So essentially, two horrendous convicted murders, one who was convicted of a particularly violent murder, pulled off an incredibly intricate, Hollywood-worthy scheme to break out of a Supermax prison near the Canadian border. They're now on the lose in upstate NY, and given their rather small set of available options, I assume they'll have no qualms about committing further murders/crimes to fund the next phase of their plan.Business Insider wrote: Everything we know about the elaborate maximum-security prison break in New York
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Two murderers escaped from a maximum-security prison in New York over the weekend.
Hundreds of law enforcement officials are involved in search for the convicts.
Authorities converged on the town of Willsboro, New York to search for the convicts after reports of two suspicious individuals there, but they didn't find any sign that the killers had been there, according to the Associated Press. The town is about 40 miles south of the prison. The search for the escapees is reportedly extending to Canada and Mexico as well.
Richard Matt, 48, was serving a sentence of 25 years to life for killing and dismembering his former boss in 1997. David Sweat, 34, was serving a life sentence for killing a sheriff's deputy.
Here's what we know so far about the two criminals and their escape from Clinton Correctional Facility:
The men are thought to be highly dangerous. Detective Gabriel DiBernardo told The New York Times that "you can never have enough security with" Matt or "turn your back on him" because of his great efforts to elude police. Matt escaped from a jail in Erie County in 1986.
Police are investigating whether the convicts had inside help in escaping. Authorities have questioned 51-year-old Joyce Mitchell, who works as an industrial training supervisor in the tailoring department, according to the New York Daily News. They're reportedly investigating whether she had a personal relationship with one of the two men.
The escape was elaborate, as acting state corrections commissioner Anthony Annuci said Saturday at a news conference: "They went onto a catwalk which is about six stories high. We estimate they climbed down and had power tools and were able to get out to this facility through tunnels, cutting away at several spots." They then reportedly came out of a manhole outside prison walls.
Matt and Sweat used hacksaws to cut through steel walls around air vents near their cots to create the hole they would escape through, according to the Daily News. They'd put the vents back in place as they were doing this work, which might taken place over a period of days or weeks, to avoid detection.
To power the tools they used to cut through the steam pipes they crawled through to escape, Matt and Sweat used extension cords and hot-wired electrical junction boxes, according to the Daily News.
To deter prison guards from figuring out they were gone, the duo reportedly stuffed their beds with clothes to make it look like they were there. Corrections officers are supposed to do bed checks every two hours, according to The New York Times. The inmates were reportedly discovered missing at a 5:30 a.m. bed check on Saturday.
They left a note on one of the pipes. The yellow note had a smiley face and "have a nice day" written on it.
New York State Governor's Office
Matt and Sweat were being held in an "honor block" of the prison, according to the Daily News. They were reportedly allowed to spend most of their time outside of their cells and working in a shop where they might have been able to gather the tools they used for their escape.
The prison was undergoing construction work that contractors were brought in to carry out. Prisons have less control over contractors than they do over permanent staff members, Martin Horn, former commissioner of the New York City Department of Correction, told Business Insider. "Outside contractors may or may not comply with [the protocols]," he said. "A worker might be reluctant to report the tool as being lost over fear of losing their job."
Two witnesses reported seeing Matt and Sweat in their backyard after the pair escaped, according to ABC News. The backyard is near the manhole the men reportedly came out of. When the witnesses confronted the men, one of them reportedly said: "We're just lost. We don't know where we are. We're on the wrong street." They then both took off running, the witnesses said.
The witnesses reportedly saw the men carrying a guitar case, which authorities believe the men used to carry the power tools that cut through the pipes.
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They might also have crossed into Canada. Granted, most of the border crossings are bridges in that area, which would be a bit difficult to cross undetected, but if truly determined and ingenious (and these guys are certainly good at the planning and execution of said plans) they could cross via water with either a small boat or something improvised.
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Where are you getting "Supermax" prison from? Clinton Correctional Facility is "only" a maximum security prison.
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Right - you're correct. Sorry, my mistake. Alas - I can't correct the title at this point.Dominus Atheos wrote:Where are you getting "Supermax" prison from? Clinton Correctional Facility is "only" a maximum security prison.
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I like how part of their plan involved tricks used by Ferris Bueller.Broomstick wrote:They might also have crossed into Canada. Granted, most of the border crossings are bridges in that area, which would be a bit difficult to cross undetected, but if truly determined and ingenious (and these guys are certainly good at the planning and execution of said plans) they could cross via water with either a small boat or something improvised.
Anyway, I always wonder how far ahead escapees like this actually plan. Granted, these two are obviously very patient, resourceful, intelligent, persistent and deliberate, and very good at planning - but once out in the world they'll have very little opportunities for interacting with society, whether it's in the US or Canada. They'd probably have better luck in Mexico - but getting there from upstate NY would certainly be difficult, and once they'd made it, they would essentially have no place to live and little prospects for earning a living. They'd have to learn Spanish and perhaps take up odd jobs for the rest of their lives - but they'd always stick out as foreigners who are easy targets for any local police official looking to cash in on the inevitable FBI reward money. Anyway, most escapees from American prisons end up recaptured within days or weeks.
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They could cross from Mexico to Guatalmela, and then into Belize, but they'd still stick on in Belize, despite it being an English speaking country.Channel72 wrote:
Anyway, I always wonder how far ahead escapees like this actually plan. Granted, these two are obviously very patient, resourceful, intelligent, persistent and deliberate, and very good at planning - but once out in the world they'll have very little opportunities for interacting with society, whether it's in the US or Canada. They'd probably have better luck in Mexico - but getting there from upstate NY would certainly be difficult, and once they'd made it, they would essentially have no place to live and little prospects for earning a living. They'd have to learn Spanish and perhaps take up odd jobs for the rest of their lives - but they'd always stick out as foreigners who are easy targets for any local police official looking to cash in on the inevitable FBI reward money. Anyway, most escapees from American prisons end up recaptured within days or weeks.
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Well, if I was a violent criminal facing a life sentence that had just escaped, I think running immediately would be dumb as hell.
If I had no outside help, I'd look for an elderly person's home on the edge of the suburbs - preferably one secluded from neighbors - and kill the resident(s) before hunkering down for a couple days. Basic search methodology expands the search radius as time goes by. As Channel72 pointed out, most criminals are caught quickly. However, your chances of escape go up if those looking for you are more dispersed. Waiting a couple days also gives the general populace some time to forget the face they saw on the news. After the waiting period, I'd go about leaving town (and the country) by one of the aforementioned methods.
If I had someone helping me on the outside, the possibilities for escape increase dramatically. They could scout out a vacant home, hide me in their basement, or provide aid in escaping. With dedicated outside help and proper planning, escape seems almost too easy...
If I had no outside help, I'd look for an elderly person's home on the edge of the suburbs - preferably one secluded from neighbors - and kill the resident(s) before hunkering down for a couple days. Basic search methodology expands the search radius as time goes by. As Channel72 pointed out, most criminals are caught quickly. However, your chances of escape go up if those looking for you are more dispersed. Waiting a couple days also gives the general populace some time to forget the face they saw on the news. After the waiting period, I'd go about leaving town (and the country) by one of the aforementioned methods.
If I had someone helping me on the outside, the possibilities for escape increase dramatically. They could scout out a vacant home, hide me in their basement, or provide aid in escaping. With dedicated outside help and proper planning, escape seems almost too easy...
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Most criminals are not that far thinking, most get caught trying to hook up with family or ex girlfriends.
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That's true, but these guys seem atypically resourceful and cunning.
It's sad really - these guys had the innate skill and talent to become useful members of society.
It's sad really - these guys had the innate skill and talent to become useful members of society.
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What else do they have to do with their time?Channel72 wrote:Anyway, I always wonder how far ahead escapees like this actually plan.
There are a lot of places in the US, and presumably some in Canada, where few questions are asked. Obviously these guys are somewhat fit, they could do manual labor. Not a wealthy life, but adequately comfortable if they lay low. Language is not a problem in Canada.but once out in the world they'll have very little opportunities for interacting with society, whether it's in the US or Canada. They'd probably have better luck in Mexico - but getting there from upstate NY would certainly be difficult, and once they'd made it, they would essentially have no place to live and little prospects for earning a living.
Most, not all.Anyway, most escapees from American prisons end up recaptured within days or weeks.
Those guys who escaped from Alcatraz were never found. There's long been speculation they were eaten by the local sharks but no proof. For that matter, there are some distinct similarities between the Alcatraz escape and what these guys did.
Currently, they are believed to have had outside help. They do have one of the families under surveillance and have questioned them, the family says they've had no contact for months. There is also worker (I'm not clear if she's a prison employee or some sort of outside contractor) who is being intensively questioned, too.KroLazuxy_87 wrote:If I had someone helping me on the outside, the possibilities for escape increase dramatically. They could scout out a vacant home, hide me in their basement, or provide aid in escaping. With dedicated outside help and proper planning, escape seems almost too easy...
I think these guys might be smarter than average.
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And a whole lot of time to think things throughBroomstick wrote:I think these guys might be smarter than average.