Oh this is rich: Illnois Senate bill to ban 12 gauges
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Oh this is rich: Illnois Senate bill to ban 12 gauges
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State Senate bill takes aim at shotguns
March 18, 2003
Jeff Lampe
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Illinois firearm owners are up in arms over a new piece of gun-control legislation in the state Senate. Figuratively up in arms, mind you. At least for now.
The specific source of concern is Senate Bill 1195, which has passed out of committee and could come up for a vote this week. The bill would make it illegal for Illinoisans to own or take delivery of a long list of guns that includes "any firearm having a caliber of 50 or greater."
For those who aren't gunsmiths, that means while you would still be able to own a .410 shotgun or a 38- gauge shotgun - if you can find one - your trusty 10- gauge, 12-gauge, 20-gauge and even 28-gauge shotguns would all have to be turned over to police and destroyed.
The primary sponsor of the bill is Sen. Antonio Munoz, D-Chicago. The architect of the bill is Chicago Mayor Richard Daley. The concern about the bill may be well- founded.
"This is the centerpiece of what (Daley) wanted. This is a message to every hunter and every shotgun owner out there. You are in their sights, too," said Richard Pearson, president of the Illinois State Rifle Association.
Locally, Sen. George Shadid, D-Edwards, said he does not favor the bill.
Frankly, I can't see how any other senators could support such a ridiculous piece of legislation. As a rule I do not report much about gun-control legislation. But this bill's attempt to lump shotguns under the heading "semi-automatic assault weapon" is deceptive, to say the least. Conjure up an image of an "assault weapon." Do you see a shotgun in that picture?
I have heard fairly compelling arguments about the need to get Uzis off the streets. I will never hear a compelling argument about the need to get shotguns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens. Yet this bill will pass if it receives support from 30 of 59 Senate members.
"If I knew they only had 26 votes (in support) I wouldn't be worried," Pearson said. "But we don't know that yet. My gut reaction is if sportsmen get organized we can stop this thing. But if sportsmen aren't organized. . . "
The Senate bill would not create law in and of itself, of course. Similar legislation would have to pass through the House. And Gov. Rod Blagojevich would have to sign the bill - a signature that would instantly turn Blagojevich into a liar.
Remember, earlier this fall on the campaign trail Blagojevich signed a pledge stating, "I will protect the rights of sportsmen in Illinois to participate in these and other outdoor activities, by making the most effective use of the resources available . . . and by consistently defending their rights to carry out these activities."
Obviously, banning the shotguns most commonly used by hunters goes against that pledge.
To help make that point, the ISRA will hold a rally Thursday morning at 9 a.m. in Springfield. Meet at the Stratton Building Cafeteria, located across from the Illinois Capitol Building.
If you can't make the trip, call your senator and voice your opinion.
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Sorry. Right now, I'm enjoying a bit of Schadenfreud over those
poor hunters, who didn't give a damn when they passed bills
outlawing "assault rifles", but now that their precious shotguns
are under attack, they're running around like organ grinder monkeys
State Senate bill takes aim at shotguns
March 18, 2003
Jeff Lampe
jlampe@pjstar.com
Illinois firearm owners are up in arms over a new piece of gun-control legislation in the state Senate. Figuratively up in arms, mind you. At least for now.
The specific source of concern is Senate Bill 1195, which has passed out of committee and could come up for a vote this week. The bill would make it illegal for Illinoisans to own or take delivery of a long list of guns that includes "any firearm having a caliber of 50 or greater."
For those who aren't gunsmiths, that means while you would still be able to own a .410 shotgun or a 38- gauge shotgun - if you can find one - your trusty 10- gauge, 12-gauge, 20-gauge and even 28-gauge shotguns would all have to be turned over to police and destroyed.
The primary sponsor of the bill is Sen. Antonio Munoz, D-Chicago. The architect of the bill is Chicago Mayor Richard Daley. The concern about the bill may be well- founded.
"This is the centerpiece of what (Daley) wanted. This is a message to every hunter and every shotgun owner out there. You are in their sights, too," said Richard Pearson, president of the Illinois State Rifle Association.
Locally, Sen. George Shadid, D-Edwards, said he does not favor the bill.
Frankly, I can't see how any other senators could support such a ridiculous piece of legislation. As a rule I do not report much about gun-control legislation. But this bill's attempt to lump shotguns under the heading "semi-automatic assault weapon" is deceptive, to say the least. Conjure up an image of an "assault weapon." Do you see a shotgun in that picture?
I have heard fairly compelling arguments about the need to get Uzis off the streets. I will never hear a compelling argument about the need to get shotguns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens. Yet this bill will pass if it receives support from 30 of 59 Senate members.
"If I knew they only had 26 votes (in support) I wouldn't be worried," Pearson said. "But we don't know that yet. My gut reaction is if sportsmen get organized we can stop this thing. But if sportsmen aren't organized. . . "
The Senate bill would not create law in and of itself, of course. Similar legislation would have to pass through the House. And Gov. Rod Blagojevich would have to sign the bill - a signature that would instantly turn Blagojevich into a liar.
Remember, earlier this fall on the campaign trail Blagojevich signed a pledge stating, "I will protect the rights of sportsmen in Illinois to participate in these and other outdoor activities, by making the most effective use of the resources available . . . and by consistently defending their rights to carry out these activities."
Obviously, banning the shotguns most commonly used by hunters goes against that pledge.
To help make that point, the ISRA will hold a rally Thursday morning at 9 a.m. in Springfield. Meet at the Stratton Building Cafeteria, located across from the Illinois Capitol Building.
If you can't make the trip, call your senator and voice your opinion.
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Sorry. Right now, I'm enjoying a bit of Schadenfreud over those
poor hunters, who didn't give a damn when they passed bills
outlawing "assault rifles", but now that their precious shotguns
are under attack, they're running around like organ grinder monkeys
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Sirus, for the last fifteen years, every time a gun control bill has come up,Sir Sirius wrote:
Why ban shotguns? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
the goddamned elmer fudds of the gun community have sold their
fellow gun owners out. These guys have gladly sacrificed ARs, AKs,
and the like, in order to fully protect their favorites from the saw.
Now, the gun control freaks have moved on to their next target (yes,
they always had this in mind from the beginning), and finally, these
damn Elmer Fudds are waking up to the TRUTH.
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Shotguns?!?!?!
thats nuts. America is weird, your gun laws are to liberal for my liking, but your gun control types are idiots..Shotguns?! I dont get it at all...
thats nuts. America is weird, your gun laws are to liberal for my liking, but your gun control types are idiots..Shotguns?! I dont get it at all...
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Welcome to America, where we really do have reasons for some of our stereotypes.Stuart Mackey wrote:Shotguns?!?!?!
thats nuts. America is weird, your gun laws are to liberal for my liking, but your gun control types are idiots..Shotguns?! I dont get it at all...
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Slippery slope fallacy. It's perfectly reasonable and possible to ban assault rifles and don't restrict shotguns. In Portugal, there are no restrictions to have a shotgun (beyond a licence) and you'd have to go through hell and back to buy an uzi.Sorry. Right now, I'm enjoying a bit of Schadenfreud over those
poor hunters, who didn't give a damn when they passed bills
outlawing "assault rifles", but now that their precious shotguns
are under attack, they're running around like organ grinder monkeys
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Colonel Olrik wrote: Slippery slope fallacy. It's perfectly reasonable and possible to ban assault rifles and don't restrict shotguns. In Portugal, there are no restrictions to have a shotgun (beyond a licence) and you'd have to go through hell and back to buy an uzi.
Slippery Slope Fallacy my ass. They started with Assault Rifles, and
are now moving onto shotguns.
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Thank you for describing our gun control movement in one simple,Colonel Olrik wrote: Then they're all stupid dumbfucks who do not know the first thing about logic
declarative sentence
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God, your not wrong..The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Welcome to America, where we really do have reasons for some of our stereotypes.Stuart Mackey wrote:Shotguns?!?!?!
thats nuts. America is weird, your gun laws are to liberal for my liking, but your gun control types are idiots..Shotguns?! I dont get it at all...
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Stuart Mackey wrote: God, your not wrong..
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
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Err, where on earth did you get that?MKSheppard wrote:[img]snip[/img]Stuart Mackey wrote: God, your not wrong..
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Shep, until the rest of the constitutionalists like you and me are willing to march and be vocal, shit like this will keep happening. it is not enough to fund NRA lobbyists, we have to take to the streets and physically show our numbers....goddammit this pisses me off
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www.ar15.comStuart Mackey wrote: Err, where on earth did you get that?
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He looks like a steriotypical inbred southern redneckMKSheppard wrote:www.ar15.comStuart Mackey wrote: Err, where on earth did you get that?
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In other words, me. (at least according to Eleas' worldview)Stuart Mackey wrote: He looks like a steriotypical inbred southern redneck
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Yeah, but you dont got a pistol..MKSheppard wrote:In other words, me. (at least according to Eleas' worldview)Stuart Mackey wrote: He looks like a steriotypical inbred southern redneck
that we know of...
we hope...
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Bah, who needs a puny .25 Lorcin when you can have 3,000 pounds ofStuart Mackey wrote: Yeah, but you dont got a pistol..
that we know of...
we hope...
steel?
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"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
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Fair nuff..MKSheppard wrote:Bah, who needs a puny .25 Lorcin when you can have 3,000 pounds ofStuart Mackey wrote: Yeah, but you dont got a pistol..
that we know of...
we hope...
steel?
One day I will have a class C gun licence..then I shall be able to own Heavy artillery
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