The Romulan Republic wrote:We could have focussed on Afghanistan rather than going into Iraq, been more careful to avoid killing civilians, and invested more in improving Afghanistan's infrastructure and education.
Canada did that, we didn't exactly get a ton of thanks even though we mainly spent our efforts repairing infrastructure and handing out aid. The people that are handed help like the help, but we're still hated by everybody we haven't explicitly given aid to. You can't change a countries mind if the people are uneducated and mindlessly hate outsiders.
That is a prejudiced generalization about the Afghani people.
I'd like to know if you have some statistics that show that the vast majority of Afghanis "...mindlessly hate outsiders."
And Canada is a minor player compared to the US. I don't dismiss Canada's contributions, but there's only so much Canada can do.
cmdrjones wrote:as for your final question: Excellent question! I suggest listening to William Lind for once.
Did he really proposed listening to paleoconservative frothing fundie that makes Bush and Cheney look like a pair of limpy liberal progressives? Then he isn't just ignorant of history and overfed on anti-left propaganda, he is bona-fide communislamist* conspiracy theorist
*don't ask me how this works, I still have no idea how US right wingers can mention both in same breath as same thing with brain turned on.
isn't there a fallacy about attacking the author of an idea instead of the idea itself?
Terralthra wrote:It's similar to the Arabic word for "one who sows discord" or "one who crushes underfoot". It'd be like if the acronym for the some Tea Party thing was "DKBAG" or something. In one sense, it's just the acronym for ISIL/ISIS in Arabic: Dawlat (al-) Islāmiyya ‘Irāq Shām, but it's also an insult.
"Democratic Korps (of those who are) Beneficently Anti-Government"
The Romulan Republic wrote:We could have focussed on Afghanistan rather than going into Iraq, been more careful to avoid killing civilians, and invested more in improving Afghanistan's infrastructure and education.
Canada did that, we didn't exactly get a ton of thanks even though we mainly spent our efforts repairing infrastructure and handing out aid. The people that are handed help like the help, but we're still hated by everybody we haven't explicitly given aid to. You can't change a countries mind if the people are uneducated and mindlessly hate outsiders.
That is a prejudiced generalization about the Afghani people.
I'd like to know if you have some statistics that show that the vast majority of Afghanis "...mindlessly hate outsiders."
And Canada is a minor player compared to the US. I don't dismiss Canada's contributions, but there's only so much Canada can do.
To be serious... they don't mindlessly hate outsiders, they hate us all equally. Ok, I kid. Their level of hatred for outsiders is pathological, but I don't think it rises to MINDLESS.... we reserve that for un-reconstructed southrons.
Terralthra wrote:It's similar to the Arabic word for "one who sows discord" or "one who crushes underfoot". It'd be like if the acronym for the some Tea Party thing was "DKBAG" or something. In one sense, it's just the acronym for ISIL/ISIS in Arabic: Dawlat (al-) Islāmiyya ‘Irāq Shām, but it's also an insult.
"Democratic Korps (of those who are) Beneficently Anti-Government"
Before I bother to read that link, let me ask you something. Is it a link to a source that is remotely credible? Because it looks like a link to a random blog.
The Romulan Republic wrote:Before I bother to read that link, let me ask you something. Is it a link to a source that is remotely credible? Because it looks like a link to a random blog.
it's a comedy site, hence the laughy face... though you were supposed to click on it and get the joke without me pointing it out... kinda spoils the humor.
Terralthra wrote:It's similar to the Arabic word for "one who sows discord" or "one who crushes underfoot". It'd be like if the acronym for the some Tea Party thing was "DKBAG" or something. In one sense, it's just the acronym for ISIL/ISIS in Arabic: Dawlat (al-) Islāmiyya ‘Irāq Shām, but it's also an insult.
"Democratic Korps (of those who are) Beneficently Anti-Government"
The Romulan Republic wrote:That is a prejudiced generalization about the Afghani people.
I'd like to know if you have some statistics that show that the vast majority of Afghanis "...mindlessly hate outsiders."
It is, but they haven't exactly been chomping at the bit to bring us back after all he help we gave them either. I will concede that hate was an overly strong word.
And Canada is a minor player compared to the US. I don't dismiss Canada's contributions, but there's only so much Canada can do.
We still went into Kandahar and did our best and died for it. These people should respect that we didn't have to be there helping them and could have just let the extremists take what they wanted and continue to ruin the local economy.
The Romulan Republic wrote:That is a prejudiced generalization about the Afghani people.
I'd like to know if you have some statistics that show that the vast majority of Afghanis "...mindlessly hate outsiders."
It is, but they haven't exactly been chomping at the bit to bring us back after all he help we gave them either. I will concede that hate was an overly strong word.
And Canada is a minor player compared to the US. I don't dismiss Canada's contributions, but there's only so much Canada can do.
We still went into Kandahar and did our best and died for it. These people should respect that we didn't have to be there helping them and could have just let the extremists take what they wanted and continue to ruin the local economy.
Many of them don't regard ANY presence of ANY infidel to be "help" no matter hwat you are doing.
Terralthra wrote:It's similar to the Arabic word for "one who sows discord" or "one who crushes underfoot". It'd be like if the acronym for the some Tea Party thing was "DKBAG" or something. In one sense, it's just the acronym for ISIL/ISIS in Arabic: Dawlat (al-) Islāmiyya ‘Irāq Shām, but it's also an insult.
"Democratic Korps (of those who are) Beneficently Anti-Government"
Joun_Lord wrote:Buddhist extremists who............uh set themselves on fire I think,,,,I can't recall on the top of my head any real cases of Buddhists going all jihad.
The history of Tibet has some outright wars and some really brutal shit involving Buddhist sects. Not terribly well known in the West, although SDN.net has had a couple threads on the topic. Also the Dali Llama has been really good with the PR for Tibetan Buddhism.
To be fair, they were invaded by MAOISTS... if you get invaded by Maoist thugs and DON'T go a little medieval especially when you ARE medieval... ya gotta give them SOME pacifist cred there.
No, sweetheart, I was referring to things like the fifth Dalai Lama, who waged an outright civil war to defeat the secular prince and the rival Buddhist sects, Kagyu and Jonang. That was in the mid 1600's and pre-dated the Maoists by several centuries. There's a lot of blood in Tibetan history, and a lot of it was shed by monks.
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Oh, back on topic - I wonder what Pakistan will do in response to the slaughter of 130 students and the maiming of others?
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If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. - John F. Kennedy
I would like to think that this will lead to more rejection of extremism and strong opposition to the Taliban. But I don't know enough about Pakistan to say.
No, sweetheart, I was referring to things like the fifth Dalai Lama, who waged an outright civil war to defeat the secular prince and the rival Buddhist sects, Kagyu and Jonang. That was in the mid 1600's and pre-dated the Maoists by several centuries. There's a lot of blood in Tibetan history, and a lot of it was shed by monks.
you mentioned PR which I took to mean 20th century or later... but, yes, back on topic.
About pakistan, there is a definite possibility of a coup being that this will seriously mar the credibility of the military junta and-wait... SWEETHEART?
Terralthra wrote:It's similar to the Arabic word for "one who sows discord" or "one who crushes underfoot". It'd be like if the acronym for the some Tea Party thing was "DKBAG" or something. In one sense, it's just the acronym for ISIL/ISIS in Arabic: Dawlat (al-) Islāmiyya ‘Irāq Shām, but it's also an insult.
"Democratic Korps (of those who are) Beneficently Anti-Government"
Joun_Lord wrote:[You're the one (starring Jet Li) who said, "Thing is thuggish hategroups like PEGIDA have exactly zero effect on curbing Islamism where it matters and that's in islamic countries. Their "protesting" in the streets of Dresden is not stopping the Taliban from shooting up any more schools and murdering people." That seems to imply you think people should be doing something about extremists over there which tends to be some sort of intervention. Well that or lobbing a few cruise missiles or drone strikes which arguably makes things worse or have sanctions which hurts only the people we should be giving a damn aboot.
How's that me calling for interventionism? That's a simple statement of fact, if you're concerned about Islamism, marching in Dresden won't do a thing, period. I never implied anything else.
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Joun_Lord wrote:[You're the one (starring Jet Li) who said, "Thing is thuggish hategroups like PEGIDA have exactly zero effect on curbing Islamism where it matters and that's in islamic countries. Their "protesting" in the streets of Dresden is not stopping the Taliban from shooting up any more schools and murdering people." That seems to imply you think people should be doing something about extremists over there which tends to be some sort of intervention. Well that or lobbing a few cruise missiles or drone strikes which arguably makes things worse or have sanctions which hurts only the people we should be giving a damn aboot.
How's that me calling for interventionism? That's a simple statement of fact, if you're concerned about Islamism, marching in Dresden won't do a thing, period. I never implied anything else.
Change marching IN to marching ON and you have a whole different ballgame
Terralthra wrote:It's similar to the Arabic word for "one who sows discord" or "one who crushes underfoot". It'd be like if the acronym for the some Tea Party thing was "DKBAG" or something. In one sense, it's just the acronym for ISIL/ISIS in Arabic: Dawlat (al-) Islāmiyya ‘Irāq Shām, but it's also an insult.
"Democratic Korps (of those who are) Beneficently Anti-Government"
cmdrjones wrote:
Change marching IN to marching ON and you have a whole different ballgame
No, then you have just a sentence that doesn't make sense.
People at birth are naturally good. Their natures are similar, but their habits make them different from each other.
-Sanzi Jing (Three Character Classic)
Saddam’s crime was so bad we literally spent decades looking for our dropped monocles before we could harumph up the gumption to address it
-User Indigo Jump on Pharyngula
O God, please don't let me die today, tomorrow would be so much better!
-Traditional Spathi morning prayer
Looks like the Pakistanis sent some jets just over the border for some retaliation.
A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory.Leonard Nimoy.
Now I did a job. I got nothing but trouble since I did it, not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character so let me make this abundantly clear. I do the job. And then I get paid.- Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity, which sums up my feelings regarding the lawsuit discussed here.
If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. - John F. Kennedy
the relevant link.... Which kinda confirms one of the Pakistani Taliban's stated reasons for the raid in the 1st place......
Terralthra wrote:It's similar to the Arabic word for "one who sows discord" or "one who crushes underfoot". It'd be like if the acronym for the some Tea Party thing was "DKBAG" or something. In one sense, it's just the acronym for ISIL/ISIS in Arabic: Dawlat (al-) Islāmiyya ‘Irāq Shām, but it's also an insult.
"Democratic Korps (of those who are) Beneficently Anti-Government"
cmdrjones wrote:
Change marching IN to marching ON and you have a whole different ballgame
No, then you have just a sentence that doesn't make sense.
Think about it.
Terralthra wrote:It's similar to the Arabic word for "one who sows discord" or "one who crushes underfoot". It'd be like if the acronym for the some Tea Party thing was "DKBAG" or something. In one sense, it's just the acronym for ISIL/ISIS in Arabic: Dawlat (al-) Islāmiyya ‘Irāq Shām, but it's also an insult.
"Democratic Korps (of those who are) Beneficently Anti-Government"
