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ST. PETERSBURG, Russia—For more than a year now, the Kremlin has warned of a resurgence of fascism in Europe—meaning the pro-Western government in Ukraine.

But on Sunday, a lawmaker whose party cooperates with the ruling United Russia in parliament, hosted a foreign legion of politicians too far to the right for most of Europe.

For fringe politicians—and some ex-fringe politicians—the trip let them do something they say they can’t back home: sound off against what they call the monolithic message of Washington and Brussels.

“If you tried to have a conference like this in the U.S. or the U.K., it wouldn’t be allowed,” said Nick Griffin, the expelled former leader of the anti-immigrant British National Party. “Russia has shown it is more free than the West.”

President Vladimir Putin has been trying to exploit political rifts in Europe by forging alliances with what were regarded in their home countries as fringe political movements on the left and right. Some have grown in popularity in countries such as Hungary and France, giving the Kremlin a lever to pry against European economic sanctions for the war in Ukraine.

In Greece, the new defense minister in the leftist government has close ties to Russian hard-liners.

For the Kremlin, the tactic is a familiar one. In Soviet times, Moscow tinkered with the internal politics of the West by funding and even controlling left-wing groups. Today, as Mr. Putin tries to position himself as steward of global conservatism, the Kremlin’s alliances are mostly with the right.

Billed as the International Russian Conservative Forum, organizers struck a defiant tone against Western political correctness, calling the event something that “enemies of Russia can’t stop.”

As Moscow prepares for grandiose celebrations in May to mark the 70th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany, speakers vehemently denied any connection to Nazism.

“I don’t find it defamatory to be called a fascist,” said Roberto Fiore, leader of Italy’s far-right party Forza Nuova, who spoke at the conference Sunday. “But I do find it defamatory if you call me a Nazi.”

The forum’s website recalled an address of Mr. Putin at a conference for foreigners in the provincial resort of Valdai, where he warned the West faced a “profound demographic and moral crisis” because of the collapse of traditional values, religion and rise of same-sex marriage.

Speakers echoed Mr. Putin’s message, but added attacks on other alleged ills, including abortion, atheism, Freemasonry, and unbridled immigration that, if unchecked, will snuff out the Caucasian race.

Invitees included Udo Voigt, a senior figure in Germany’s extreme-right National Democratic Party, who drew rounds of applause with calls to oppose U.S. hegemony and to denounce homosexuality. Other invitees included members of the ultra-right Greek party Golden Dawn.


Mr. Fiore, of Italy’s Forza Nuova, said Moscow is now the sole guardian of Western values, in the way Rome once was. “It’s not me saying this—it’s God saying it,” he said.

Among participants, there was discussion over who could be called a fascist, since the Kremlin has denounced the Ukrainian government in Kiev as such, while others insisted the fascists were in Brussels and Washington.

Aleksei Zhilov, an organizer for pro-Russian fighters in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region, said the only fascists were in Ukraine.

“All that is in Donbas—that is antifascism, and everything in Ukraine is fascism,” he said. “There isn’t any other fascism anywhere.”

Cas Mudde, a political scientist who specializes in extremism at the University of Georgia, said the lineup was puzzling because Kremlin has plenty of right-wing allies in Europe who control large parliamentary factions and are politically important. None were at the conference, however.

“You don’t need to go to the gutter to find some pro-Putin right-wing parties, but they did for some reason,” said Mr. Mudde.

He suggested that some conservatives may not have shown up at the party because they “don’t want to be tainted,” and the Kremlin itself may not have been involved in much of the planning.

But the conference appeared to have Moscow’s tacit approval. One of its organizers, Aleksei Zhuravlyov, is leader of the pro-Kremlin Rodina political party which, before it struck an alliance with Mr. Putin, was banned for its racially tinted campaign ads.

Moreover, critics of the event noted that it suffered no interference from police. When exiled tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky tried to address supporters in the same hotel, via video-link from Europe, four months ago, police swept in with drug- and bomb-sniffing dogs. Then the hotel lights went out.

Another Kremlin critic, Stanislav Belkovsky, tried to hold a meeting with political activists in St. Petersburg on Saturday, but couldn't find a hotel or meeting room where anyone would allow him to speak. Ultimately he met with a small crowd on the street before police dispersed it as an unsanctioned meeting.

The conservative conference was cut short by a bomb scare late in the day, but only after most of the speakers had finished and participants hurriedly signed a final declaration.

Jared Taylor, a U.S. author and proponent of what he calls “racial realism,” said he found some of the event suspicious because organizers didn’t tell him who would be there ahead of time. Mr. Taylor said he was aghast at the attendance list, but came and spoke anyway because they paid for his plane ticket and hotel.

After a tour of St. Petersburg, he planned to continue to Moscow to promote his book, “White Identity.”

“When you’re on the fringe, there’s no soapbox too low,” he said.
In case you don't know who Udo Voigt is - he is a former bigwig of the Neonazi NPD party in Germany. His big highlights so far include calling Hitler a "great german politician", trying to nominate Rudolf Heß for the Nobel peace prize, demonstrating against black German athletes, calling the Hitler Salute a "salute for peace" and claiming that there was "no way that six million jews died, at most 340.000" and then claimed that the lower number would decrease the criminality.

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Indeed, I thought of mentioning it yesterday. From Sweden, Svenskarnas parti (=Party of the Swedes, formerly known as the National Socialist Front, though they've shredded the Nazi ideology) and Svenska motståndsrörelsen (=The Swedish Resistance Movement, an openly National Socialist movement which aims to create a society based on the Führerprinzip and "people's democracy") were represented.

And I thought the fascists were supposed to be in Kiev, huh?
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The highlight was calling Voigt an "anti-fascist". 1984 got nothing on this.
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Russian fascists invite European fascists for a big stinking fascist party.

The only good thing being that some smart left-winger called the police, saying there is a bomb under the building. There was none, but the fascist fun time was cut short.
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Always the attacks on Freemasonry. I guess the Fascists at least remember who we are and what we once stood for.
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How crippled is left leaning politics in Russia? I understand the why, due to the fall of the Soviet Union, but is it that coalesced in Russian thought? Or is there another reason for the rise of Far right politics in Russia?

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Read the other article: they attempted to invite the scottish national party? Were they tricked by the name? Have they read this: http://www.snp.org/blog/post/2014/may/w ... mmigration?
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Funny thing how in another thread the insinuation is made that all peace and disarmament advocacy organizations must be russian fronts.
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Metahive wrote:Funny thing how in another thread the insinuation is made that all peace and disarmament advocacy organizations must be russian fronts.
Soviet fronts, there's a difference. ;) but yes presumably if your ngo gets money from a foreign government with a strong ideological bent there are strings attached.
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FaxModem1 wrote:How crippled is left leaning politics in Russia?
Totally.
FaxModem1 wrote:I understand the why, due to the fall of the Soviet Union, but is it that coalesced in Russian thought? Or is there another reason for the rise of Far right politics in Russia?
Russia is itself a very right-wing right regime (independent unions are almost nonexistent, progressive taxation does not exist, authoritarianism is okayed by the majority), so it is natural that far right politics are popular. Basically, there are two popular currents: the openly radical nationalists, who are a minority, and the non-radical, but more dangerous majority with the abstract doctrine of Empire, which is chauvinistic and imperialistic at the core.
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Great propaganda - a freak invites other freaks to talk about their freak shit in a room in St Petersburg for one day, freaks are all immediately linked to Vladimir Putin and his policies personally, throughout the entire article. On the other hand, its in the Russian government's power to prevent these freaks showing up, so they're really asking for it and I have little sympathy.

One can only imagine the hysterical freakout the WSJ would engage in if Vladimir Putin decorateda known neo-Nazi paramilitary commander who vowed "to prepare [Russia] for further expansion and to struggle for the liberation of the entire White Race" with a medal called the Order for Courage.

Oh wait, replace "Vladimir Putin" with "Petro Poroshenko", and replace "Russia" with "Ukraine", and that's actually happened (the leader of the Azov Battalion, Biletsky).
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It is more complicated than that, Vympel. The fact that fascist parties, or, well "ultra right wing parties" have been funded by Putin's government is well known (out of the ones funded through putinist loans National Front and Jobbik flat-out ignored the fascist meet up since the likes of "Attack" and the others are too batshit crazy even for their taste, while Golden Dawn had someone).
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There is also a parade of German right-wingers and/or frauds being shown on and paid by Russian TV as analysts on Germany these days.

And it is not as if their message on how people are supposed to live is that different from Putin these days either.
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It is a sad day when the country that used to have Internationale as its anthem courts the Interfascionale, but such are the days. Europe and the US are complicit in this too. They were was so afraid of a communist 'restoration' that they ignored while Yeltsin and Putin crushed any real left-wing opposition to their rule, and only started crying crocodile tears when the turn of the anti-government liberals came around. A few crushed union leader skulls did not mean much, mafiosi controlling all of Russia's industries was not a good ground for economic sanctions and making Russia's filthy oligarch scum international pariahs. But now they will have to live with the monsters next door, just like the US had to live with Pinochet, Baby Doc and other fascist scum next door.
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Meh, for minimal outlay, Russia gets to scatter ball bearings across the floors of Europe. why not?
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Because being associated with fascists is bad, and because fascists are not a very loyal bunch. Orban and Jobbik in Hungary are Putin's best buddies, but they are also giving military assistance to Ukraine. I would say that it underscores the utter worthlessness of Putin's fascist and authoritarian 'allies'. Minimal cost - and zero gain.
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It is more complicated than that, Vympel. The fact that fascist parties, or, well "ultra right wing parties" have been funded by Putin's government is well known (out of the ones funded through putinist loans National Front and Jobbik flat-out ignored the fascist meet up since the likes of "Attack" and the others are too batshit crazy even for their taste, while Golden Dawn had someone).
National Front has gotten a loan from a Russian bank, but whether Russia has actually funded any other political parties (in any way) is unknown to me. As to why the less batshit parties showed up, I would say their showing up is apparently inversely proportional to their influence in their home countries.
Orban and Jobbik in Hungary are Putin's best buddies, but they are also giving military assistance to Ukraine. I would say that it underscores the utter worthlessness of Putin's fascist and authoritarian 'allies'. Minimal cost - and zero gain.
The cost may be minimal, but to be as cynical as Putin's government, I'm not convinced the gain is zero. The purpose of supporting Euroskeptic parties across Europe is right there on the tin - they're Euroskeptics. Hungary can give paltry military assistance to Ukraine all it wants, Ukraine has no way to achieve military victory, and they appear (so far) to have awakened to that fact. The loss is zero.
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Neither can they sabotage the EU sanctions, so all in all there is no gain either, just as no loss. In any case, Russia has shot itself in the foot with Orwellian 'antifascism', so there is also some losses on the home front.
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Vympel wrote:Great propaganda - a freak invites other freaks to talk about their freak shit in a room in St Petersburg for one day, freaks are all immediately linked to Vladimir Putin and his policies personally, throughout the entire article. On the other hand, its in the Russian government's power to prevent these freaks showing up, so they're really asking for it and I have little sympathy.

One can only imagine the hysterical freakout the WSJ would engage in if Vladimir Putin decorateda known neo-Nazi paramilitary commander who vowed "to prepare [Russia] for further expansion and to struggle for the liberation of the entire White Race" with a medal called the Order for Courage.

Oh wait, replace "Vladimir Putin" with "Petro Poroshenko", and replace "Russia" with "Ukraine", and that's actually happened (the leader of the Azov Battalion, Biletsky).
Well according to the second article, the party organizing this was set up by the deputy prime minister of russia, so it's not that hard to link it to Putin.

Did the party change it's ways after the guy set it up or was it always like this? Did the guy change his ways after he set the party up or is he the same now as he was back then? Does Putin have any control over the appointment of the deputy prime minister? Are they just really incompetent and invited fascist parties by accident (hence why they invited SNP)?
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Stas Bush wrote:It is more complicated than that, Vympel. The fact that fascist parties, or, well "ultra right wing parties" have been funded by Putin's government is well known (out of the ones funded through putinist loans National Front and Jobbik flat-out ignored the fascist meet up since the likes of "Attack" and the others are too batshit crazy even for their taste, while Golden Dawn had someone).
Not only that, but it was attended by for example Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin who said that it was “[the] first forum of the national-oriented political forces of Europe and Russia in world history.” Putin's Russia is enjoying a tremendous support by right-wingers here in Europe, so I'm not at all surprised that some would want to capitalize on that.
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jwl wrote:Did the party change it's ways after the guy set it up or was it always like this? Did the guy change his ways after he set the party up or is he the same now as he was back then? Does Putin have any control over the appointment of the deputy prime minister? Are they just really incompetent and invited fascist parties by accident (hence why they invited SNP)?
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Answers as asked: it was always a den of open and mildly shy fascists. The guy did not change his ways and he is a former Russian neo-nazi. Putin has control over appointing him. They are not accidentally inviting fascists, as they are themselves a neo-fascist movement.
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Stas Bush wrote:Neither can they sabotage the EU sanctions, so all in all there is no gain either, just as no loss. In any case, Russia has shot itself in the foot with Orwellian 'antifascism', so there is also some losses on the home front.
The EU sanctions issue will be sabotaged by self interest on the part of the EU governments in power more than anything - we've seen rumblings of discontent from several EU countries about the continuance of sanctions, but its early days yet and I think they'll continue to fall into line for at least the rest of 2015.
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