Who's Smarter?

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2003-03-21 12:39pm

Who's Smarter?
by Cindy Osborne

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid" , "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of the "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale
University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and
Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)

Vice President Dick Cheney earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell was educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also
participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal,
the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator ; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge was raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981.

(Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15,
graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.)

She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of
Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed
audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's
Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the
Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the
University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. She resides in Washington, D.C.

So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:

Barbra Streisand: Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting

Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting

Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting

Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting

Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
Career: Acting

Julia Roberts: Completed high school
Career: Acting

Sean Penn: Completed High school
Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting

Ed Asner: Completed High school
Career: Acting

George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting

Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director

Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School
Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School
Career: Acting

Mike Farrell: Completed High school
Career: ActingJaneane Garofalo: Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne

Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.

These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from
Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating
terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want to hold
rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest,
God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.

Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, there is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used
against us in our own cities.

So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it
the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average
American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?

The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a
shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!

It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate
ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.

Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Kumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not
end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-03-21 12:53pm

Education is not quarantee of intelligence.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Ar ... arfati.asp

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-03-21 01:00pm

Perhaps, Sirius, but what have these actors done for their country other than provide entertainment? While that is all well and good, Bush, Powell, Rumsfeld and Ridge (Cheney was in school during Vietnam) all served in the military. All six are from diverse backgrounds. Ms. Rice is also a VERY accomplished pianist. Plus they all went into a field related to their respective degrees.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-03-21 01:05pm

If a different political party were in power (guess which), and they opted for a different course of action on this situation, would they be "right" for all the reasons mentioned in the article?

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-03-21 01:30pm

You'd think that a writer could tell the difference between knowledge, and wisdom(To paraphrase Dexxter Jettster)

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-03-21 01:34pm

Sir Sirius wrote:Education is not quarantee of intelligence.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Ar ... arfati.asp

Yes, but a lack of education isn't either.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-03-21 01:40pm

Darth Gojira wrote:You'd think that a writer could tell the difference between knowledge, and wisdom(To paraphrase Dexxter Jettster)

And you concider an actor wise?

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-03-21 01:44pm

Kelly Antilles wrote: And you concider an actor wise?

Well, I'd certainly do whatever Jennifer Anniston said, just as long as she ditches the Pitt guy first.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-03-21 01:44pm

*Claps*

Damn straight.

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-03-21 01:44pm

I'm sure these actors have put a great deal of time and thought into deep political contemplation and following events throughout the world surely comes easily for them. We all know the deep core of sincerity and meaning that exists in Hollywood, after all.

We should also bear in mind the amount of information that these Hollywood actors receive-- with their resources I am sure that the CIA, NSA, NRO and the other Intelligence branches share information with them at a regular pace.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-03-21 02:07pm

Coyote wrote:I'm sure these actors have put a great deal of time and thought into deep political contemplation and following events throughout the world surely comes easily for them. We all know the deep core of sincerity and meaning that exists in Hollywood, after all.

If you want one great example of a Hollywood know-nothing, take a gander at Reagan.

We should also bear in mind the amount of information that these Hollywood actors receive-- with their resources I am sure that the CIA, NSA, NRO and the other Intelligence branches share information with them at a regular pace.

Bush hasn't listened to the CIA, so why should hollywood?

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-03-21 02:07pm

Pardon my stupidity, but I thought you were sincere for the first sentence there...

FYI, I was adressing Coyote there.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-03-21 02:13pm

Ham, You got a problem with the Greatest President since FRD.. Bring it

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-03-21 02:26pm

Hameru, even rabid Clintonites gaze back fondly at the "good old days" with Ronald Reagan. You are such a leftist apologist that you'll accept anything, any injustice, so long as it makes a conservative or a Republican look bad.

How old are you, Hameru? Do you remember the Cold War? Do you remember the way people used to feel about nuclear war? People did not talk about "if there is a nuclear war". They talked about "when the nuclear war happens..." The US-USSR confrontation was a given that was waiting for a triggering event. Even most Lefties figured it was going to happen sooner or later.

Reagan knew that the USSR could not keep up with the US economy. So yes, he spent like mad. He spent money we didn't have and spent some more. He took a chance and the Soviets couldn't call his bluff. They collapsed as a result.

He didn't spend a drop of blood. He spent dollars, not lives.

Now, if you'd prefer we fought it out, and saved our money in exchange for a few million lives, well, that's your call. That's your value system, not mine.

In the case of the Iraq war, we'll be stopping a cruel dictator's incessant hemorrage of innocent lives. It is unfortunate that we need to use force to do it, but Saddam could have saved the world a lot of grief by backing down and accepting exile. We were even willing to contemplate immunity from prosecution for him.

But your guest room was full of boxes, I guess.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-03-21 02:32pm

Coyote, damm straight, I was a freshmen in Highschool in 1980 I saw Reagan, speak twice in the next 8 years.Hameru, "he is not a american" so he does not realize what Reagan ment to us after 4 years of Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale.. It truly was the rebirth of the American spirit... If anybody wants to piss on the Gipper they have to go through me first..

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-03-21 02:40pm

Coyote wrote:Hameru, even rabid Clintonites gaze back fondly at the "good old days" with Ronald Reagan. You are such a leftist apologist that you'll accept anything, any injustice, so long as it makes a conservative or a Republican look bad.

There's not a more rabid partisan here than you Coyote. Almost every post of yours is a bash on the liberals even if the topic has nothing to do with them

How old are you, Hameru? Do you remember the Cold War? Do you remember the way people used to feel about nuclear war? People did not talk about "if there is a nuclear war". They talked about "when the nuclear war happens..." The US-USSR confrontation was a given that was waiting for a triggering event. Even most Lefties figured it was going to happen sooner or later.

No need to lecture me about the cold war.

Now, if you'd prefer we fought it out, and saved our money in exchange for a few million lives, well, that's your call. That's your value system, not mine.

This is strange, because I've never made any comments so far about how the cold war should be dealt with.

In the case of the Iraq war, we'll be stopping a cruel dictator's incessant hemorrage of innocent lives. It is unfortunate that we need to use force to do it, but Saddam could have saved the world a lot of grief by backing down and accepting exile. We were even willing to contemplate immunity from prosecution for him.

This administration is going to war over some danger that he's supposed to pose to us in the future (even though all the evidence points out otherwise). We never had intentions to work out another solution anyway (gun-to-the-head diplomacy doesn't exactly count)

But your guest room was full of boxes, I guess.

Whatever that means, man

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-03-21 02:46pm

There's not a more rabid partisan here than you Coyote. Almost every post of yours is a bash on the liberals even if the topic has nothing to do with them

and you take a shot at Bush and the US every chance you get...

No need to lecture me about the cold war

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-03-21 02:50pm

and you take a shot at Bush and the US every chance you get...

I take shots at him when the situation calls for it, yes. I don't know what you mean by taking a shot at the US, unless you're referring to the facts i've presented on the lies our administration has produced on behalf of my country.

Darth Wong and a few others take more shots at him than I do, btw

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-03-21 02:52pm

Jesus christ did I screw that up

Try again: Hameru You bash Bush and the Us everychance you get. Its the same thing.

2. You bashed Reagan.. Same context The cold war is Reagan

3. Never had any intentions to work out another solution: Bullshit what was 12years and 17 resolutions for...

NEXT

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-03-21 02:58pm

Hameru wrote:There's not a more rabid partisan here than you Coyote. Almost every post of yours is a bash on the liberals even if the topic has nothing to do with them

I give that which is deserved. You may have missed my points where I say that I support the rights of the protesters to protest and that they are expressing their feelings as guaranteed by the First Amendment; as well as other non-related topics such as freedom for Palestinians and the right to choose an abortion. Not typical partisan stances.

No need to lecture me about the cold war.

It seemed somebody had to.

This is strange, because I've never made any comments so far about how the cold war should be dealt with.

Then perhaps you'll share with me what it is about Reagan you dislike? The biggest and most consistent complaint I've heard is his defecit spending and massive defense buildup. If there's something else, I'd like to hear it.

... We never had intentions to work out another solution anyway (gun-to-the-head diplomacy doesn't exactly count)

There wasn't much that could be done: the inspectors could only go where Saddam would let them go. The most likely places for WMDs were off-limits.