Star Wars: Rebels

[RogueIce]

Technically we don't know the ISD didn't pursue, we just know the 'Phantom' got away. There's a number of possible explanations (none of them mentioned in the episode naturally) for this-
1. As RI noted, Stealth. The ISD either never noticed the ship leaving to begin with or lost it sometime during pursuit-the 'Ghost' is extremely stealthy and it would only make sense to use the same technology in the 'Phantom' if at all possible, and the name 'is' something of a hint...
2. They did successfully pursue but not in time to prevent it from jumping to hyperspace (nuCanon Wars ability to track ships once in hyperspace without a homing beacon is at best undetermined)
3. The Inquisitor's orders said 'do not get involved until I say otherwise', and with the loss of the shuttle he no longer had the ability to tell the ISD otherwise

I'm going with one of these three, personally.

And really, who cares? Escaping the ISD wasn't the point, not really. They either avoided it or managed to escape in a chase. But we'd seen them run from TIE Fighters already at the start of the episode, and even the pair of ISDs with the Ghost so why waste precious air time on repeating a similar scene?

Better to see Ezra dealing with his Dark Side dalliance, finding out that Hera knows something about his parents (and that she and Kanan are having a discussion about the kid) and of course Sabine giving him a nice little pick-me-up at the end.

[Patroklos]

I was extremely happy to see the first four episodes of this series were available for viewing on my 14 hour flight last week. I couldn't make it past the first ten minutes of any of them.

[Rogue 9]

They're only twenty minutes long, sans commercials.

[Patroklos]

I guess I should have stuck in there. It was probably more like five. I will also admit I do not like the artistic style. Don't read that as its bad, I just personally don't like it.

[Rogue 9]

Something to note from the last episode, by the by. The Ghost changed course mid-hyperspace jump, apparently without leaving and reentering hyperspace. I suppose new canon is doing away with the EU conceit that you can't do that.

[Adam Reynolds]

Something to note from the last episode, by the by. The Ghost changed course mid-hyperspace jump, apparently without leaving and reentering hyperspace. I suppose new canon is doing away with the EU conceit that you can't do that.

That was all but stated in ANH regardless, given that Han boasted about dodging the Empire in hyperspace. Given that they arrived at Alderaan at the end of the scene, it must have been hours later and thus he must have changed course in order to dodge them. Dark Empire comics also featured this as well I believe.

[Darksider]

Something to note from the last episode, by the by. The Ghost changed course mid-hyperspace jump, apparently without leaving and reentering hyperspace. I suppose new canon is doing away with the EU conceit that you can't do that.

That's been gone for years. The Malevolence changed course in hyperspace all the way back in season 1 of TCW.

[Rogue 9]

Something to note from the last episode, by the by. The Ghost changed course mid-hyperspace jump, apparently without leaving and reentering hyperspace. I suppose new canon is doing away with the EU conceit that you can't do that.

That's been gone for years. The Malevolence changed course in hyperspace all the way back in season 1 of TCW.

I see. Never watched Clone Wars. Excuse me, I have some Trekkies to correct.

[Adam Reynolds]

I see. Never watched Clone Wars. Excuse me, I have some Trekkies to correct.

I would hesitate to use the series in a versus debate unless the other side brings it up first. This is due to the issues that we have seen, primarily involving weapon accuracy given that we see the destroyers chasing the Malevolence miss, against a nearly 5 km long target.

I would stock with the point from ANH.

[The Romulan Republic]

I finally saw some episodes of Rebels today (the one where the main characters steal from an Imperial academy and the one where they're helping a Rodian escape from the Empire and being tracked through hyperspace). They were okay but not as good as The Clone Wars at its best. However, it was lovely seeing the OT Imperial stuff.

[Rogue 9]

I just noticed something. During the Inquisitor's first encounter with Kanan, he said that Kanan must have trained with Depa Billaba, because Master Billaba emphasized lightsaber Form III. I thought nothing of it at the time, but I was poking around Wookieepedia and found the article on her, which says that she learned Form VII from Mace Windu, and fell to the Dark Side and then into a coma early in the Clone Wars. So, what gives?

[Purple]

I just noticed something. During the Inquisitor's first encounter with Kanan, he said that Kanan must have trained with Depa Billaba, because Master Billaba emphasized lightsaber Form III. I thought nothing of it at the time, but I was poking around Wookieepedia and found the article on her, which says that she learned Form VII from Mace Windu, and fell to the Dark Side and then into a coma early in the Clone Wars. So, what gives?

A difference in classification methods between the Empire and Jedi?

[Crazedwraith]

TV Series not giving a damn about the old EU more like. That info is from the novel Shatterpoint.

[Rogue 9]

Yeah, but you'd think if they were going to reuse something at all, they'd stay consistent. Doesn't really bode well for Base Delta Zero, if the series ever does elaborate on that Imperial news report - which I doubt they will, really, since razing a planet is pretty dark for a show aimed at kids.

At any rate, Yoda features in the next episode.

[DarthPooky]

I would hesitate to use the series in a versus debate unless the other side brings it up first. This is due to the issues that we have seen, primarily involving weapon accuracy given that we see the destroyers chasing the Malevolence miss, against a nearly 5 km long target.

Brian Young brings out a good point that star wars shields have a deflector component that works to deflect enemy fire. I personally like that explanation because twenty-first century earth is capable of hitting a target within a few meters. How much more so would the accuracy of a galaxy spanning civilization that has existed for twenty five millennia be when you consider the technology a there disposal.

[Adam Reynolds]

Brian Young brings out a good point that star wars shields have a deflector component that works to deflect enemy fire. I personally like that explanation because twenty-first century earth is capable of hitting a target within a few meters. How much more so would the accuracy of a galaxy spanning civilization that has existed for twenty five millennia be when you consider the technology a there disposal.

I hate to take this thread too far off topic, but the issue is that the shots never hit in the first place. And this is the same series in which both clone troopers and battle droids repeatedly shoot the same spot on the wall whenever their side needs to loose. The animators cheated and made things less accuarate to make things easier for themselves given their limited budgets. We never see inaccuracies of that sort in the films, star destroyers chasing the Millennium Falcon have better accuracy against the small maneuvering smuggling vessel.

My point was that trying to put the series on the same level as the movies, even if both are apparently canon, is problematic from an analysis and thus versus perspective.

[biostem]

I don't know if everyone saw the latest episode, so just in case, the below may have spoilers:



1. This episode depicted a pretty dark take on Jedi training - Kanan & Ezra enter a somewhat old Jedi temple, and in a large are the preserved remains of a lot of Jedi, all in a kneeling position. It is revealed that the masters would kneel in the grand room, and wait as their Padowans would go into a separate part of the temple to face trials. Since the door required a Jedi and master to work together to open it, if the Padowan didn't pass the trials, both were doomed to a slow death trapped inside.

2. At this point in the collected media, I don't get why the Jedi are intentionally vague with their instructions. Would it really kill them to be more clear - "You will see things once you go in there, which will test your limits" or such. It just seems that these tests are basically "pass or die" scenarios - I'm just having a hard time imagining going from younglings practicing with light-batons to solo hallucination-inducing tests that can kill you.

3. We see Ezra's lightsabre, but it's basically at the culmination of the episode.

[FaxModem1]

I think the reason for that is that we've seen what happens when a padawan goes into becoming a Jedi for the wrong reasons, and that would forever mar their life and their choices. If Ezra, for instance, stayed focused on revenge, that would show bad teaching on the part of the Master. Presumably, the padawan only enters that temple once actually ready. If not, the Master would become a threat to the Jedi Order as they would view padawans as disposable and enter them into the temple's test lightly, before they were ready.

[bilateralrope]

Were the remains of the other masters really there, or were they just another illusion ?

[Irbis]

I just noticed something. During the Inquisitor's first encounter with Kanan, he said that Kanan must have trained with Depa Billaba, because Master Billaba emphasized lightsaber Form III. I thought nothing of it at the time, but I was poking around Wookieepedia and found the article on her, which says that she learned Form VII from Mace Windu, and fell to the Dark Side and then into a coma early in the Clone Wars. So, what gives?

Given that there are 10.000 Jedi and at best 8-10 known lightsaber forms, that guess was complete and utter bullshit anyway as every form had to have hundreds if not thousands of practitioners. Really? They play up Inquisitor as scary in such lame way?

It would be one thing if he pointed out something that had a chance to actually be unique, such as a variant of lightsaber construction, or some force technique idiosyncrasy, but pointing it based on style is like saying you had to train under Chuck Norris after witnessing roundhouse kick

Also, I really don't like Ezra's lightsaber. Not only it's tiny considering it was made from random junk, it also has equally tiny blaster built in. And both without any drawbacks, despite not enough space for power cell, you'd think if random kid can construct these every bounty hunter or soldier around would also have small backup (or even main) weapon.

Though, in a hindsight, such a weapon would work wonderfully in all the blade-blade dramatic push of war scenes. You lock blades with opponent, then put a few blaster shots in his now unguarded chest. You'd expect Sith to think of this earlier if it really was so easy

[Purple]

Maybe the sith just figure that their "superior"* mastery of the force means they don't need such tricks.

*As in inflated by a power mad superiority complex

[Irbis]

If Maul/Dooku/Anakin had this, they would easily win their last fights. Served them right

[RogueIce]

That assumes it can fire while the blade is activated.

[AniThyng]

1. This episode depicted a pretty dark take on Jedi training - Kanan & Ezra enter a somewhat old Jedi temple, and in a large are the preserved remains of a lot of Jedi, all in a kneeling position. It is revealed that the masters would kneel in the grand room, and wait as their Padowans would go into a separate part of the temple to face trials. Since the door required a Jedi and master to work together to open it, if the Padowan didn't pass the trials, both were doomed to a slow death trapped inside.

That does strike me as a remarkably dark and disturbing concept to put in what is basically a kid's show...

[DarthPooky]

I personaly wouldn't totally discount the ICS because (and feel free to correct me if im wrong) Curtis saxton as far as I now got his stats from the movies and Gorge Lucas was involved to a Certain extant are thay would pass notes to get Lucas's approval. Wouldn't that be considerd canon at leest to a lesser extant. Like the TM is ware we take into account what it says but if it contradicts the shows and movies then the shows and movies take presidents.