As it happens, two will overlap almost at the same time - presidential and a bit later, parliamentary. Normally, presidential election wouldn't be that important but this time it's occasion to mobilise forces before fight for seats in parliament. Especially seeing a lot of people trying for president belong to protest, non-organised movements and good result will be crucial in deals before the big game.
In one corner, reigning president, Komorowski, a bit dim-witted, over-conservative hunter-farmer from PO. About his only advantage was Tusk support, and people being content with him not rocking the boat, but ever since Tusk left, Ukrainian policy crashed with genocide scandal and his advisors did literally everything to squander 65% support he had two months ago hist literally only hope is winning (somehow) in first stage by protests movements dividing their votes. Or, failing that, by general mobilisation in second stage by everyone afraid of populists.
In other corner, populist right wing puppet, Duda, from PiS. Looks sane and more competent than the above, but sadly, he is just figurehead in the hands of xenophobic, obscurantist party. Since his vote base is second largest he hopes to fight in second stage of election, which will happen if Komorowski fails to get 50.1% of votes. Which is sadly possible, but only thanks to Komorowski's (non) efforts.
Third corner, two tiny left wing parties with frankly ridiculously stupid candidates. Girl that can at best be summed as Polish Palin and a guy who used to be fundie libertarian Christian but somehow turned left wing, somehow because it doesn't show other than his support for decriminalizing marijuana. Where's good old commie or social democrat when you need them?
Four corner, protest coalition dubbed 'ku klux klan' in big part due to their outlook, doesn't have any chance of winning but runs as preparation before run on parliament or to sell their electorate to highest bidder for concessions. Sad part is, they might be half-fascist, half-libertarian, half-idiots but a lot of their support is drawn from Poles being tired of jingoist, warmongering xenophobia on top of proposed arms race to show Russia we're STRONK. No one else bothered to look for these votes, only one left wing party halfheartedly said discussion is better than knee jerk buying of useless military junk and was immediately branded as Putin's agents. Sad.
What I predict will happen, we will copy USA yet again and even centre-right Komorowski will think his loss support is due to not being conservative church dwelling bigot enough and the whole lot will turn even more right wing, completely ignoring huge mass of green and left wing voters who have no one to vote for. Learning from the fate of Democrats and Labour would actually require reading in English, something that would sadly elude that mass of under-educated conservative/nationalist idiots.
Polish Elections 2015
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To sum it up after the whole thing is over - populist protest party, similar to Italian Five Star Movement, got 22% shocking all commentators. Gee, maybe, just maybe, Poles had enough of jingoistic and anti-communist rhetoric 25 years after Soviet Union fell. The fact it shocked anyone sadly just proves how political class and journalists are disconnected from the ruled. Thankfully, other disgusting protest factions, fascists, libertarians and such, got, combined, usual 1% of the vote.
The other thing that shocked the commentators was how reigning president, Komorowski, despite help from Tusk and 60% support in January, lost to challenger from fundie national-populist party, PiS. For reference, these are the scumbags who said they prefer to die than to get homosexual voters, that parliament should include all bishops in country, and that in vitro children are degenerate scum.
Who could have predicted year of rabid jingoistic Russophobic campaign in media will energize almost-fascists and liberal voters will become disillusioned and stay home? Especially after the government said they will spend 50 billion Euro in next decade on pointless military trash at the expense of such unimportant things as economy, education, healthcare or hell, even bringing help to poor countries to West EU standard? Why, anyone sane, but the fact it came as a shock again shows how disconnected and tied to pre-1989 reality Polish politicians are. Hell, entire electorate of the other coalition government party, farmers, voted against their own candidate, as they were main losers on the sanctions.
So, thanks fucking fifth column that was pushing that rabid, orchestrated campaign in media last 12 months. I hope you got what you wanted. Putin must be laughing all the way to bank that Poland robs the future generation making country weaker and more susceptible to foreign influence, by feeding foreign Mil-Ind complex with money instead, ordering grandiose white elephants. Which by the way would be useless in asymmetrical conflict like Ukrainian one...
The other thing that shocked the commentators was how reigning president, Komorowski, despite help from Tusk and 60% support in January, lost to challenger from fundie national-populist party, PiS. For reference, these are the scumbags who said they prefer to die than to get homosexual voters, that parliament should include all bishops in country, and that in vitro children are degenerate scum.
Who could have predicted year of rabid jingoistic Russophobic campaign in media will energize almost-fascists and liberal voters will become disillusioned and stay home? Especially after the government said they will spend 50 billion Euro in next decade on pointless military trash at the expense of such unimportant things as economy, education, healthcare or hell, even bringing help to poor countries to West EU standard? Why, anyone sane, but the fact it came as a shock again shows how disconnected and tied to pre-1989 reality Polish politicians are. Hell, entire electorate of the other coalition government party, farmers, voted against their own candidate, as they were main losers on the sanctions.
So, thanks fucking fifth column that was pushing that rabid, orchestrated campaign in media last 12 months. I hope you got what you wanted. Putin must be laughing all the way to bank that Poland robs the future generation making country weaker and more susceptible to foreign influence, by feeding foreign Mil-Ind complex with money instead, ordering grandiose white elephants. Which by the way would be useless in asymmetrical conflict like Ukrainian one...
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Any chance of that protest electorate making a difference or has both elections been?
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The problem with protest electorate - both real left wing parties are in complete disarray (bad candidates that together got less than 5% of votes), biggest protest party has no program besides "enough jingoism, old anti-communist politician class needs to go already, FPTP" - which should tell you how well they had thought their postulates. PO and PiS, being biggest, would love permanent lock into power UK/US style. Other potential forces are just in the process of organizing and it goes veeery slowly. I doubt any serious opposition will arise before Autumn when parliamentary elections will be held.madd0ct0r wrote:Any chance of that protest electorate making a difference or has both elections been?
No, really, the question is, will the fascists uber-mobilize the entire right wing again and form very anti-EU xenophobic government, or will their victory in presidential race mobilize entire opposition against them around PO and Tusk again. Personally, I think that ship sailed, after 8 years of little reforms and a year of jingoism liberal and left wing voters are dead tired of PO.
Poland didn't suddenly go right wing, but no one bothers seeking support of other political groups so they stay home. They want social safety network, fair work laws and childcare, they see blood hearing money will go to massive arms race/gifted to Ukraine instead. Too many straws broke camel's back.
Probably both PO and PiS will get around 40% of votes and it will be small parties deciding who will rule - Merkel should pray these parties aren't KuKluxKlan ones or Cameron plus Orban will be least of her problems. Not only they are theocratic backward scum, they fully believe global warming is fiction and will veto any CO2 reductions or ecological laws for EU
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I really hope the idiots don't vote the potato back in at the next elections.
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Sooo... Once denial and attempts to excuse stupid voters who didn't like warmongering and stagnation in ruling party passed, Prime Minister Ewa Kopacz detonated political bomb and fired over a dozen ministers and Speaker of the Parliament. Pretty much everyone disliked of note. Interesting move, we'll see if that changes anything before elections.
By the way, it would be very nice if Germans told so called "master investigative journalist" Jürgen Roth and his supposed "BND contacts" to shut up and stop stirring shit with insane crash conspiracy theories that energized Polish truthers before the election. Thank you.
If you mean ex-President Kaczynski, he died in Smolensk in 2010. If his brother, it was actually the fact his party hid him that allowed them to win the presidential election. I am sure most of them took note, though his grip on the party might be too strong for that to change.Thanas wrote:I really hope the idiots don't vote the potato back in at the next elections.
By the way, it would be very nice if Germans told so called "master investigative journalist" Jürgen Roth and his supposed "BND contacts" to shut up and stop stirring shit with insane crash conspiracy theories that energized Polish truthers before the election. Thank you.
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Why the fuck do Polish people believe that guy? He was ran out of German broadcasting in disgrace before 1990 and hasn't had a legitimate article since then. Seriously, nobody believes the guy over here. Why does he even enjoy success in Poland?
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For same reason people in USA believe talking heads on Fox News when someone mentions birth documents or jet fuel on steel beams - they are either too dumb or bought into conspiracy theory and it set in before actual reasonable one could reach them, then it was too late.Thanas wrote:Why the fuck do Polish people believe that guy? He was ran out of German broadcasting in disgrace before 1990 and hasn't had a legitimate article since then. Seriously, nobody believes the guy over here. Why does he even enjoy success in Poland?
Or believe it because it correlates with their political views - to everyone sane in Poland, crash was caused by trying to land in nearly impenetrable fog for political reasons, but if you bought into martyred/gunned down president bullshit, famous German journalist saying the same thing will be accepted 100% without verification and greatly stir up something that nearly died down, in very sensitive time. A sort of grenade into cesspool scenario - had it been published a year ago, it would do little.
And if you think Roth is insane, you clearly never saw Macierewicz, insane paranoidal schizophrenic conspiracist who is main apostle of that "theory" and who makes everyone a pillar of sanity by comparison
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Sounds like all the "German experts" suddenly appearing on Russian TV which nobody in Germany has ever heard of.
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