CSIS on Right wing/white supremacist terrorism threat.

[The Romulan Republic]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015 ... picks=true

CSIS highlights white supremacist threat ahead of radical Islam
Political ideas behind lone wolf attacks “run the gamut,” say internal CSIS documents, but they’re likelier found in the radical right-wing than in radical Islam.
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Ziyaad Mia, of the Canadian Muslim Lawyers Association, says anti-Muslim sentiment in Canada is a growing concern and "some of this xenophobia is being stoked by political leaders."
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Ziyaad Mia, of the Canadian Muslim Lawyers Association, says anti-Muslim sentiment in Canada is a growing concern and "some of this xenophobia is being stoked by political leaders."

By: Alex Boutilier Staff Reporter, Published on Sun Mar 15 2015
OTTAWA—“Lone wolf” attacks more often come from white supremacists and extreme right-wing ideologies than from Islamic radicalism, internal CSIS documents say.
Citing recent academic research, the unclassified documents note extreme right-wing and white supremacist ideology has been the “main ideological source” for 17 per cent of so-called lone wolf attacks worldwide.
Islamic extremism accounted for 15 per cent of such attacks, the document noted, while left-wing extremism and “black power” groups followed with 13 per cent. Anti-abortion activism (8 per cent) and nationalism/separatism (7 per cent) rounded out the list, while in 40 per cent of cases there was no clear ideological motivation.
“Lone actors tend to create their own ideologies that combine personal frustrations and grievances, with wider political, social, or religious issues,” note the documents prepared for Michael Peirce, assistant director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.
“This study confirms that lone actor terrorism runs the gamut of ideological persuasions.”
The documents, obtained by the Star under access to information law, were prepared for Peirce’s appearance before a Senate committee on national security in October. His testimony came five days after Michael Zehaf-Bibeau fatally shot Cpl. Nathan Cirillo at the National War Memorial.
In a video recorded minutes before the shooting, Zehaf-Bibeau claimed his actions were in retaliation for Canada’s combat missions in Afghanistan and, more recently, Iraq.
Zehaf-Bibeau’s attack came days after Martin Couture-Rouleau ran down Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu. Authorities said Couture-Rouleau was frustrated after he was refused a passport, allegedly to travel to Syria and fight for the Islamic State.

Those two attacks have focused the Canadian conversation about domestic terrorism on radical Islam to the exclusion of other potential threats. The Conservative government has repeatedly referred to the attacks to sell its new anti-terror legislation, which would give Canada’s spies police-like powers to “disrupt” threats.
Other Canadian lone wolf attacks, such as Justin Bourque’s shooting rampage in Moncton last June that left three RCMP officers dead, were not automatically branded as terrorism.
After three people were arrested last month in an alleged plot to open fire in the Halifax Shopping Centre, Justice Minister Peter MacKay called them “murderous misfits” — not terrorists — because their attacks were not “culturally motivated.” When reporters later asked MacKay to explain what he considers terrorism, he encouraged them to “look it up” in the Criminal Code.
But Prime Minister Stephen Harper has often referred to the threat of Islamic extremism in the House of Commons, and once mentioned the “jihadist monster” whose “tentacles” reached the Parliament buildings.
The CSIS documents explicitly warn that the notion the Western world is at war with Islam plays into terrorist recruitment strategies.
“International terrorist groups place a high priority on radicalizing Westerners who can be used to carry out terrorist attacks in their home countries,” the documents read. “The narrative that the West is at war with Islam continues to exert a very powerful influence in radicalizing individuals and spreads quickly through social media and online fora.”
Other CSIS documents, obtained by The Canadian Press, warned the Conservatives last September that there is an emerging anti-Islam movement in Canada, similar to movements in Europe.
Ziyaad Mia, who has been following the government’s proposed new spy powers for the Canadian Muslim Lawyers Association, said anti-Muslim sentiment in Canada is a growing concern, particularly in the context of the rhetoric from top government officials.
“Some of this xenophobia is being stoked by political leaders. And I think that is a problem,” Mia told the Star this week.
“Some of our political leaders need to tone that rhetoric down and actually calm people down … and tell people this is not the right way to go, instead of stoking the fears of xenophobia by talking about the war on terror and (that) we’re in this sort of apocalyptic conflict with the Islamic State.”
The Star requested an interview with Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney’s office, as well as CSIS, for this article. Public Safety “respectfully declined” the request.
In a written statement, a spokesperson for the department said the government is attempting to give police more tools to combat terrorists and the “fear they hope to generate.”
“The government always vigilantly monitors the full range of threats to Canada and Canadian interests,” Josée Sirois wrote.

I'm a bit surprised by this assessment, but I'm glad to see that the Right wing terrorism threat is being taken seriously. Admittedly, I'd think this is more an issue for the US than Canada.

[Grumman]

This bullshit again?

I'm a bit surprised by this assessment, but I'm glad to see that the Right wing terrorism threat is being taken seriously. Admittedly, I'd think this is more an issue for the US than Canada.

It's not. It's a problem invented by pruning statistics to prove a point. You're talking about studies which try to make out that white men are the real danger because they killed 39 people in 14 years, but refuse to even mention a lone wolf attack that by itself killed 17 people that happened in that same period.

[The Romulan Republic]

Where did you get that from? You didn't get it from this article as far as I can tell.

And I really don't get the impression that CSIS is saying white men are a danger. They're saying white supremacists/Right wing extremists are a danger. Which they are.

[Grumman]

Sorry, I was referring to the last time "lone wolves" were brought up, after the Chapel Hill shootings.

In particular, the study cited in this portion of an article Edi posted, that has since become a dead link:

A 2001-2015 “Homegrown Extremism” analysis by the New America Foundation parsed the “ethnicity, age, gender and citizenship” of people who killed or violently attacked others, whether they were motivated by jihadist philosophies or other “right wing, left wing or idiosyncratic beliefs.” Of 448 extremists counted, white men who were U.S. citizens outnumbered every other demographic by wide margins.

[madd0ct0r]

so you are attacking an article based on a study by attacking a weakness in a different study?

[Grumman]

so you are attacking an article based on a study by attacking a weakness in a different study?

So I am attacking the assumption that this is an issue in the United States based on an article that is not about the United States and does not give me any way to verify that it correctly interprets the CSIS documents, that CSIS correctly interprets the academic research, or that the academic research correctly interprets the facts.

[Broomstick]

And I really don't get the impression that CSIS is saying white men are a danger. They're saying white supremacists/Right wing extremists are a danger. Which they are.

I didn't get the message "white men are a danger", I got the message "terrorists come from all different ideologies" which, frankly, I've believed for years.

If the above is true it also makes sense if the majority of "lone wolf" whackos come from a demographic that makes up the majority of a country.

And yeah - this is talking about Canada, not the US, right? The two nations are not quite identical, you know?

[madd0ct0r]

so you are attacking an article based on a study by attacking a weakness in a different study?

So I am attacking the assumption that this is an issue in the United States based on an article that is not about the United States and does not give me any way to verify that it correctly interprets the CSIS documents, that CSIS correctly interprets the academic research, or that the academic research correctly interprets the facts.

fair enough. it's impossible to say since those docs don't appear to be in the public domain either way...

[Flagg]

Of course RW Extremists and White Supremacists pose a large threat. Especially in the US. I can think of 3 lone wolf attacks by them right off the top of my head.

The assassination of Doctor George Tiller in his Church by a radical Christian fundamentalist found with tons of radical anti-abortion literature in his vehicle. I'm sure he probably watched the O'Liely Fucktor where several segments a month were dedicated to, as the bloviating douchebag host called him, "Tiller the Baby Killer".

The Sikh temple massacre.

The guy that shot up the Jewish Community center in Seattle the first month we moved to the area (we were in fact driving home from Seattle and saw collumns of ambulances and police vehicles going South towards the city)

And a bonus, the asshole who shot up the Jewish pre-school about 10-15 years ago and Eric Rudolph who blew up abortion clinics (leaving other bombs at the scene designed to murder first responders), gay bars, and the fucking 1996 Olympics, then allowing the Security Officer who saved a shitload of lives have his life ruined rather than be a real man, with a real message and claiming responsibility, instead hiding in the woods eating out of dumpsters for a decade before he was caught and allowed to plea bargain and not face death, likely because ultra-conservative Attorney General John Ashcroft didn't have too big of an issue with the facilities and people targeted.

Then there are the organized groups, like the "Minutemen" who patrolled the Mexican border (aka sat in one easily viewable spot in a lawn chair with a beer in one hand and an AR-15 in the other).

The McVeigh group pissed off about Waco (because shooting federal agents serving a valid search warrant is OK, but raiding the place to save children only for the fanatical dicksnots holed up in molesterville to set fire to the place and that pussy Koresh to put a bullet in his head (some messiah ) is bad!) blowing up the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in OKC killing a bunch of office workers and preschoolers who had nothing to do with any of it.

And let's not forget 'The World Church of the Creator' a white power organization that had a member go "on his own" and randomly shoot and in some cases kill any black person he came across while driving around (I believe) Indianapolis.

Then there is good old incredibly racist welfare queen Cliven Bundy who not only pointed "semi" automatic weapons at government officials just doing their jobs because he refuses to pay the taxes everyone else who grazes their cattle on federal land pays, but gathered his own militia from all across the country ready to defend his right to break the law. Oh, and if they ever did see National Guard or Regular Military moving in on his "people", the grand plan was to put all of their wives and children in front of them and have multiple cameras set up to film it if the government moved in.

Are these enough examples?

[Arthur_Tuxedo]

Am I getting names mixed up, or did World Church of the Creator invade this board once upon a time? If so, that's pretty scary that one of their members later went on a rampage.

[Edi]

Yes, they did. That was in the very early days of the board. Arminius, Caleb88 and some other fuckwits provided some entertainment before being eventually banned. Most of their hits are in the HoS.

[Darth Yan]

If I recall correctly the leader was arrested and sentenced to 40 years for trying to hire someone to kill of a federal judge.

[Tribble]

CSIS and the current government already think that pretty much everyone is a potential threat, hence them advocating for things like Bill C-51:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/susan-wrig ... 9642.html?

[The Romulan Republic]

And I really don't get the impression that CSIS is saying white men are a danger. They're saying white supremacists/Right wing extremists are a danger. Which they are.

I didn't get the message "white men are a danger", I got the message "terrorists come from all different ideologies" which, frankly, I've believed for years.

If the above is true it also makes sense if the majority of "lone wolf" whackos come from a demographic that makes up the majority of a country.

And yeah - this is talking about Canada, not the US, right? The two nations are not quite identical, you know?

As far as I can tell they're looking at the number of attacks globally, not in any specific country. But I could be mistaken about that.