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Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-20 09:31am

interesting thing today - every morning in school, we stand up and listen to the pledge. today, first class was german class, and every time before ive seen them all stand up. this time, a third didnt, and the rest were looking rather serious about it.

also, a chick in my science class who as been against the war for as long as Ive known, said she supported the war cuz she heard about how the iraqis were treated.

I thot it interesting.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-03-20 10:03am

Your school actually still says the pledge of allegance every morning? Wow. I'm impressed.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-20 10:36am

yeah, most of the schools Ive been to do that. you dont have to stand, and some dont.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-03-20 12:28pm

I still stand, even though I hate the current adminstration. Granted when I say the pledge I say the orignal.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-03-20 12:52pm

You do it too, AD? I thought they'd stopped that in all schools across the US. Am I that old?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-03-20 02:28pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:You do it too, AD? I thought they'd stopped that in all schools across the US. Am I that old?

No, My school in arizona still recites the pledge. Most schools do. My school however doesnt force it.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-20 02:44pm

My high school still did it. We also had something called "the moment of silence" (which is just code for prayer in schools).

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-03-20 02:56pm

which has actually been ruled unconstitutional(yes, moments of silence are) Happened back in the 80s

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-20 03:24pm

we have moments of silence for teen deaths by car accident, 9/11, and outright war.

oh, and today was the most unpolitical day I ever saw at my school. iraq was like the great there/not there; on everyone's minds, on no one's lips. I was in one convo I didnt start about it, and the others felt stilted.

we were all chatting about the daily gossip, field trips, relationships, classes, music. reminds me of theonion article - america wishes it could concentrate on stupid shit again.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-03-20 03:30pm

I never associated the Pledge with the actions of the current administration. So while one can still give the pledge, which supposedly honors America, it is different than doing so to the actions of the current government.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-03-20 03:38pm

neoolong wrote:I never associated the Pledge with the actions of the current administration. So while one can still give the pledge, which supposedly honors America, it is different than doing so to the actions of the current government.

I se the original pledge. I am not pledging alegnce to the country, but rather to the republic. and as such, am finding more difficult to pledge allegance to a republic that spits in my face.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-03-20 06:13pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:Your school actually still says the pledge of allegance every morning? Wow. I'm impressed.

My school does that, too. Although, sometimes, they forget.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-03-20 07:17pm

Durran Korr wrote:My high school still did it. We also had something called "the moment of silence" (which is just code for prayer in schools).

Well, you don't have to spend the moment of silence praying, or at least the one at my school. Was it any different at your school?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-20 07:23pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:My high school still did it. We also had something called "the moment of silence" (which is just code for prayer in schools).
Well, you don't have to spend the moment of silence praying, or at least the one at my school. Was it any different at your school?

They don't force you to pray, but let's not kid ourselves. There is no other conceivable reason why a moment of silence needs to be taken at the start of every school day.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-03-20 07:54pm

In my old schools they made you stand up for it, but the teachers didn't really care if you didn't say anything. I didn't. I thought it was stupid. After all, I try to be as honorable as possible, and if I said that pledge while I was selling secrets to the Commies I would be a hypocrite.

Gotta be ready for any occasion...

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-20 08:46pm

Durran Korr wrote:They don't force you to pray, but let's not kid ourselves. There is no other conceivable reason why a moment of silence needs to be taken at the start of every school day.

Of course, Christians assume that everyone prays like they do: drearily and depressingly. What if I want to pray to Baal, who likes it when I stand up and make lots of noise?

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-03-20 09:53pm

Durran Korr wrote:
Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:My high school still did it. We also had something called "the moment of silence" (which is just code for prayer in schools).
Well, you don't have to spend the moment of silence praying, or at least the one at my school. Was it any different at your school?
They don't force you to pray, but let's not kid ourselves. There is no other conceivable reason why a moment of silence needs to be taken at the start of every school day.

Of course, but do they make you pray to a certain god (if at all), as is the case with school prayer. Is a student embarrased if they don't pray during that time? Still, I think that is someone wants to pray, they can do it on their own time, and consider such moments uncessary.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-03-20 10:03pm

At my high school, the pledge was the pre-recorded run-in to the daily news show (so it occurred about 50 minutes into the school day). It was fairly rare to say it.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-03-20 11:04pm

Most schools still says the pledge.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-20 11:25pm

WTF?! No more Pledge in most schools!?!!? Fucking Ultra-PC Pinko Pantywaists!

Durandal wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:They don't force you to pray, but let's not kid ourselves. There is no other conceivable reason why a moment of silence needs to be taken at the start of every school day.
Of course, Christians assume that everyone prays like they do: drearily and depressingly. What if I want to pray to Baal, who likes it when I stand up and make lots of noise?

ROTFLMMFGDQQAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-03-20 11:34pm

ArmorPierce wrote:Most schools still says the pledge.

My elementary school said the pledge for the Kindergarten, first, and second grade classes. Other than that, none of my schools (or the other schools in the district) ever said the pledge on a daily basis. At assemblies, they'd start off with the pledge.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-03-21 01:54am

My HS required you to get your lazy bum outta your seat for the pledge. You didn't have to say it, although I did.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-03-21 02:17am

Durandal wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:They don't force you to pray, but let's not kid ourselves. There is no other conceivable reason why a moment of silence needs to be taken at the start of every school day.
Of course, Christians assume that everyone prays like they do: drearily and depressingly. What if I want to pray to Baal, who likes it when I stand up and make lots of noise?

That would have made an interesting experiment in Catholic school.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-21 02:22am

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:
Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote: Well, you don't have to spend the moment of silence praying, or at least the one at my school. Was it any different at your school?
They don't force you to pray, but let's not kid ourselves. There is no other conceivable reason why a moment of silence needs to be taken at the start of every school day.
Of course, but do they make you pray to a certain god (if at all), as is the case with school prayer. Is a student embarrased if they don't pray during that time? Still, I think that is someone wants to pray, they can do it on their own time, and consider such moments uncessary.

Kids aren't forced to do anything. Most people, including the teachers, just sit there and stare vacantly for as long as it lasts (I know I did). The point is that it is clearly caving into the demands of religious types who demand time be set aside for prayer in school. School is for learning, nor spiritual bullshit. The moment of silence really accomplishes nothing that public schools ought to be doing.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-21 02:26am

IG-88E wrote:My HS required you to get your lazy bum outta your seat for the pledge. You didn't have to say it, although I did.

Near the end of HS I went through a Angry Libertarian (tm) phase and abstained from saying the pledge. No one gave me any shit for it, though.