have nice things because he pollutes" point of view. It'd be nice if we cleaned up our act, but I can live with surviving to do better with the next world.Also, I forgot if climate change was explicitly named the reason for human extinction on Earth. Was it, or did they just go 'poor humans just ruined one biosphere so let's move them on to the next one'? Humans are absolutely loathesome in the film, and robots are the only thing making it watchable.
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I know. And the way she said it was utterly retarded, especially for someone who is supposed to be a scientist. It betrayed a complete lack of understanding of basic science. It was moronic.Paolo wrote: Two points. Brand was (trying) to make a point about love transcending what we know about physics.
The "love is the 5th dimension" part comes from the ending, which was made fairly explicit. Not sure what you are getting at, because the entire ending of the film VINDICATED Brand's retarded rant more than anything else.Paolo wrote:I don't recall her saying "love is the fifth dimension" or anything like that. I just took it as grasping for hope. And without getting into spoilers, consider how well received that message was by other crew members. Or how Brand's desperation was "rewarded."
I literally have no idea what this paragraph is supposed to convey. I don't mean this as an insult, but I've read it like 3 times and I am absolutely at a loss to guess what you are trying to say here. Are you saying that when we suspend disbelief we should pretend we are ignorant of science too, and that scientific explanations have no place in understanding film?In the depiction of physics and how it drives the plot, I actually appreciate a movie where my initial fridge logic objections are answered in ways that didn't even occur to me. From where I stand, good hard sf remains plausible while leaving the work of figuring out why as an exercise to the reader. A lot of reviewers called out possible stumbling blocks covering everything from propellant to the approach of Miller's planet to tidal forces the penultimate scene. And of course there is a lot said--much of it probably premature--about Gargantua and her system. Without going into much detail, I'd offer one bit of advice to the critics. You might find your suspension of disbelief better rewarded if you deal with depicted--visually and in dialogue--as you would sight and talk in real life. It's more fun to conclusively demonstrate a contradiction than to toss out a crude generalization, and even the best of folks flub when speaking extemporaneously.
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Some 45 percent of working scientists reported believing in a personal God in 1996. "Scientist" isn't a personality and a standard issue set of sentiments they hand out with credentials.Ziggy Stardust wrote:I know. And the way she said it was utterly retarded, especially for someone who is supposed to be a scientist. It betrayed a complete lack of understanding of basic science. It was moronic.
We must have seen a different movie, since I saw SpoilerThe "love is the 5th dimension" part comes from the ending, which was made fairly explicit.
Not sure how SpoilerNot sure what you are getting at, because the entire ending of the film VINDICATED Brand's retarded rant more than anything else.
amounts to vindication, especially since Spoiler
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I'm saying that just about every criticism of Interstellar's scientific credibility I've seen so far is garbage. Whether born out of ignorance or simple laziness depends on the author.I literally have no idea what this paragraph is supposed to convey. I don't mean this as an insult, but I've read it like 3 times and I am absolutely at a loss to guess what you are trying to say here. Are you saying that when we suspend disbelief we should pretend we are ignorant of science too, and that scientific explanations have no place in understanding film?
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Considering how reliable and versatile these robots were, there was absolutely no reason not to send them - instead of a bunch of jerks - to check what happened to the original explorers on the planets. Hell, you could technically have a robot for every planet: land, collect the data, go back. Miller's planet should have been excluded from the start.Paolo wrote:The robots come through in a clinch all the way up to the climax.
And don't get me even started on the energy requirements of their weird shuttles (landing and taking off from Miller's planet, right).
I guess I should also replace racism with the extreme nationalism, though the difference between the two is hard to see when absolutely all other nations sans except USA are nonexistent, do not do anything and do not participate in space exploration at all.
Considering the fact that Earth's population was doomed (or considered to be doomed) anyway, them not spamming the genetic arks to every planet in the list (preferrably along with the first explorers) was totally unexplainable.
So why did they need a rocket to bring the shuttle to orbit when taking off from Earth? And what are the energy requirements for the Ranger shuttle's chemical rocket engines to be able to take off from Miller's planet, mind thinking about that? That's what I call garbage.Paolo wrote:I'm saying that just about every criticism of Interstellar's scientific credibility I've seen so far is garbage.
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