Batman v Superman - Now with spoilers and plot discussion!

[GuppyShark]

Eh, she's magic, I don't have a problem with it. Other factors are more important for a proper portrayal of Diana.

[Iroscato]

I fail to see the problem with WW's appearance, I think she looks fine. Linda Carter looked almost the same size and she's considered THE iconic Wonder Woman (although...there's not that many actresses to choose from in that department). The important thing is can Gal Gadot act? I have no idea as I've never seen her work, but the general rumblings are she ain't great.

[Lagmonster]

So while it's easy enough to ensure that Wonder Woman look fit, as opposed to decorative, in your movie... It's going to be very hard to ensure that she look 'buff.'

C'mon, this is Hollywood. Hollywood isn't short of women who can get ripped without packing on mass - usually via simple tricks such as unhealthy starvation and dehydration just before the one ten-second shot you want of the actors' chiseled abs (everyone talks about Chris Pratt's abs in Guardians of the Galaxy, but then you realize that his abs were visible for exactly four seconds in one shot, and he spent the rest of the movie covered head to toe). You just need creative camera angles, body paint, and unusually short extras in your shots to suddenly have a woman who appears significantly larger and/or muscular than they are.

[Kojiro]

I'm happy to buy her strength is magically enhanced. The problem, for me at least, is she looks like a catwalk model and not at all like a warrior.

Yeah Linda Carter had a certain look but I don't think that's the version they're going for. They're going for the sword and shield Amazon warrior. Each to their own of course but to me it doesn't work. I wouldn't like Thor if Hemsworth didn't bulk up. Same here.

[Soontir C'boath]

If we are going to discuss appearance, Affleck's suit makes him look like a life size yarn doll...

[Kojiro]

There is something about the texture of the Batsuit that makes it look kinda like paper mache painted grey to me. As if it's a whole lot of ballistic fabric strips soaked in something and sculpted onto a motorcross get up. More a DIY suit than a stolen from R&D suit.

I still want to know if anyone has any idea how Bats will work out Supes vulnerability, if he even has it in this setting.

[Simon_Jester]

Eh, she's magic, I don't have a problem with it. Other factors are more important for a proper portrayal of Diana.

I fully agree with that. I guess I was just thinking about the practical logistics of it.

So while it's easy enough to ensure that Wonder Woman look fit, as opposed to decorative, in your movie... It's going to be very hard to ensure that she look 'buff.'

C'mon, this is Hollywood. Hollywood isn't short of women who can get ripped without packing on mass - usually via simple tricks such as unhealthy starvation and dehydration just before the one ten-second shot you want of the actors' chiseled abs (everyone talks about Chris Pratt's abs in Guardians of the Galaxy, but then you realize that his abs were visible for exactly four seconds in one shot, and he spent the rest of the movie covered head to toe). You just need creative camera angles, body paint, and unusually short extras in your shots to suddenly have a woman who appears significantly larger and/or muscular than they are.

Eh. It's doable, sure. Although at that point, you're creating the impression of muscles without the actual muscles- without the appearance of solidity. That works for a few shots (as with Chris Pratt), but overall in the whole movie it still runs you into the "she looks like a runway model" problem.

[Enigma]

I'm surprised no one has posted the latest trailer.

Looks to be awesome.

[FaxModem1]

I notice the protester signs resemble those of the Westboro Baptist Church.

[Lost Soal]

Well they've introduced Kryptonite. Wonder if they'll do it better than the original where Luthor just decides there must be meteorites from Krypton and they will be lethal to him... because. Oh look, I'm right.

[Tsyroc]

Well they've introduced Kryptonite. Wonder if they'll do it better than the original where Luthor just decides there must be meteorites from Krypton and they will be lethal to him... because. Oh look, I'm right.

I felt that Man of Steel did set the stage for Superman having problems dealing with some things from Krypton as long as he was in his "adapted to life on Earth" mode. I suppose that an argument could be made for there being something that was dangerous to Kryptonians when on Krypton that is even more of a problem for one of them adapted to living on Earth. However, it does seem awfully convenient that some of it would show up on Earth and even more so that anyone could find it, and in sufficient quantity to do anything with.

Based on the "realism" of MoS it would make more sense to me if Kryptonite was something that could be artificially made based on someone (Luthor, various governments) spending a shitload of money researching Kryptonian biology and the technology of the terraforming equipment they had been using on Earth.

[Darth Nostril]

Well they've introduced Kryptonite. Wonder if they'll do it better than the original where Luthor just decides there must be meteorites from Krypton and they will be lethal to him... because. Oh look, I'm right.

I felt that Man of Steel did set the stage for Superman having problems dealing with some things from Krypton as long as he was in his "adapted to life on Earth" mode. I suppose that an argument could be made for there being something that was dangerous to Kryptonians when on Krypton that is even more of a problem for one of them adapted to living on Earth. However, it does seem awfully convenient that some of it would show up on Earth and even more so that anyone could find it, and in sufficient quantity to do anything with.

Based on the "realism" of MoS it would make more sense to me if Kryptonite was something that could be artificially made based on someone (Luthor, various governments) spending a shitload of money researching Kryptonian biology and the technology of the terraforming equipment they had been using on Earth.

Well we see a body bag being opened to reveal Zods corpse, then we see a large green crystal. The vibe I got was that kryptonite is artificial.

[Crown]

Raging nerd boner for BvS, oh and Suicide Squad Teaser leak.

[Iroscato]

Fuck, ninja'd
But yeah, this just looks better and better. Plus Batman won't look like a wanker when he's fighting, which is a bonus

[Batman]

Kryptonite has 'always' been on Earth in ridiculous quantities for something that's allegedly the remains of a planet that exploded lightyears away (leave alone in another galaxy)-if we take 'Smallville' as an example, Krypton wasn't a planet so much as a shaped charge squarely aimed at Kansas. I could live with some of it ending up on Earth somehow.

[Kojiro]

Ok that does look damn interesting. Pure comic book nerd porn there.

So it seems Wayne was in Metropolis when Zod fought Superman and it just so happens the building Zod let rip with his eye beams in was a Wayne building. Man of Steel leaving the building and new trailer leaving the building. So that's what starts off his beef with Supes. I guess the only answer for how he can run into that much dust and debris and come out clean as a whistle is because he's Batman.

Who are those SS looking guys wearing Superman's S though?

I'm going to guess that if Kryptonite isn't artificial (which is more plausible than this idea) that it's a salvaged fuel/power source from one of the downed alien ships. Safely contained while on their ships but inherently anti-Kryptonian. When all the Kryptonian matter was sucked in it got left behind so they knew it was special. Gathered up with any other remaining alien matter and they notice it seems to have an adverse effect on Zod. Either way I hope that's all of it there is (until they synthesize it).

[Enigma]

If somehow they do manage to synthesize it, it turns out flawed, with them being different colors and affect Kryptonians in different ways.

[GuppyShark]

I'd really rather that not be the case.

[Crown]

Who are those SS looking guys wearing Superman's S though?

I'm going to guess that if a Demigod appears on Earth (especially one that looks just like us), there will be many cults which would spring up to worship him.

Oh and, everyone else think that's Robin's suit with Joker's graffiti over it in the Batcave yeah?

[Gandalf]

Oh and, everyone else think that's Robin's suit with Joker's graffiti over it in the Batcave yeah?

Definitely. Given Snyder's taste for flashbacks, I'm thinking we'll see bits of Death in the Family, sans Iranian Ambassador Joker.

[Purple]

Oh and, everyone else think that's Robin's suit with Joker's graffiti over it in the Batcave yeah?

Definitely. Given Snyder's taste for flashbacks, I'm thinking we'll see bits of Death in the Family, sans Iranian Ambassador Joker.

Did I miss something? When did Robin die?

[Gandalf]

Here.

Given that BvS:DoJ looks to be massively influenced by Dark Knight Returns, which mention's Jason Todd's death, it would fit. Of course this is just fanboy speculation.

[SCRawl]

Did I miss something? When did Robin die?

In the comics, the "Death in the Family" arc describes this. It was in the late 1980s, when the second (and least popular) Robin, Jason Todd, was -- I'm not going to put in spoiler tags from 25 years ago -- killed by the Joker. The major (and, as far as I know, unique at the time) feature of that arc was the actual vote DC held to determine Robin's fate.

About the Snyder-verse, though, I don't believe that any back-story has yet been established for the Batman franchise characters.

[The Romulan Republic]

Well, its pretty clear that they're keeping the basic background of Batman the same. Rich, Gotham, white man (obviously), parents were shot in front of him in an alley when he was a child, has a helper named Alfred... But beyond that... yeah, I don't know.

I wonder if they'll give the Joker a clear backstory. Burton did. Nolan didn't.

[Gandalf]

One thing that puzzles me is the newspaper (0:56) which reads "Wayne Tower Devastated: Dozens Killed."

Assuming Wayne Tower was the one that split in two with the top half falling across the street, how is the death toll so low? Was it a bank holiday and nobody was around?