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I've been optimistic about 3d printing for a couple of years.

This quote was crazy

"The U.S. hearing aid industry converted to 100% additive manufacturing in less than 500 days, according to one industry CEO, and not one company that stuck to traditional manufacturing methods survived. Managers will need to determine whether it’s wise to wait for this fast-evolving technology to mature before making certain investments or whether the risk of waiting is too great. Their answers will differ, but for all of them it seems safe to say that the time for strategic thinking is now."


https://hbr.org/2015/05/the-3-d-printing-revolution

Industrial 3-D printing is at a tipping point, about to go mainstream in a big way. Most executives and many engineers don’t realize it, but this technology has moved well beyond prototyping, rapid tooling, trinkets, and toys. “Additive manufacturing” is creating durable and safe products for sale to real customers in moderate to large quantities.

The beginnings of the revolution show up in a 2014 PwC survey of more than 100 manufacturing companies. At the time of the survey, 11% had already switched to volume production of 3-D-printed parts or products. According to Gartner analysts, a technology is “mainstream” when it reaches an adoption level of 20%.

Among the numerous companies using 3-D printing to ramp up production are GE (jet engines, medical devices, and home appliance parts), Lockheed Martin and Boeing (aerospace and defense), Aurora Flight Sciences (unmanned aerial vehicles), Invisalign (dental devices), Google (consumer electronics), and the Dutch company LUXeXcel (lenses for light-emitting diodes, or LEDs). Watching these developments, McKinsey recently reported that 3-D printing is “ready to emerge from its niche status and become a viable alternative to conventional manufacturing processes in an increasing number of applications.” In 2014 sales of industrial-grade 3-D printers in the United States were already one-third the volume of industrial automation and robotic sales. Some projections have that figure rising to 42% by 2020.

More companies will follow as the range of printable materials continues to expand. In addition to basic plastics and photosensitive resins, these already include ceramics, cement, glass, numerous metals and metal alloys, and new thermoplastic composites infused with carbon nanotubes and fibers. Superior economics will eventually convince the laggards. Although the direct costs of producing goods with these new methods and materials are often higher, the greater flexibility afforded by additive manufacturing means that total costs can be substantially lower.

With this revolutionary shift already under way, managers should now be engaging with strategic questions on three levels:

First, sellers of tangible products should ask how their offerings could be improved, whether by themselves or by competitors. Fabricating an object layer by layer, according to a digital “blueprint” downloaded to a printer, allows not only for limitless customization but also for designs of greater intricacy.

Second, industrial enterprises must revisit their operations. As additive manufacturing creates myriad new options for how, when, and where products and parts are fabricated, what network of supply chain assets and what mix of old and new processes will be optimal?

Third, leaders must consider the strategic implications as whole commercial ecosystems begin to form around the new realities of 3-D printing. Much has been made of the potential for large swaths of the manufacturing sector to atomize into an untold number of small “makers.” But that vision tends to obscure a surer and more important development: To permit the integration of activities across designers, makers, and movers of goods, digital platforms will have to be established. At first these platforms will enable design-to-print activities and design sharing and fast downloading. Soon they will orchestrate printer operations, quality control, real-time optimization of printer networks, and capacity exchanges, among other needed functions. The most successful platform providers will prosper mightily by establishing standards and providing the settings in which a complex ecosystem can coordinate responses to market demands. But every company will be affected by the rise of these platforms. There will be much jockeying among incumbents and upstarts to capture shares of the enormous value this new technology will create.

These questions add up to a substantial amount of strategic thinking, and still another remains: How fast will all this happen? For a given business, here’s how fast it can happen: The U.S. hearing aid industry converted to 100% additive manufacturing in less than 500 days, according to one industry CEO, and not one company that stuck to traditional manufacturing methods survived. Managers will need to determine whether it’s wise to wait for this fast-evolving technology to mature before making certain investments or whether the risk of waiting is too great. Their answers will differ, but for all of them it seems safe to say that the time for strategic thinking is now.
Additive’s Advantages

It may be hard to imagine that this technology will displace today’s standard ways of making things in large quantities. Traditional injection-molding presses, for example, can spit out thousands of widgets an hour. By contrast, people who have watched 3-D printers in action in the hobbyist market often find the layer-by-layer accretion of objects comically slow. But recent advances in the technology are changing that dramatically in industrial settings.

Some may forget why standard manufacturing occurs with such impressive speed. Those widgets pour out quickly because heavy investments have been made up front to establish the complex array of machine tools and equipment required to produce them. The first unit is extremely expensive to make, but as identical units follow, their marginal cost plummets.

Additive manufacturing doesn’t offer anything like that economy of scale. However, it avoids the downside of standard manufacturing—a lack of flexibility. Because each unit is built independently, it can easily be modified to suit unique needs or, more broadly, to accommodate improvements or changing fashion. And setting up the production system in the first place is much simpler, because it involves far fewer stages. That’s why 3-D printing has been so valuable for producing one-offs such as prototypes and rare replacement parts. But additive manufacturing increasingly makes sense even at higher scale. Buyers can choose from endless combinations of shapes, sizes, and colors, and this customization adds little to a manufacturer’s cost even as orders reach mass-production levels.

A big part of the additive advantage is that pieces that used to be molded separately and then assembled can now be produced as one piece in a single run. A simple example is sunglasses: The 3-D process allows the porosity and mixture of plastics to vary in different areas of the frame. The earpieces come out soft and flexible, while the rims holding the lenses are hard. No assembly required.

Printing parts and products also allows them to be designed with more-complex architectures, such as honeycombing within steel panels or geometries previously too fine to mill. Complex mechanical parts—an encased set of gears, for example—can be made without assembly. Additive methods can be used to combine parts and generate far more interior detailing. That’s why GE Aviation has switched to printing the fuel nozzles of certain jet engines. It expects to churn out more than 45,000 of the same design a year, so one might assume that conventional manufacturing methods would be more suitable. But printing technology allows a nozzle that used to be assembled from 20 separately cast parts to be fabricated in one piece. GE says this will cut the cost of manufacturing by 75%.

U.S. hearing aid companies converted to 100% 3-D printing in less than 500 days.

Additive manufacturing can also use multiple printer jets to lay down different materials simultaneously. Thus Optomec and other companies are developing conductive materials and methods of printing microbatteries and electronic circuits directly into or onto the surfaces of consumer electronic devices. Additional applications include medical equipment, transportation assets, aerospace components, measurement devices, telecom infrastructure, and many other “smart” things.

The enormous appeal of limiting assembly work is pushing additive manufacturing equipment to grow ever larger. At the current extreme, the U.S. Department of Defense, Lockheed Martin, Cincinnati Tool Steel, and Oak Ridge National Laboratory are partnering to develop a capability for printing most of the endo- and exoskeletons of jet fighters, including the body, wings, internal structural panels, embedded wiring and antennas, and soon the central load-bearing structure. So-called big area additive manufacturing makes such large-object fabrication possible by using a huge gantry with computerized controls to move the printers into position. When this process has been certified for use, the only assembly required will be the installation of plug-and-play electronics modules for navigation, communications, weaponry, and electronic countermeasure systems in bays created during the printing process. In Iraq and Afghanistan the U.S. military has been using drones from Aurora Flight Sciences, which prints the entire body of these unmanned aerial vehicles—some with wingspans of 132 feet—in one build.
Three-Dimensional Strategy

This brief discussion of additive manufacturing’s advantages suggests how readily companies will embrace the technology—and additional savings in inventory, shipping, and facility costs will make the case even stronger. The clear implication is that managers in companies of all kinds should be working to anticipate how their businesses will adapt on the three strategic levels mentioned above.
Offerings, redesigned.

Product strategy is the answer to that most basic question in business, What will we sell? Companies will need to imagine how their customers could be better served in an era of additive manufacturing. What designs and features will now be possible that were not before? What aspects can be improved because restrictions or delivery delays have been eliminated?

For example, in the aerospace and automotive industries, 3-D printing will most often be used in the pursuit of performance gains. Previously, the fuel efficiency of jet fighters and vehicles could be enhanced by reducing their weight, but this frequently made them less structurally sound. The new technology allows manufacturers to hollow out a part to make it lighter and more fuel-efficient and incorporate internal structures that provide greater tensile strength, durability, and resistance to impact. And new materials that have greater heat and chemical resistance can be used in various spots in a product, as needed.

In other industries, the use of additive manufacturing for more-tailored and fast-evolving products will have ramifications for how offerings are marketed. What happens to the concept of product generations—let alone the hoopla around a launch—when things can be upgraded continually during successive printings rather than in the quantum leaps required by the higher tooling costs and setup times of conventional manufacturing? Imagine a near future in which cloud-based artificial intelligence augments additive manufacturing’s ability to change or add products instantly without retooling. Real-time changes in product strategy, such as product mix and design decisions, would become possible. With such rapid adaptation, what new advantages should be core to brand promises? And how could marketing departments prevent brand drift without losing sales?
Operations, reoptimized.

Operations strategy encompasses all the questions of how a company will buy, make, move, and sell goods. The answers will be very different with additive manufacturing. Greater operational efficiency is always a goal, but it can be achieved in many ways. Today most companies contemplating the use of the technology do piecemeal financial analysis of targeted opportunities to swap in 3-D equipment and designs where those can reduce direct costs. Much bigger gains will come when they broaden their analyses to consider the total cost of manufacturing and overhead.

How much could be saved by cutting out assembly steps? Or by slashing inventories through production only in response to actual demand? Or by selling in different ways—for example, direct to consumers via interfaces that allow them to specify any configuration? In a hybrid world of old and new manufacturing methods, producers will have many more options; they will have to decide which components or products to transition over to additive manufacturing, and in what order.

Additional questions will arise around facilities locations. How proximate should they be to which customers? How can highly customized orders be delivered as efficiently as they are produced? Should printing be centralized in plants or dispersed in a network of printers at distributors, at retailers, on trucks, or even in customers’ facilities? Perhaps all of the above. The answers will change in real time, adjusting to shifts in foreign exchange, labor costs, printer efficiency and capabilities, material costs, energy costs, and shipping costs.

A shorter traveling distance for products or parts not only saves money; it saves time. If you’ve ever been forced to leave your vehicle at a repair shop while the mechanic waits for a part, you’ll appreciate that. BMW and Honda, among other automakers, are moving toward the additive manufacturing of many industrial tools and end-use car parts in their factories and dealerships—especially as new metal, composite plastic, and carbon-fiber materials become available for use in 3-D printers. Distributors in many industries are taking note, eager to help their business customers capitalize on the new efficiencies. UPS, for example, is building on its existing third-party logistics business to turn its airport hub warehouses into mini-factories. The idea is to produce and deliver customized parts to customers as needed, instead of devoting acres of shelving to vast inventories. If we already live in a world of just-in-time inventory management, we now see how JIT things can get. Welcome to instantaneous inventory management.

Indeed, given all the potential efficiencies of highly integrated additive manufacturing, business process management may become the most important capability around. Some companies that excel in this area will build out proprietary coordination systems to secure competitive advantage. Others will adopt and help to shape standard packages created by big software companies.
Ecosystems, reconfigured.

Finally comes the question of where and how the enterprise fits into its broader business environment. Here managers address the puzzles of Who are we? and What do we need to own to be who we are? As additive manufacturing allows companies to acquire printers that can make many products, and as idle capacity is traded with others in the business of offering different products, the answers to those questions will become far less clear. Suppose you have rows of printers in your facility that build auto parts one day, military equipment the next day, and toys the next. What industry are you part of? Traditional boundaries will blur. Yet managers need a strong sense of the company’s role in the world to make decisions about which assets they will invest in—or divest themselves of.

Aurora Flight Sciences can print the entire body of a drone in one build.

They may find their organizations evolving into something very different from what they have been. As companies are freed from many of the logistical requirements of standard manufacturing, they will have to look anew at the value of their capabilities and other assets and how those complement or compete with the capabilities of others.
The Platform Opportunity

One position in the ecosystem will prove to be the most central and powerful—and this fact is not lost on the management teams of the biggest players already in the business of additive manufacturing, such as eBay, IBM, Autodesk, PTC, Materialise, Stratasys, and 3D Systems. Many are vying to develop the platforms on which other companies will build and connect. They know that the role of platform provider is the biggest strategic objective they could pursue and that it’s still very much up for grabs.

Platforms are a prominent feature in highly digitized 21st-century markets, and additive manufacturing will be no exception. Here platform owners will be powerful because production itself is likely to matter less over time. Already some companies are setting up contract “printer farms” that will effectively commoditize the making of products on demand. Even the valuable designs for printable products, being purely digital and easily shared, will be hard to hold tight. (For that matter, 3-D scanning devices will make it possible to reverse-engineer products by capturing their geometric design information.)

Everyone in the system will have a stake in sustaining the platforms on which production is dynamically orchestrated, blueprints are stored and continually enhanced, raw materials supplies are monitored and purchased, and customer orders are received. Those that control the digital ecosystem will sit in the middle of a tremendous volume of industrial transactions, collecting and selling valuable information. They will engage in arbitrage and divide the work up among trusted parties or assign it in-house when appropriate. They will trade printer capacity and designs all around the world, influencing prices by controlling or redirecting the “deal flow” for both. Like commodities arbitrageurs, they will finance trades or buy low and sell high with the asymmetric information they gain from overseeing millions of transactions.

Responsibility for aligning dispersed capacity with growing market demand will fall to a small number of companies—and if the whole system is to work efficiently, some will have to step up to it. Look for analogs to Google, eBay, Match.com, and Amazon to emerge as search engines, exchange platforms, branded marketplaces, and matchmakers among additive manufacturing printers, designers, and design repositories. Perhaps even automated trading will come into existence, along with markets for trading derivatives or futures on printer capacity and designs.

In essence, then, the owners of printer-based manufacturing assets will compete with the owners of information for the profits generated by the ecosystem. And in fairly short order, power will migrate from producers to large systems integrators, which will set up branded platforms with common standards to coordinate and support the system. They’ll foster innovation through open sourcing and acquiring or partnering with smaller companies that meet high standards of quality. Small companies may indeed continue to try out interesting new approaches on the margins—but we’ll need big organizations to oversee the experiments and then push them to be practical and scalable.
Digital History Replicated

Thinking about the unfolding revolution in additive manufacturing, it’s hard not to reflect on that great transformative technology, the internet. In terms of the latter’s history, it might be fair to say that additive manufacturing is only in 1995. Hype levels were high that year, yet no one imagined how commerce and life would change in the coming decade, with the arrival of Wi-Fi, smartphones, and cloud computing. Few foresaw the day that internet-based artificial intelligence and software systems could run factories—and even city infrastructures—better than people could.

he future of additive manufacturing will bring similar surprises that might look strictly logical in hindsight but are hard to picture today. Imagine how new, highly capable printers might replace highly skilled workers, shifting entire companies and even manufacturing-based countries into people-less production. In “machine organizations,” humans might work only to service the printers.

And that future will arrive quickly. Once companies put a toe in the water and experience the advantages of greater manufacturing flexibility, they tend to dive in deep. As materials science creates more printable substances, more manufacturers and products will follow. Local Motors recently demonstrated that it can print a good-looking roadster, including wheels, chassis, body, roof, interior seats, and dashboard but not yet drivetrain, from bottom to top in 48 hours. When it goes into production, the roadster, including drivetrain, will be priced at approximately $20,000. As the cost of 3-D equipment and materials falls, traditional methods’ remaining advantages in economies of scale are becoming a minor factor.

Local Motors can print a good-looking roadster from bottom to top in 48 hours.

Here’s what we can confidently expect: Within the next five years we will have fully automated, high-speed, large-quantity additive manufacturing systems that are economical even for standardized parts. Owing to the flexibility of those systems, customization or fragmentation in many product categories will then take off, further reducing conventional mass production’s market share.

Smart business leaders aren’t waiting for all the details and eventualities to reveal themselves. They can see clearly enough that additive manufacturing developments will change the way products are designed, made, bought, and delivered. They are taking the first steps in the redesign of manufacturing systems. They are envisioning the claims they will stake in the emerging ecosystem. They are making the many layers of decisions that will add up to advantage in a new world of 3-D printing.
A version of this article appeared in the May 2015 issue of Harvard Business Review.
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I saw this story about a month ago and immediately thought of it when reading your post.
One of the presentations at the TED Conference in Vancouver this week that had much of the tech elite oohing and ahhing was something called CLIP (no relation to Microsoft's reviled animated helper) or Continuous Liquid Interface Production.

It's a new way of 3-D manufacturing introduced by a company called Carbon3D. CEO and co-founder Joseph DeSimone says what we've been calling 3-D printing is actually 2D printing. It's like ink printing a line over and over again until a little structure emerges, except instead of ink it's, say, plastic. This type of printing is mostly useful for making prototypes, but not really a part that could withstand regular use.

The CLIP technology, however, uses a puddle of liquid resin that has ultraviolet light and oxygen projected through it, essentially sculpting the liquid with the light, sort of like growing a crystal. The best way to understand this process is to imagine the scene from Terminator 2: Judgment Day, when from fluid metal, emerged T-1000, the AI soldier built by AI to exterminate humans. DeSimone points to that scene as inspiration and says they wondered, "How would you get something like that to work?"

What comes out of this printer comes quickly — up to 100 times faster than existing 3-D printers. In addition, the pieces it makes can be of commercial grade using a broad range of materials — and the shapes it makes are far more complex than something that could be made with, say, injection molding. You can make a tube filled with a lattice-like structure. That lace-like lattice can replace a solid structure, making objects lighter. This could be used for fabricating something like airplane seats, cutting the weight of the seat.

The printers should be for sale within the year, though Carbon3D has not yet announced pricing.
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reactive UV resin has been out for at least a year - i know guys who've been making their own custom 6mm scale models with it. It's messy, wasteful but scales to fine detail better then plastic extrusion.
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madd0ct0r wrote:reactive UV resin has been out for at least a year - i know guys who've been making their own custom 6mm scale models with it. It's messy, wasteful but scales to fine detail better then plastic extrusion.
I think the reactive UV resin tech is different from the CLIP tech, but looks very similar.

Reading through the article, I'm not sure the author realizes that the most major industrial uses he lists for 3d printing are not for manufacturing, but still prototyping. GE isn't building jet engines to sell out of a 3d printer; they're designing and testing them with the 3d printer then building them the regular way. Hearing aids and dental components might be being sold out of a 3d printer, but they are probably using the 3d-printed object as a mold to make the real object with. Consumer drone parts are probably the only things listed sold straight out of a 3d printer, and that's more because the drone market is evolving and the demand is low.

Other than that one new tech, which uses resin and probably isn't compatible with just any material, 3d printing also takes loads of time compared to conventional manufacturing. Its advantage is that you don't need to have someone tooling something to get an accurate part, and you don't need them to change the molds and tools/machines every time you make a minor change to the part. The part will probably be made of ABS or PLA, and totally unsuitable for uses other than as a prop or for consumers, but you'll have it without needing to call up a machinist or sculptor.
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This Is the First 3D-Printed Part That's Approved for a Jet Engine
3D printing has just reached another major milestone as the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has officially approved GE’s T25 as the first 3D printed part cleared for use on a commercial jet engine.

GE is now working with Boeing to retrofit over 400 of its GE90-94B engines—used on the modern 777—with the new part.

But before you get second thoughts about ever flying again, it’s important to note that this part wasn’t created using the consumer-grade 3D printers that churn out toys, smartphone cases, and other plastic trinkets. The fist-sized silver metal housing designed to protect a compressor inlet temperature sensor from icing was created using a 3D printer using additive manufacturing techniques. But instead of extruding plastic from a heated nozzle, a highly-accurate laser is directed at layer after layer of cobalt-chrome powder to slowly build up the part over time.

What you’re left with is a part made from lightweight cobalt-chrome alloy metal that’s just as strong and durable as parts made with more traditional manufacturing techniques like metal stamping or milling. Except that using a 3D printer means these parts are actually faster to produce and refine, they can be far more complex in their design, and they result in little to no wasted material during production.
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KroLazuxy_87 wrote:snip
Well, that blows my post up. Only slightly though - the parts they're building with $100K+ machines appear (from that picture) to be sensors (probably of the type where if the sensor breaks the engine is probably fine). For $1M+ engines. So probably not mainstream or consumer grade in any conceivable way.

Still, if that's a picture of a printed part, color me impressed.
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Me2005 wrote:
KroLazuxy_87 wrote:snip
Well, that blows my post up. Only slightly though - the parts they're building with $100K+ machines appear (from that picture) to be sensors (probably of the type where if the sensor breaks the engine is probably fine). For $1M+ engines. So probably not mainstream or consumer grade in any conceivable way.

Still, if that's a picture of a printed part, color me impressed.
It is a sensor housing. But I'm pretty sure that if it breaks, it's going to cause a very expensive repair job. It's aerodynamically shaped. Which means it's in the air flow. Most of the spots in air flow have rapidly spinning things behind them.
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Me2005 wrote:
KroLazuxy_87 wrote:snip
Well, that blows my post up. Only slightly though - the parts they're building with $100K+ machines appear (from that picture) to be sensors (probably of the type where if the sensor breaks the engine is probably fine). For $1M+ engines. So probably not mainstream or consumer grade in any conceivable way.

Still, if that's a picture of a printed part, color me impressed.
Then you´d probably have to define "mainstream" first. If "mainstream" means "consumer grade" then a machine that builds airplane motor parts will probably never be "mainstream". But then molding isn´t "mainstream" either as I know of very few people who could make motor parts, hearing aids or dental pieces at home with molds.
On the other hand there allready are plenty of 3D printers in private hands and accessible 3D printing services, just not as sophisticated as the ones used at Boeing. So in a way they allready are "mainstream" at least for creating plastic yodas and similar crap.
The "problem" with 3D printing at home is the same as the "problem" with having an electrical drill at home. Most people don´t need it very often and don´t have the skill to use it for anything else than drilling holes for hanging up pictures which is the drill equivalent of printing yodas.

If "mainstream" on the other hand means using it in factories to produce stuff it´s gone mainstream a long time ago. I mean it´s allways said that it is "only" used for prototyping. But there is nothing "only" about prototyping because prototyping is an essential part of the design and manufaturing process.

If "mainstream" means for manufacturing large quantities of stuff then the hearing aid sector shows that it allready has gone mainstream. Btw, they do not print out molds they print out the shell you get to put in your ear (without the electronics of course). The reason is that hearing aids gain a lot of value if they are customized for every single user (perfect fit) which makes 3D printing a cheaper alternative to molding. Molding only makes sense if you produce large numbers of exactly the same thing.
On the other hand Google had planned to 3D print their new modular telephone - project ara - but recently had to admit that the technology isn´t good and cheap enough yet for manufacturing something like that.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the first main application for consumer 3D printing we see is in food - there are already food-compatible 3D printers that make things like custom pancakes and ravioli.

My impression is that a lot of the 3D promotion is 90% hype. Yes, you have a VERY high end to the business (see jet engine part) but the fact is most people don't need a 3D printer. In the end, I'd expect to see a few "consumer-grade" ones in private homes (which will probably be more sophisticated than what current models are), most of which will be used to print pre-made designs rather than being a font of creativity for the owner, and a lot of other people going to an independent service when they need a printing, much like some people print their digital photos at home and lots of others go to a commercial party catering to consumers to get them printed because they don't want to be bothered with owning a photo-grade color printer at home.

I could also see this being used by a major retailer like the one I work for - for certain items, let's take seasonal decorations as an example, instead of having them manufactured halfway around the world and shipped across the planet they load raw materials into a hopper and have the bits manufactured on-site according to home-office issued designs. Not only would this cut down on transportation costs and delays, but also allowing on-demand creation so instead of needing to store pallets of stuff that may or may not sell in the backroom you could manage the supply stream so, at most, you might have a few dozen at the end of the season to write off if something just doesn't sell well. It would also be applicable for certain other items that are fairly simple and common - certain toys, kitchen wares, and the like. Oh, and you could custom-print items for the consumer, just as we print digital photos in one of our departments. It would require some major paradigm changes in how a business such as I work for does business, but that's happened before.
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I don't know about the seasonal goods thing. My experience is strictly with Home Depot, but at the end of the season we just stick clearance tags on all the excess product for a couple weeks, then pack it up and ship it back to distribution for storage to be turned out again when the season rolls around again. Does that cost more? Sure, but the profits are obscene enough that they don't really care. 3D printing would have to get a lot cheaper than industrial labor in China, Vietnam, or wherever, for that to become a practical alternative.

Seasonal goods are often basically disposable as far as most people are concerned from what I've seen. Buy a few million Christmas balls, garlands, tinsel, and all that-- and then toss them out once you're done because you don't want to have to store all that shit. Christmas lights are less likely to get thrown out because they're expensive, but people aren't going to care about that pack of 20 balls they bought for five bucks because the same deal is probably going to roll around the next year.
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Elheru Aran wrote:I don't know about the seasonal goods thing. My experience is strictly with Home Depot, but at the end of the season we just stick clearance tags on all the excess product for a couple weeks, then pack it up and ship it back to distribution for storage to be turned out again when the season rolls around again. Does that cost more? Sure, but the profits are obscene enough that they don't really care. 3D printing would have to get a lot cheaper than industrial labor in China, Vietnam, or wherever, for that to become a practical alternative.
Asian labor will become more expensive. It actually already is. There is also the issue of quality control, which is harder to ensure at a distance.

True, a LOT of goods are seen as disposable... so what?
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Re: 3d printing about to go mainstream?

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3D printing has a lot of value in dentistry. I've been to a few offices a couple years ago where they were already using the technology to print off new crowns.
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Broomstick wrote: My impression is that a lot of the 3D promotion is 90% hype. Yes, you have a VERY high end to the business (see jet engine part) but the fact is most people don't need a 3D printer. In the end, I'd expect to see a few "consumer-grade" ones in private homes (which will probably be more sophisticated than what current models are), most of which will be used to print pre-made designs rather than being a font of creativity for the owner, and a lot of other people going to an independent service when they need a printing, much like some people print their digital photos at home and lots of others go to a commercial party catering to consumers to get them printed because they don't want to be bothered with owning a photo-grade color printer at home.
I don´t think we can go with what people "need", though but look at what people want. Most people don´t need a basement or shed full of home improvement tools such as electrical drills, sanders and what not but still a lot of people do own them. There are probably tools worth billions and billions of dollars in homes that never get used at all. Since 3D printers are just another tool I don´t think there will be a difference. If they´re cheap and accessible enough people will buy them and use them for nothing besides the occasional Yoda head. But they will buy them.
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salm wrote:I don´t think we can go with what people "need", though but look at what people want. Most people don´t need a basement or shed full of home improvement tools such as electrical drills, sanders and what not but still a lot of people do own them.
Most of those likely use the tool on occasion for their intended purpose. And a whole shed full of portable power tools can be had for the cost of a single, very low end, 3d printer; yet can do much much more real work. I've built cabinets with less than $200 in tools and materials; good luck finding any 3d printer available for purchase today (no KS campaigns) for that.

Now, would *I* like to own one? Yes, absolutely. But it's so I can tinker and have a machine produce stuff of questionable value while I design other stuff of questionable value. I think the "mainstream" use most people think of when they think of 3d printing is a star-trek-esque replicator that produces anything asked for in minutes (they'd settle for hours), while also producing it to the same standard as a manufactured equivalent.
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Me2005 wrote: Most of those likely use the tool on occasion for their intended purpose. And a whole shed full of portable power tools can be had for the cost of a single, very low end, 3d printer; yet can do much much more real work. I've built cabinets with less than $200 in tools and materials; good luck finding any 3d printer available for purchase today (no KS campaigns) for that.

Now, would *I* like to own one? Yes, absolutely. But it's so I can tinker and have a machine produce stuff of questionable value while I design other stuff of questionable value. I think the "mainstream" use most people think of when they think of 3d printing is a star-trek-esque replicator that produces anything asked for in minutes (they'd settle for hours), while also producing it to the same standard as a manufactured equivalent.
You get decent 3D printers for around 800€ at the moment. The price is rapidly going down and in a couple of years you can probably buy one for what a decent laser printer costs.
If mainstream means Star Trek replicator and manufactured standards then power tools are not mainstream because most people owning them are not able to produce things to the same standard as manufactured goods.
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