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[cmdrjones]

In this scenario all of the separatist forces are replaced by the following Aliens who get a period of 5 years to prepare for their massive invasion of the Republic. The Separatists retain Count Dooku and General Grievous as thier combat leadership

#1 the Alien mind control slug from The Faculty#2 " " " " " " " " " meteor from Slither
#3 The walkers from War of the worlds (Tom Cruise remake)
#4 The Swarm from Battle Los Angeles
#5 The Regents from Battleship
#6 (sigh... had to do it) the 'Signs' aliens
#7 The Psychlos from Battlefield Earth (including their homeworld)
#8 The Galactic criminals known as Crites (Critters)
#9 Klaatu & Gort from TDTESS (Keanu Reeves remake)
#10 The Independance Day Aliens
#11 The bugs from Starship Troopers along with planet P and Klendathu
#12 The Kryptonian rebels under General Zod
#13 The movie version Decepticons (all 4 movies)
#14 The Edge of Tomorrow Mimics
#15 the borg Queen and her cube from ST 1st contact
Two scenarios:
A. They are under the control of Sidious, how do you think they do?
B. (Bonus) YOU are their commander, how would you take the republic down?

[Elheru Aran]

All of them at once? Or one by one?

[cmdrjones]

All of them at once? Or one by one?

All at once. They form the new separatist alliance, effectively, and are allowed to tech share. These are the most miserable failures in "alien Invasion" sci fi, and I decided to give them a second shot.


EDIT #16 & #17 & #18 (Sorry can't believe I forgot these three loveable losers: THe Chitauri from The Avengers, the Dark Elves from Thor, TDW and Ronan the Accuser and his Sakarrans from Guardians of the Galaxy

[SilverDragonRed]

#5 The Regents from Battleship

I take issue with these guys being on list. They were not invading. They were trying to establish first contact 'cause they're explorers. But, when the Muricans and Japanese started a war against them; they wanted to leave by calling for rescue.

So, this group doesn't deserve to be lumped with the others.

[cmdrjones]

#5 The Regents from Battleship

I take issue with these guys being on list. They were not invading. They were trying to establish first contact 'cause they're explorers. But, when the Muricans and Japanese started a war against them; they wanted to leave by calling for rescue.

So, this group doesn't deserve to be lumped with the others.

And what galaxy spanning war doesn't need a few inadvertent victims?


you say explorers, republic intelligence labels them as dirty dirty scouts gathering vital intelligence....

[Borgholio]

I take issue with these guys being on list. They were not invading. They were trying to establish first contact 'cause they're explorers. But, when the Muricans and Japanese started a war against them; they wanted to leave by calling for rescue.

I can't tell if this is snark or for real?

[Batman]

Which iteration of Zod and his minions are we talking about? 'Cause being Kryptonians given the right colour sun those guys could be some serious trouble all by their lonesome.

[Elheru Aran]

Plus the whole planet of Psychlos from Battlefield Earth, IIRC, was a fairly sizeable military force in its own right.

The Bugs are *not* impressive at all. A competent modern-day military would have been able to hold them off. Unless we're talking book version, which were tougher nuts.

Independence Day aliens have some serious ships, but their tech level is not all that impressive compared to Star Wars. Some good acceleration on the fighters, though (what was it, from Area 51 to the mothership-- halfway to the moon or something-- in a matter of minutes?), which SW can probably match with ease. I doubt their shields are that good, and the ships only really exhibited one or two weapons other than the big city-buster cannon.

Signs aliens? Please.

Mimics could be very difficult to counter. Jedi can do it, though. They might also have issues against armour, IIRC the Edge of Tomorrow soldiers never really tried much in the way of tanks but then they may just not have shown them much. But clonetroopers against Mimics could get messy.

Decepticons could also mess up the Republic due to their ability to hide, although SW sensors are almost certainly far better than Earth's. It's a pretty good guarantee that they could be detected. Whether they could be caught before they can cause havoc is another story. Imagine Megatron in disguise as a LAAT... inside an Acclamator or Venator. They can be taken down by massive quantities of Earth weapons though, I imagine Star Wars weapons could put a better hole in them.

Borg and the cube? Ha. If the cube can withstand 200GT turbolasers, I tip my hat to them. Blasters are also significantly stronger than phasers, and if they try to assimilate clonetroopers, they have to get through armour first rather than Starfleet pajamas.

Don't know enough about the rest. Mind-control aliens like the ones from Slither could be countered by Jedi, probably.

[Batman]

Movie Starship Troopers bugs are pushovers for a modern world military, leave alone Star Wars. The only reason they were a threat at all was the humans were complete morons (or possibly not trying to win so much as using the war as a means of population control). 'Hey, a handful of fighters can napalm a gazillion of Bugs out of existence in no time with no chance of the Bugs fighting back!...That's boring. Let's go back to chucking lots of grunts with totally inadequate weapons at them.'

[Adam Reynolds]

Mimics could be very difficult to counter. Jedi can do it, though. They might also have issues against armour, IIRC the Edge of Tomorrow soldiers never really tried much in the way of tanks but then they may just not have shown them much. But clonetroopers against Mimics could get messy.

Time travel vs precog is an interesting conflict. But I would presume that the constant time travel would create a disturbance in the Force that would allow the Jedi to detect the Omega and deal with it without too much trouble. Though given that the shroud of the Dark Side is still in effect, perhaps they would be unable to detect it.

Though I don't see Sidious being dumb enough to work with someone who could possibly be a threat to him, something the Omegas would be.

More generally Zod's rebels would be the biggest threat. Even SW tech might not have a major effect.

[Darth Tanner]

None of these factions have the numbers to replace the Separatists... they might struggle to threaten a single Republic world... especially considering how weak most are in space.

#1 the Alien mind control slug from The Faculty#2 " " " " " " " " " meteor from Slither

Not heard of these so no comment

#3 The walkers from War of the worlds (Tom Cruise remake)

On the ground they will likely dominate as their shield will be impervious to most ground fielded weapons, I'd guess it would take concentrated fire from clone artillery beams or air support to penetrate their shields whilst regular ground forces would be annihilated. As they don't seem to have any space resources their pretty useless there though.

#4 The Swarm from Battle Los Angeles

If its them before the plot required the American soldiers to start dropping them with limited effort the clones are in trouble as they have major endurance and fire-power advantages with very good high explosive hand weapons. After the plot weakened them their little better than battle droids. Again limited air support and no space forces would be major hindrances.

#5 The Regents from Battleship

Worthless. Entirely worthless... area shields of unknown strength might offer some value but may also be taken down by a few cannon blasts!

#6 (sigh... had to do it) the 'Signs' aliens

Even worse than the Regents.

#7 The Psychlos from Battlefield Earth (including their homeworld)

Again worthless, their outmatched by people flying rusting harriers!

#8 The Galactic criminals known as Crites (Critters)

Not seen the film but are they just biting animals? If so worthless?

#9 Klaatu & Gort from TDTESS (Keanu Reeves remake)

Maybe the only faction with a technology advantage over Star Wars? Not sure what Star Wars could do against a grey goo weapon other than orbital bombardment.

#10 The Independance Day Aliens

Their larger ships wouldn't appear to be able to go toe to toe with Republic fleets and would likely be annihilated by even a single Venator... their fighters seem at least comparable but we don't have much data on their actual endurance/fire-power. Their ground troops were never seen deployed so no idea how good they would be but they likely have the numbers for engaging the Republic on the ground over a larger campaign than most of the others.

#11 The bugs from Starship Troopers along with planet P and Klendathu

Likely a meat grinder action for the clones until they simply exterminate them with orbital and air support.

#12 The Kryptonian rebels under General Zod

Unclear how truly powerful they are but orbital fire will likely wipe them out... alternatively if they truly are super duper give up on the planet they are on then wait until they move to another and intercept them where they will lose access to the solar radiation power boost.

#13 The movie version Decepticons (all 4 movies)

Wiped out... likely blaster fire is really efficient considering high energy impactors are perfect transformer killers. Aslong as they don't get their planet killer super weapons though...

#14 The Edge of Tomorrow Mimics

Another meat grinder, seeing modernish earth could go toe to toe in attrition warfare with them the Republic is just going to have to stomp on them from orbit or slog through them with enough clones.

#15 the borg Queen and her cube from ST 1st contact

Assuming its a single big alliance and Klaatu gives them his technology this could be a problem on the ground as the grey goo scenario becomes a black and green goo scenario of assimilation. Still don't think space combat would be a challenge for even a small Republic force even with technology upgrade from allies.

[Adam Reynolds]

This might have been more interesting and fair if it was the 3 million clones alone vs this collection.

#3 The walkers from War of the worlds (Tom Cruise remake)

On the ground they will likely dominate as their shield will be impervious to most ground fielded weapons, I'd guess it would take concentrated fire from clone artillery beams or air support to penetrate their shields whilst regular ground forces would be annihilated. As they don't seem to have any space resources their pretty useless there though.

How do we know that their shields will be impervious to SW level weapons? AT-TE walkers were able to penetrate the unshielded hulls of Seperatist frigates with their main guns.

#9 Klaatu & Gort from TDTESS (Keanu Reeves remake)

Maybe the only faction with a technology advantage over Star Wars? Not sure what Star Wars could do against a grey goo weapon other than orbital bombardment.

If they don't have proper FTL, it won't help them much. And I highly doubt nanotech would be able to penetrate SW shielding. In any case proper use of nuclear weapons or even better EMP bursts should make short work of nanobots.

We also see in Clone Wars that nanotech exists in SW. Apparently they are called nanodroids and they were used in a bombing.

#4 The Swarm from Battle Los Angeles

If its them before the plot required the American soldiers to start dropping them with limited effort the clones are in trouble as they have major endurance and fire-power advantages with very good high explosive hand weapons. After the plot weakened them their little better than battle droids. Again limited air support and no space forces would be major hindrances.

I haven't seen that movie, but given that the were killed by 21st century firearms at all, clone troopers would make short work of them. Clone rifles blow droidikas in half, I doubt anything can die to firearms would survive this.

#10 The Independance Day Aliens

Their larger ships wouldn't appear to be able to go toe to toe with Republic fleets and would likely be annihilated by even a single Venator... their fighters seem at least comparable but we don't have much data on their actual endurance/fire-power. Their ground troops were never seen deployed so no idea how good they would be but they likely have the numbers for engaging the Republic on the ground over a larger campaign than most of the others.

I doubt their ships would survive long enough to ever deploy troops. And given that their strategy seems reliant on air and naval superiority(otherwise they would have deployed ground forces sooner), I doubt they really be much of a threat to clones in ground combat.

#11 The bugs from Starship Troopers along with planet P and Klendathu

Likely a meat grinder action for the clones until they simply exterminate them with orbital and air support.

If they have any idea what they are up against, I doubt they would even bother landing and just completely bomb the site from orbit.

#14 The Edge of Tomorrow Mimics

Another meat grinder, seeing modernish earth could go toe to toe in attrition warfare with them the Republic is just going to have to stomp on them from orbit or slog through them with enough clones.

The bigger problem with Mimics is their ability to control time. The only reason humanity had a chance was because of time travel and the groundhog day effect that Tom Cruise's character had. Hopefully for the Republic, Jedi can counter this by finding the Omega and leading a team to kill it without using time travel. Interestingly this is an adversary in which the heroic narrative of Jedi could actually work in both directions.

The other problem with mimics is that they presumably are backed up by something. They were preparing Earth for their masters. Who knows what that threat is like.

[Borgholio]

#3 The walkers from War of the worlds (Tom Cruise remake)

We never really do have any information on exactly how powerful their shields are. There's nothing to quantify what it takes to punch through them in either the remake or the 1953 original. We know that an atom bomb doesn't work against the tripods in the '53 version, but that was a non-precision drop of a fission weapon. A direct hit from a modern nuke might do it, and I'm certain that even more powerful SW weapons could cut right through. I never saw the remake though...didn't they say that Japanese somehow took out a few of them? I don't recall hearing anything about nuclear weapons though.

#5 The Regents from Battleship

The only thing that can even hope to hold a candle to SW is the area shield. We don't know how permeable it is (think the Gungan vs Droid battle in Episode 1) or how much firepower it can actually absorb.

#9 Klaatu & Gort from TDTESS (Keanu Reeves remake)

They grey goo could be a problem but IIRC, they used a massive EMP to disable the nanites. I would expect SW tech to be capable of that, or a sustained bombardment with ion cannons.

#10 The Independance Day Aliens

Similar to War of the Worlds, we don't know exactly how powerful their shields are. We know they can shrug off normal missiles. We don't know exactly how much damage the nuke did, but the ship obviously survived. If we use the power of their weapons as a rough scale to determine the power of their shields, then they should be fairly easy to take out with SW tech, since their weapons really aren't all THAT powerful, all things considered.

#11 The bugs from Starship Troopers along with planet P and Klendathu

BDZ. End of story.

#12 The Kryptonian rebels under General Zod

We don't know what it takes to kill a powered-up Kryptonian. They are very powerful, even in the Man of Steel version, but clearly they can be worn down by fistfighting each other. The amount of damage that does can take out skyscrapers and dent heavy steel bank vault doors. Impressive, but not comparable to the amount of damage heavier ST land-based weapons can dish out. We know that Superman has been nuked before and survived (although he admitted the experience was...less than pleasant). So echoing a previous post, the best idea would be to wait until they board a ship and try to escape, then hit them with a turbolaser. Can a Kryptonian withstand a heavy turbolaser hit? I'm not so sure.

#13 The movie version Decepticons (all 4 movies)

Really big battle droids. Clones drop them easily.

#15 the borg Queen and her cube from ST 1st contact

Destroyed by the first Stardestroyer squadron they come across.

[SilverDragonRed]

I take issue with these guys being on list. They were not invading. They were trying to establish first contact 'cause they're explorers. But, when the Muricans and Japanese started a war against them; they wanted to leave by calling for rescue.

I can't tell if this is snark or for real?

The only snark in there is the 'Muricans and Japanese' thing. Who started the war was Jackass McGee the Wonder Douche (our supposed protagonist). Everything else is true.

[Borgholio]

Well, I don't think the aliens were mere explorers based on the info obtained from the "mind meld". But yeah the Navy did come off way too strong initially.

[SilverDragonRed]

Having watched the movie for the second time; yes, its obvious those guys were part of that species' military. That still doesn't negate that the Regent are the good guys of the film. Yes, the incoherent and rambling 'mind-meld' showed violent things; but it was utterly devoid of context. The only response we get to it is from Jackass McGee who looks like he doesn't even understand the visions himself. He, also, stated his response after the aliens rescued their soldier without killing a single person on the ship.

The questions that need to be asked about 'Battleship' is:
Who shows aggressive actions first? Who fires at whom, first?
Who go out of their way to avoid causing non-hostile deaths?
Who doesn't kill anyone (except through accidents) until they are attacked?

If the original script had not been changed 'cause they wanted to shit yet another brainless summer blockbuster, then this would have been an intelligent film about the duality of Man in the conflict between our desire to explore and our inherent xenophobia.

[Borgholio]

Who shows aggressive actions first? Who fires at whom, first?

Depends on what you mean by "fire". The Navy ships fired the first actual munition (despite it being a warning shot). However, rather than respond to the destroyer's foghorn with a sound or communication of their own, they let loose some kind of energy wave that shatters windows, disables sensors, and knocks men off their feet. I can see how that could be interpreted as an escalation by the Navy.

Who go out of their way to avoid causing non-hostile deaths?

The alien attitude towards this is a bit odd. While they do avoid murdering a child who is simply standing there, they deliberately destroy freeways and overpasses, thus killing hundreds of innocent travelers. They clearly have the ability to directly attack military bases...why destroy the freeways if they don't have to? The US Navy didn't kill any civilians at all, however.

Who doesn't kill anyone (except through accidents) until they are attacked?

This probably can be answered by your first question. Who attacked who first can depend on your point of view.

[SilverDragonRed]

Who shows aggressive actions first? Who fires at whom, first?

Depends on what you mean by "fire". The Navy ships fired the first actual munition (despite it being a warning shot). However, rather than respond to the destroyer's foghorn with a sound or communication of their own, they let loose some kind of energy wave that shatters windows, disables sensors, and knocks men off their feet. I can see how that could be interpreted as an escalation by the Navy.

Who go out of their way to avoid causing non-hostile deaths?

The alien attitude towards this is a bit odd. While they do avoid murdering a child who is simply standing there, they deliberately destroy freeways and overpasses, thus killing hundreds of innocent travelers. They clearly have the ability to directly attack military bases...why destroy the freeways if they don't have to? The US Navy didn't kill any civilians at all, however.

Who doesn't kill anyone (except through accidents) until they are attacked?

This probably can be answered by your first question. Who attacked who first can depend on your point of view.

The sensors were already out of commission by the force dome. It appears that the aliens mistook the foghorn as an aggressive action, so the shockwave could be seen as a non-escalating response; although I have seen a couple of articles that said it could be their form of communications. Not enough info to judge either way. After the John Paul Jones fired the warning shot, the view switches to the aliens. It showed the middle vessel as red instead of green (40:58-41:00), so, it seems the Regent didn't like the foghorn all that much.

The freeway/overpass attacks are bizarre, definitely. Maybe, they're attacking the infrastructure, but why would they would to? You said it yourself. They have been shown to effortlessly destroy military targets without collateral. But then, they let a civilian wander through their work area (the satellite installation) unharmed, and that guy was collecting info on them. Those scenes reek of being last minute additions.

[Borgholio]

The sensors were already out of commission by the force dome.

True about the radar, but it also knocked other things offline like the 5" gun on at least one of the other ships.

It showed the middle vessel as red instead of green (40:58-41:00), so, it seems the Regent didn't like the foghorn all that much.

Did it show the ship as red after the foghorn? I thought it was after the gunfire.

But then, they let a civilian wander through their work area (the satellite installation) unharmed, and that guy was collecting info on them. Those scenes reek of being last minute additions.

Yeah that whole thing doesn't make much sense. The geek said they killed his partner but didn't elaborate on if his partner attacked the aliens first or if it was unprovoked. Then they let him get away with the equipment, even tried to calm him down so he wasn't shaking so much. At the same time, the police officers who were simply trying to evacuate people off the mountain were immediately attacked. Lacking any other info, it makes me wonder if maybe these guys just aren't a very cohesive unit. Maybe a rag-tag bunch of mercenaries with a general mission but not enough discipline to have everyone on the same page as it were...

But hey, we're analyzing Battleship...a movie that you really shouldn't watch without turning off your brain anyways. Looking simply at the tech and not the tactics of the aliens, they wouldn't be a match for anything the Republic has.

[SilverDragonRed]

It showed the middle vessel as red instead of green (40:58-41:00), so, it seems the Regent didn't like the foghorn all that much.

Did it show the ship as red after the foghorn? I thought it was after the gunfire.

I'll have to find a clip of that particular scene, otherwise you'd have to risk the entire damn movie.

Like I said; after the warning shot, the camera switches sides and joins the aliens. Their viewscreen shows the middle ship (the one who used the foghorn) as red before it pans to the John Paul Jones, turns that ship from green to red, and attacks.

But hey, we're analyzing Battleship...a movie that you really shouldn't watch without turning off your brain anyways. Looking simply at the tech and not the tactics of the aliens, they wouldn't be a match for anything the Republic has.

I've done the same thing with Nemesis; which is how I found the dinner scene in the Romulan Senate Hall to be the only good scene in that movie.

But, yeah. The Regent's ships are not durable at all. Their communications vessel was taken out by running into a satellite.

[cmdrjones]

But hey, we're analyzing Battleship...a movie that you really shouldn't watch without turning off your brain anyways. Looking simply at the tech and not the tactics of the aliens, they wouldn't be a match for anything the Republic has.

I've done the same thing with Nemesis; which is how I found the dinner scene in the Romulan Senate Hall to be the only good scene in that movie.

But, yeah. The Regent's ships are not durable at all. Their communications vessel was taken out by running into a satellite.[/quote]

Take that back! The scene where Troi gets mindraped effectively communicates the symbology of how our common sense gets raped by that travesty of a film.

(honorable mention to the evil-green-radiation-generating-superweapon-right-there-on-the-bridge without so much as a velvet rope to keep people from slipping and falling into it scene)

[cmdrjones]

I'll take a shot at answering my own question:

#1 the Alien mind control slug from The Faculty
#2 " " " " " " " " " meteor from Slither
#3 The walkers from War of the worlds (Tom Cruise remake)
#4 The Swarm from Battle Los Angeles
#5 The Regents from Battleship
#6 (sigh... had to do it) the 'Signs' aliens
#7 The Psychlos from Battlefield Earth (including their homeworld)
#8 The Galactic criminals known as Crites (Critters)
#9 Klaatu & Gort from TDTESS (Keanu Reeves remake)
#10 The Independance Day Aliens
#11 The bugs from Starship Troopers along with planet P and Klendathu
#12 The Kryptonian rebels under General Zod
#13 The movie version Decepticons (all 4 movies)
#14 The Edge of Tomorrow Mimics
#15 the borg Queen and her cube from ST 1st contact
#16 & #17 & #18 THe Chitauri from The Avengers, the Dark Elves from Thor, TDW and Ronan the Accuser and his Sakarrans from Guardians of the Galaxy

Ok let's break this down into manageable chunks:

So, we have 5 years to prepare AND the ability to do tech exchange, but there aren't very much in the way of numbers to work with, so I came up with a few devious Ideas that may make the Lima Lima alliance (Loveable Losers) a little bit more viable in their attempt to take the whole galaxy.

Infiltrate the alien mind control slug (#1) onto Kamino just before the onset of hostilities. Have it infect as many of the wierd beasts of burden and by extension, Kaminoans as possible. Perhaps we can take the Republics clone factories by subversion All at once?
With tech Sharing, the Mind control slug, which is aquatic, should be able to carry packets of Borg or Klaatu nanites (or an upgraded combination) onto the planet as well.

#2 The mind control slug from Slither is an alien group mind that seems to survive by absorbing the fauna of a planet into a giant group mind and use them to attack and "eat" all animal life until the biosphere is essentially all one giant psychic alien slug blob. This is really kinda a dumb alien, but could be used as an area denial weapon, or a bio-weapon used to disrupt a key node or supply point. Being that it starts out tiny and grows nearly exponentially means that while insidious, it's not very subtle. Best to drop on a planet with a lot of animal life, but not much military that has some other significance, or that can be used as a distraction: Either a farming planet, a mercantile hub (Corellia?) or someplace that an infestation would cause a LOT of consternation just by the freaky nature of the alien group mind zombie attack: Coruscant.

Option B: Include mind control slugs as a missile weapon that Borg, Psychlo or ID4 alien infantry can toss at foes. Motto: Throw a slug, save a bullet!

#3 Walkers from WOTW.... Dust beams seem to be cool and they excel at attacking lightly armed planets and civilians. they also seem to be good for capturing/rounding up random civilians. I'd give them a tech upgrade with better shields and pair them up with ID4 Infantry and Borg drones and use them as rear area security troops/light armor or as deep infiltration probes Send them in to burrow into planets near but not in republic space and them have them wait for the Invasion fleet to approach and when Republic forces rise up to meet it, they cause havoc in rear areas.

#4 These seem like a sort of Air assault force, i'd simply try to upgrade thier armor and weapons as much as possible and pair them up with the ID4 fleet and/or the "Battleship" aliens. IF (and that's a big if) they can make planetfall, they should give the Republic troops a run for thier money.

#5 See above. The regents are the naval version (to a certain extent) their burrowing droids COULD be deadly assuming they are upgraded to the point that they could affect SW construction, otherwise it'd be like assuming a Roomba can run over a T-72 because it can run over a toy T-72... (These guys will also have the task of making sure #1 can take Kamino in a surprise attack)

#6 Oh boy, athletic! Poison gas excreters! Freaky! oh wait... utterly retarded.... I have the borg queen assimilate them all and give them a special borg anti-water suit and use them for assaulting Tatooine and Mustafar.

#7 psychlos have gas bombers.... which WOULD be useful only if you have space superiority and can deliver them to the upper atmosphere of a target planet. There ARE billions of them however and they are pretty strong and ruthless, but also abysmally stupid. They just became the rear area occupation troops and a small group of suicidal infantry because thier 'breath gas' is incredibly explosive when exposed to 'radiation' Just send in the psychlo borgs with massive breath gas tanks and have them open a small packet of radioactive elements on thier person just after they open a valve: boom
Alternatively, they can aid in a scheme to be detailed under the Borg entry below....

#8 Crites are just hungry scum that enjoy red meat, rolling around and reproducing like mad. They should be introduced around the time of the invasion as "refugees" and hopefully allowed to spread through republic controlled space. Imagine giant, intelligent, poisonous rats that can form a 5th column...

#9 These guys seem to be sort of like a tac nuke... you get to the surface of a planet you want gone and let them go to town. I'd save them until I really really needed something gone, then send them in to wipe it out... Still, a pretty clumsy delivery system for a substandard planet buster.

#10 the 1D4 aliens are unfortunately my main space faring race. They'll have to provide the transport for the bulk of the other forces. Their method of "slowly approach the enemy planet, hover over cities and blow them up" will be like Field Marshal haig taking on the US army in Iraq circa 1991... not pretty, however, with Borg Technology, we maybe able to speed them up a bit and give them somewhat better weapons...

#11 The Bugs... oh boy the bugs... If the Borg queen can have her drones manufacture primitive warp drives to these asteroid spoor weapons and launch them into Republic space, they MIGHT be able to hit a few planets, but it would have to be timed to coincide with a galactic fleet invasion. A republic fleet that ISN'T engaged in fighting won't find a few bug egg impregnated asteroids to be much more than target practice, whether or NOT the bugs can toss them through wormholes

#12 General Zod will be sent to a system with a yellow sun and to clone hordes of Superbabies. A kryptonian Army will PWN republic fleets if they can be drawn into fighting in systems with yellow suns....

#13 Decepticons themselves are dead meat when fighting republic troops, so they just won't DO that, these guys have 5 years of industrial espionage to conduct, and nobody notices droids anyway, so if they can just avoid being idiotic for a few years, there should be a nice flow of technology from them to the LL alliance.

#14 These guys are the key to the whole shebang... once we launch the grand plan, the mimics go to where the fighting is going WELL, (reinforce success, not failure) and re-run battles ad infinitum until republic forces are having one Cannae after another.

#15 The Borg queen and her cube can facillitate tech sharing, they can construct transwarp hubs, they can also help with the infiltration plan by selling themselves as cheap labor (Get your drones here! Step right up! Half as expensive as a droid, and we handle ALL maintenance and upgrades for 5 years!) they can also buy up slaves on the open markets in the seedier areas of the galaxy and assimilate them to A) get their knowledge and B) build a huge drone army. Also, they can help mine godl and other precious elements from all the asteroids floating around and sell those nat resources to the republic for the cash to afford the slaves etc.

#16 The chitauri suck, AND have a hug achilles heel (the control ship) but have biomechanical dragons! And who doesnt think that's cool? theier anti-grav tech could come in handy as well....

#17 The Dark elves: there's only a few, but they can go toe to toe w Asgardians which makes them excellent shock troops. USe them enmasse to kill jedi

#18 Ronan and the Sakaarans.... meh.... without the infinity stone, nothing they do is particularly impressive. Ronan and his henchpersons shwo superhuman attributes, (using INT as the dump stat, obviously) but they could be useful as a way to keep republic fighters at bay.

Summary: with 5 years of infiltration and subversion and buying SW ships and tech, and a surprise invasion coupled with bio-weapons, supersoldiers, and swarms of Drones, bugs, Critters, and mind slugs (some appearing behind the lines) the LL alliance stands a pretty good chance.

For example: Buy SW freighters, hollow them out and have them filled with Brog nanites and transporters, at the onset of hostilities, move into orbit of planets behind the lines, beam up key personnel for assimilation all at once then hyperspace to the outer rim.... should be shocking and demoralizing if several billion people disappear all at once and return as drones.

Or use drones and critters to disperse nanites into the droid population, but don't activate the assimilation until hostilities begin.... goodbye republic.

[The Romulan Republic]

Plus the whole planet of Psychlos from Battlefield Earth, IIRC, was a fairly sizeable military force in its own right.

The Bugs are *not* impressive at all. A competent modern-day military would have been able to hold them off. Unless we're talking book version, which were tougher nuts.

Independence Day aliens have some serious ships, but their tech level is not all that impressive compared to Star Wars. Some good acceleration on the fighters, though (what was it, from Area 51 to the mothership-- halfway to the moon or something-- in a matter of minutes?), which SW can probably match with ease. I doubt their shields are that good, and the ships only really exhibited one or two weapons other than the big city-buster cannon.

Signs aliens? Please.

Mimics could be very difficult to counter. Jedi can do it, though. They might also have issues against armour, IIRC the Edge of Tomorrow soldiers never really tried much in the way of tanks but then they may just not have shown them much. But clonetroopers against Mimics could get messy.

Decepticons could also mess up the Republic due to their ability to hide, although SW sensors are almost certainly far better than Earth's. It's a pretty good guarantee that they could be detected. Whether they could be caught before they can cause havoc is another story. Imagine Megatron in disguise as a LAAT... inside an Acclamator or Venator. They can be taken down by massive quantities of Earth weapons though, I imagine Star Wars weapons could put a better hole in them.

Borg and the cube? Ha. If the cube can withstand 200GT turbolasers, I tip my hat to them. Blasters are also significantly stronger than phasers, and if they try to assimilate clonetroopers, they have to get through armour first rather than Starfleet pajamas.

Don't know enough about the rest. Mind-control aliens like the ones from Slither could be countered by Jedi, probably.

Isn't the 200 gigatonturbo laser thing completely meaningless now that its source has been rendered non-canon?

[Adam Reynolds]

Isn't the 200 gigatonturbo laser thing completely meaningless now that its source has been rendered non-canon?

That depends on whether you believe that the firepower and power generation of the Death Star scales linearly. If you agree that it does, then 200 gigatons are the level for medium turbolasers and you are possibly looking at teraton level firepower for heavy turbolasers. If the power scales in a different fashion, then it could be anything from megatons on up, though heavy turbolasers are presumably in the . Saxton didn't come up with the numbers out of thin air. They were based on observation and scaling, largely due to the Death Star. Contrary to popular belief it has nothing to do with the firepower figures involving a BDZ. In any case, regardless of details, turbolasers are at least in the petawatt range.

Regardless of the exact breakdown, the Borg are going to die with only a single cube against the entire Republic fleet.

[The Romulan Republic]

Well, yes, I'd tend to assume one cube vs. a galactic civilization is going to lose.

Edit: My point is just that numbers are going to have to come from a source that is canon, whatever those numbers may be.