Should I try out Star Trek Online?

[Lord Revan]

Can anyone recommend some good Foundry missions?

"Bait and switch" is a decent one if a bit long.

the loot ones are good for their purpose (aka getting you junk to sell).

[The Romulan Republic]

Oh for fuck's sake.

The Klingons threatened a Federation base and lost several capital ships over fucking Tribbles?

[Lord Revan]

Oh for fuck's sake.

The Klingons threatened a Federation base and lost several capital ships over fucking Tribbles?

Yeah it seems a bit excessive even by klingon standards.

[The Romulan Republic]

I mean, this is a galaxy full of Borg and the Iconians and God knows what else. Don't they have better things to do with their fleet?

[Lord Revan]

I mean, this is a galaxy full of Borg and the Iconians and God knows what else. Don't they have better things to do with their fleet?

I got a feeling that wasn't exactly a front line unit still you got a point, that might explain why the KDF hasn't been able to break Starfleet dispite the war having been going on for 20 years.

[Elheru Aran]

I get tired of lockboxes. They're such a blatant cash-grab because the odds of getting *anything* useful are so low. About all you get 80% of the time is Lobi crystals, which granted you can exchange... at Drozana Station, if you like that kind of shit... for the odd starship or equipment. If you get *really* lucky, you can score a free starship... if you have space in your account.

[RogueIce]

I mean, this is a galaxy full of Borg and the Iconians and God knows what else. Don't they have better things to do with their fleet?

To be fair, this mission was made well before a lot of what we have now. No Borg red alerts, we hadn't found out about the Iconians yet, etc.

Which is why the whole Cardassian series of missions is almost certainly going to be overhauled as were the Klingon Front and especially the Romulan Mystery ones.

[Simon_Jester]

Oh for fuck's sake.

The Klingons threatened a Federation base and lost several capital ships over fucking Tribbles?

At the time in the storyline when this happens, the Klingons and the Federation are still at war.

Also, Klingons are violently allergic to Tribbles from what I recall.

From the point of view of the Klingons, Dr. Jones' efforts to breed Tribbles and give them a new homeworld are a Federation attempt to revive a menacing, fast-breeding bioweapon. A weapon aimed directly at the health and planetary ecosystems of the Klingon race. A weapon which they went to great lengths to exterminate a century ago, and which the Federation brought back into existence by time travel of all things.

You only think it's a joke because you think tribbles are cute.

[Lord Revan]

Oh for fuck's sake.

The Klingons threatened a Federation base and lost several capital ships over fucking Tribbles?

At the time in the storyline when this happens, the Klingons and the Federation are still at war.

Also, Klingons are violently allergic to Tribbles from what I recall.

From the point of view of the Klingons, Dr. Jones' efforts to breed Tribbles and give them a new homeworld are a Federation attempt to revive a menacing, fast-breeding bioweapon. A weapon aimed directly at the health and planetary ecosystems of the Klingon race. A weapon which they went to great lengths to exterminate a century ago, and which the Federation brought back into existence by time travel of all things.

You only think it's a joke because you think tribbles are cute.

and IIRC it's only Klingons that are allergic to tribbles with no other (known) race that has that allergy, so it's not just aimed directly at the klingons it's a weapon tailor made to fight klingons and only klingons.

[The Romulan Republic]

Oh for fuck's sake.

The Klingons threatened a Federation base and lost several capital ships over fucking Tribbles?

At the time in the storyline when this happens, the Klingons and the Federation are still at war.

Also, Klingons are violently allergic to Tribbles from what I recall.

From the point of view of the Klingons, Dr. Jones' efforts to breed Tribbles and give them a new homeworld are a Federation attempt to revive a menacing, fast-breeding bioweapon. A weapon aimed directly at the health and planetary ecosystems of the Klingon race. A weapon which they went to great lengths to exterminate a century ago, and which the Federation brought back into existence by time travel of all things.

You only think it's a joke because you think tribbles are cute.

No, I think its stupid because while Klingons may find Tibbles annoying, they're hardly lethal (and their's no indication that I recall that they thought the Federation was creating them as a bioweapon), so their are far, far bigger priorities to devote warships too.

[The Romulan Republic]

I've reached Rear Admiral Upper Half.

I'm not too fond of the True Way/Dominion storyline- it seems like a rather bland rehashing of The Dominion War to some extent.

But my Federation Admiral just got to meet a Prophet and it looks like a fleet engagement is coming up. Excellent.

[Steve]

That's the last campaign that's still the same way it was at launch. So it shows all of STO's early content flaws and is pretty glaring compared to the rest of the current stories.

That said, the storyline about the Mirrorverse peeps is more interesting to me.

[Lord Revan]

for some reason I'm unable to login atm, I get to the "retreaving character list" part then it times out. I dunno if the problem is at my end or theirs.

[FaxModem1]

The Mirror Universe plotline annoys me, as it's really underused, and seems out of place. The only reason it's there is so that you can engage Federation ships without feeling guilty about it, but it's an utter waste of storyline potential.

[The Romulan Republic]

for some reason I'm unable to login atm, I get to the "retreaving character list" part then it times out. I dunno if the problem is at my end or theirs.

According to the game's Facebook page, they've been having some server problems. Don't know if that applies to where you are though. They mentioned Boston specifically.

[Lord Revan]

for some reason I'm unable to login atm, I get to the "retreaving character list" part then it times out. I dunno if the problem is at my end or theirs.

According to the game's Facebook page, they've been having some server problems. Don't know if that applies to where you are though. They mentioned Boston specifically.

yeah it was a problem at their end, it cleared enought that I could do the new mission with characters my romulan tac officer and my FED engineer. though it was still a bit laggy and there's some bugs on the new mission.

[The Romulan Republic]

The latest mission requires me to destroy Jem'Hadar incubators. I know they're artificially created soldiers, but that feels wrong. Its hard to see it as anything other than murdering infants because of their race. Which I could see the Klingons or Romulan Empire doing, maybe, but the Federation? Without so much as questioning the ethics of it?

I suppose you could make some sort of argument that its not the same because they haven't been "born" yet (as you see with abortion), but I'd think the Federation would at least think twice about it.

It puts me in a rather rough spot because I can't complete the mission without doing it, which means I can't move on to the next mission, but the thought of doing it makes me feel ill. On the other hand I killed all the people who were their to take care of them (which was legitimate as those were enemy soldiers shooting at my men) and their's no option to adopt them, so it might be a case of kill them or leave them to die. I just would like to see the implications considered. I get that this is a game, not an ethics essay, but would it be too much to ask for ten lines of dialog discussing the issue, just to show that their is an ethical question? Or better yet, giving the player a choice as to how to proceed? 'Cause this is Section 31 style shit and I think I've made my feelings clear about them.

[FaxModem1]

Well, as we saw in The Abandoned, a Jem'Hadar hatched on its own without a founder and/or ketracel white will kill anyone in its path, and even with those two items, it still wants to kill everyone in its path and serve the founders, as they've been genetically wired to be that way.

[The Romulan Republic]

Well, that makes it a little more reasonable for a Federation officer to decide to gun down the hatchlings.

Edit: Or in this case, the devices they're still inside of.

[Lord Revan]

and tbh of the main races only the romulans would kill enemies as infants (if even them), for Klingons it would be viewed as cowardly and dishonorble as a "true klingon warrior" would only kill a "worthy" opponent, so they would be even less inclined for it then the federation though for different reasons.

[The Romulan Republic]

Perhaps only the Romulan Empire would do it. I have a hard time seeing my beloved Republic doing that.

[Lord Revan]

Perhaps only the Romulan Empire would do it. I have a hard time seeing my beloved Republic doing that.

true it's probable that only the Tal Shiar would be that callous, the Romulan Republic would probably avoid things like so that won't be compared to the Romulan Star Empire regardless of morality and tbh I can't see D'tan allowing such actions either since he's quite honest and moral person.

[RogueIce]

It puts me in a rather rough spot because I can't complete the mission without doing it, which means I can't move on to the next mission, but the thought of doing it makes me feel ill. On the other hand I killed all the people who were their to take care of them (which was legitimate as those were enemy soldiers shooting at my men) and their's no option to adopt them, so it might be a case of kill them or leave them to die. I just would like to see the implications considered. I get that this is a game, not an ethics essay, but would it be too much to ask for ten lines of dialog discussing the issue, just to show that their is an ethical question? Or better yet, giving the player a choice as to how to proceed? 'Cause this is Section 31 style shit and I think I've made my feelings clear about them.

Again: launch missions, not really all that great, they'll be redone eventually, etc.

Though you can skip it if your level is high enough. Probably have to go doff or wander around looking for Patrol missions if you're not already high enough.

No, I think its stupid because while Klingons may find Tibbles annoying, they're hardly lethal (and their's no indication that I recall that they thought the Federation was creating them as a bioweapon), so their are far, far bigger priorities to devote warships too.

I think this was more of a comedy mission than anything meant to be taken seriously. Also it's fairly clear (IIRC, been awhile) that Ja'rod is on a punishment detail, as are presumably the other ships with him. But it's less obvious now because he no longer has the failure of "Saturday's Child" that the Federation Captain caused. Plus he has much better outcomes in the new Romulan missions, both the Fed revamped ones and the Republic's early storyline. So I have a feeling when the Cardassian Struggle revamp comes along, this one will be excised.

He's also the leader of House Duras so that certainly isn't helping his career any.

[Simon_Jester]

No, I think its stupid because while Klingons may find Tibbles annoying, they're hardly lethal (and their's no indication that I recall that they thought the Federation was creating them as a bioweapon), so their are far, far bigger priorities to devote warships too.

Given that so far as we know they'll eat any form of vegetable matter that can't run away, tribbles can also literally devour entire ecosystems in sufficient numbers. And if their numbers are insufficient today, wait a week and there'll be exponentially more of them.

One Federation ship beaming tribbles to random locations on Qonos (I can never remember where the apostrophes go) could singlehandedly devastate the agricultural productivity of the Klingon homeworld, while spreading faster than any feasible means of containment could stop them. Next thing they know, their home planet would be populated by trillions of allergenic bunny rabbits.

Sure, the Federation has no intention of doing any such thing, but they could do so at any time, and it's a very asymmetric form of warfare because tribbles are like the cheapest thing ever.

So hell yes it is worth devoting a small naval squadron, out of the presumably hundreds or thousands of ships under Klingon control, to put an end to the tribble threat.

The latest mission requires me to destroy Jem'Hadar incubators. I know they're artificially created soldiers, but that feels wrong. Its hard to see it as anything other than murdering infants because of their race. Which I could see the Klingons or Romulan Empire doing, maybe, but the Federation? Without so much as questioning the ethics of it?

I suppose you could make some sort of argument that its not the same because they haven't been "born" yet (as you see with abortion), but I'd think the Federation would at least think twice about it.

As noted, baby Jem'Hadar grow up into very nasty beings even if not raised by fellow Jem'Hadar.

Also note that the Federation has its own very serious issues with genetic engineering, which may distort their attitudes toward blowing up the cloning tanks someone else is using to produce supersoldiers.

[Lord Revan]

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No, I think its stupid because while Klingons may find Tibbles annoying, they're hardly lethal (and their's no indication that I recall that they thought the Federation was creating them as a bioweapon), so their are far, far bigger priorities to devote warships too.

I think this was more of a comedy mission than anything meant to be taken seriously. Also it's fairly clear (IIRC, been awhile) that Ja'rod is on a punishment detail, as are presumably the other ships with him. But it's less obvious now because he no longer has the failure of "Saturday's Child" that the Federation Captain caused. Plus he has much better outcomes in the new Romulan missions, both the Fed revamped ones and the Republic's early storyline. So I have a feeling when the Cardassian Struggle revamp comes along, this one will be excised.

He's also the leader of House Duras so that certainly isn't helping his career any.

He also has close ties to the House of Torg who have taken the role of the House of Duras in the Klingon Empire.