Skimmer and Stas Bush

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-21 02:28pm

Durran,
neither do I dislike the war because our government said so. It's because of my personal beliefs.
I don't consider the war bad for US. I just don't like agressors, no matter how righteous they are. It's just all about personal beliefs. Sorry for flaming and all the bad things I've done.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-03-21 02:29pm

Stas WILL YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY?

Are you Crue's alterego and/or sockpuppet?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-03-21 02:30pm

Stas Bush wrote:So you think Germany, Russia and France are wrong because they are against this war? I don't believe Saddam. I don't think our government does. But I belive our government. Not Saddam not you - you and Saddy are IN the war.

I think Germany and Russia are foolishly optimistic.. I know France is too concerned with it's economic ties to Iraq to think clearly. But the French piss me off to no end, something about England always being the one to find their BS.

You're patriotic and so am I. My country does not like that war. And I'm one with my country. You're one with your's.

I'm not 'one with my country'. I back this war for one reason: Iraq needs this regime removed, especially before Saddam's fucknut sons get in charge. Then they will be a threat to everyone everywhere, from what I've read about those two.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-03-21 02:34pm

Stas Bush = TROLLING (insert expletive including 'F*ck' here)ER

Dude, have you just lost all sense of reality? You don't think a man who tortures, rapes, and kills horribly should be ousted from power?

WTF is wrong with you?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-21 02:34pm

Hameru
Yeah I will

But I'm not anyone's alter ego. I'm a real man from Russia, Omsk. Stanislav Sergeevitch Bush.
I don't see any point discussing this further. We have to see war and consequences with our own eyes. Then we'll see.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-21 02:38pm

Nathan F
Hey, I'm not trolling. If you come to a Russian forum and start a pro-war theme, you will probably be also named "troll", but that's not how it has to be.
//You don't think a man who tortures, rapes, and kills horribly should be ousted from power? //
I think he has to. But it's the Iraq or UN business. America is IMHO not the "policeman of the world". It's not the role to be taken by any country. The UN was made for the purpose. If UN does not sanction the war, too bad.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-21 02:41pm

Stas Bush wrote:Hameru
Yeah I will But I'm not anyone's alter ego. I'm a real man from Russia, Omsk. Stanislav Sergeevitch Bush.
I don't see any point discussing this further. We have to see war and consequences with our own eyes. Then we'll see.

OK you think this was is not justified can you tell us how to remove Saddam?
And by the way did you ever approved what Putin did in Chechnya?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-21 02:45pm

Montcalm
I suggest you don't make any analogy with Chechnya. It's a part of OUR country. Iraq is an INDEPENDENT country.

The removing of Saddam is either the Iraq business or the UN business.

Soulman · Post by **Soulman** » 2003-03-21 02:46pm

Stas Bush wrote:Durran,
neither do I dislike the war because our government said so. It's because of my personal beliefs.
I don't consider the war bad for US. I just don't like agressors, no matter how righteous they are. It's just all about personal beliefs. Sorry for flaming and all the bad things I've done.

You don't like any aggressors? So, theoretically, if another dictorship takes control of Russia and starts killing millions of people (maybe even your family members and friends) you wouldn't want anyone to invade and help you? No matter how many millions die horribly, are tortured or made to slave away until death in work camps we should never attack a sovereign nation?

If Hitler had been stopped as soon as his troops crossed the Rhine 30 million of your own people wouldn't have died. It is people like you who allow dictatorships to survive, who help keep millions suffering.

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-03-21 02:48pm

Hameru wrote:And as long as we remember Saddam's atrocities, let us not ever forget who helped him out. Unforturnately, pro-war types desperately try to shift focus away from what we did to help our "son of a bitch"...

Actually, I have made it one of my supporting arguments for why we have a responsibility to go in there and oust him. And again, remember, when we supported him, he did seem like a better bet than the medieval regime of the Ayatollahs. Too bad you weren't there to tell the future.

I'm satisfied with what the inspectors are doing. Have they been able to inspect every inch of Iraq? No. However, the Iraqis certainly didn't forget about how we attempted to spy there in 1998.

The inspectors were never going to get the chance to inspect every inch of Iraq. The inspectors were never going to be given permission to inspect the Republican Guard bases, exactly where these things would be at? What if someone came in to inspect US nukes and we said, "okay, you can inspect the Mall of the Americas and Disneyland, but not any military sites. Yeah, right.

And heaven forbid we should spy on someone who has clearly broken his promises and engaged in mass murder.

And you pro-war types nod your heads at an administration full of liars...

As opposed to bobbleheading any statement made by Saddam? You are just as guilty of mindlessly and robotically agreeing with anything Saddam Hussein-- ethnic cleanser, torturer, WMD user and proliferator-- says. Any promise he makes is 100% golden.

There is "evidence" that the US overstated and lied about some things, totally botched the presentation of others so as to make any information useless, yet the regime of Saddam is blameless and innocent. You are a head-nodding robot for Saddam Hussein, I am a head-nodding robot for George Bush. Well, better pot-luck with George Bush than Humble Pie under Saddam. I support a dimbulbed oil baron; your chosen champion is a genocidal maniac that gasses civilians, starves his people, and tortures. Nice to know where we stand.

Amazing how the pro-war types never gave a shit about anyone other than themselves, yet when they have a breakthrough oppurtunity to flex their patriotic muscles they play the justice and compassion cards.

Well, at least I play these cards eventually. You keep the justice and compassion on your sleeve and never actually use them. You could give a shit about the Iraqis as long as they die by the truckload to make Bush look bad. Where's the justice and compassion you chastized us about when Clinton engaged in a unilateral war of regime change without UN backing for humanitarian reasons?

Milosivec had no WMDs and killed far fewer people, and had never once tangled with the US for any reason-- but you Lefties were all over that war-wagon. Of course, we had a nice boy Democrat protecting the lives of poor white European Muslims from a cruel dictator. Now that only poor brown Arab Muslims are dying under a cruel dictator-- and there's oil to throw suspicion on our motives-- we best just let nature take its course.

The only things different are the political party of the President involved, and the race of the people under the tyrant's boot. So you're either a cynical political opportunist or a racist... or both. Take your pick.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-21 02:49pm

Stas Bush wrote:Montcalm
I suggest you don't make any analogy with Chechnya. It's a part of OUR country. Iraq is an INDEPENDENT country.

The removing of Saddam is either the Iraq business or the UN business.

But they want to be independant

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-03-21 02:51pm

chechnya did declare independence, of course you have to maintain the offensive against them so you can pay your fucking soldiers.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-21 02:54pm

Soulman

you wouldn't want anyone to invade and help you?

Exactly. When USSR was invaded by the Reich, the Russian's didn't need Germans. Although USSR was a dictatorship. See? It's different - talking about a dictatorship and living in it.
I assume you never had to. But I lived.
// If Hitler had been stopped as soon as his troops crossed the Rhine//
My grandfather, Alexander Bush, would probalbly killed in the war against Germany, NOT captured by the Russians on Volga, not sent into exile by the Soviets. I was not to be born. See?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-21 02:57pm

Chechnya? Independence? They are a part of the state. And they will remain.

If Iraq was one of the 50 US states and suddenly divided and came up with Saddam, no one would argue with you. THEN you would have all the right to fight.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-21 02:58pm

Iraqi can`t exactly rebel against Saddam without being slaughtered in the hundrend of thousands by the republican guards,thats why the US is doing it.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-21 03:01pm

Montcalm
I wonder if they called US for help. At least they could do that. At least, some refugees could do that. NONE DID?

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-03-21 03:04pm

The inspectors were never going to get the chance to inspect every inch of Iraq. The inspectors were never going to be given permission to inspect the Republican Guard bases, exactly where these things would be at? What if someone came in to inspect US nukes and we said, "okay, you can inspect the Mall of the Americas and Disneyland, but not any military sites. Yeah, right.

Oh please, Iraq gave unprecedented access to many of its facilities and has been amazingly cooperative for a nation that knew it was going to be invaded regardless of what facts were brought to the table

And heaven forbid we should spy on someone who has clearly broken his promises and engaged in mass murder.

Heaven forbid we should expect a little shit when we lie about what the fuck we're doing in their country

As opposed to bobbl...

MAGICAL JESUS!!! What a fucking strawman you have in your pants.
Enough of this bullshit, you don't care about the facts brought to the table

Well, at least I play these cards eventually. You keep the justice and compassion on your sleeve and never actually use them. You could give a shit about the Iraqis as long as they die by the truckload to make Bush look bad.

Haha! Whatever. You're just the RW equivalent of Jesse Jackson that plays sympathy for people he doesn't care about.

Where's the justice and compassion you chastized us about when Clinton engaged in a unilateral war of regime change without UN backing for humanitarian reasons?

Another strawman and weird assumption on your part. I never praised Clinton for what he did

Milosivec had no WMDs and killed far fewer people, and had never once tangled with the US for any reason-- but you Lefties were all over that war-wagon.

Yeah, its so easy to ignore the protests during Clinton's little war, isnt it?

and there's oil to throw suspicion on our motives--

Understatement of the century. Almost everyone in the administration has been or currently is involved with the oil industry

The only things different are the political party of the President involved, and the race of the people under the tyrant's boot. So you're either a cynical political opportunist or a racist... or both. Take your pick.

Racist? What a wild imagination you have

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-21 03:06pm

I dunno, listing the atrocities saddam did (theres several links on this board about them) seems to have counted.

I mean, can you picture this situation?

"Oh yes, mr american sir, saddam is horrible, he tortured my children in front of me, he kills everyone who disagrees with him, he bombed a city and killed his citizens, we worship him or die.

"what, save us? no, we're fine! we love our leader!"

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-03-21 03:07pm

Apparently you pissed the thread talking about the Iraqi refugees that went to the anti-war protest, no one would talk to them or let them say a word, they want this, they want Saddam gone.

This reminds me of a something I heard. It was about a Iraqi General, a high ranking one at that. He fled the country with his son. While he was in the country he fled to he got a call saying that there was a package for him at a local bakery and that he should go pick it up. The package was a video tell him he should come back and showing two of his unmarried female relatives being raped by Iraqi solder and/or officials, not only were they raped, but that they were raped was made known so they wouldn't be able to ever get married because they were not virgins.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-03-21 03:09pm

Ham, so just where are all of those Clinton bashing protestors you speak of??? Can you find 1 mass march of celebs or peacenicks just 1

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-21 03:11pm

Hameru
Iraq was not only cooperative in destroying anything suspicious. They gave complete information on each of the objects found by the inspectors. Year, reason - all! But that was not enough...
Enforcer Talen

"Oh yes, mr american sir, saddam is horrible, he tortured my children in front of me, he kills everyone who disagrees with him, he bombed a city and killed his citizens, we worship him or die.'

A refugee could say that. Civilian protest against Saddam. Maybe a quiet one. But it should exist.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-03-21 03:11pm

theski wrote:Ham, so just where are all of those Clinton bashing protestors you speak of??? Can you find 1 mass march of celebs or peacenicks just 1

It was covered in a thread that Spanky (i think) started

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2003-03-21 03:11pm

Stas Bush wrote:Chechnya? Independence? They are a part of the state. And they will remain.

If Iraq was one of the 50 US states and suddenly divided and came up with Saddam, no one would argue with you. THEN you would have all the right to fight.

So its perfectly alright to slaughter your own people, since they disagree with you or the ruling party, and the rest of the world should turn a blind eye........riiiiight.

I lable you a Troll, and a an idiot.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-21 03:14pm

Stas Bush wrote:Hameru
Iraq was not only cooperative in destroying anything suspicious. They gave complete information on each of the objects found by the inspectors. Year, reason - all! But that was not enough...
Enforcer Talen
"Oh yes, mr american sir, saddam is horrible, he tortured my children in front of me, he kills everyone who disagrees with him, he bombed a city and killed his citizens, we worship him or die.'
A refugee could say that. Civilian protest against Saddam. Maybe a quiet one. But it should exist.

look through the board. we've posted the quotes enough

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-21 03:15pm

Sokar
Morality and politics have NOTHING to do together.
Stated ling before by... Machiavelli (?is this correct spelling?).
Legitimate ruler is the legal power.

I can call you an idiot just as you did, because you seem to speak lots about morale where only mere politics exist.