BREAKING NEWS ONLY

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-03-23 12:47am

jegs2 wrote:A soldier from the 101st, from an Engineer unit, is suspected of attacking the officer tents at the Division's camp in northern Kuwait. Prelimenary reports are that he has an Arabic last name and is a Moslem. One soldier has now died of his wounds. The soldier who unleashed the attack was shot in the leg and is now in custody. He will undergo trial by courts martial, and will likely either be put to death or spend the rest of his life at Fort Leavenworth.

Jesus, now thatssomething I lest expected! from within your own ranks? a traitor? shit..

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-03-23 12:50am

Anyone who's ever read the Koran should not be too surprised. Despite all of the politically correct bullshit you will hear about Islam being a religion of peace, its scriptures openly advocate Islamic collectivism and militarism. Islam considers itself a nation, over and above the borders of nation-states as we define them. In this traitor's mind, he was fighting for his true nation.

Or, as someone else once said, no man can serve two masters

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-23 12:57am

Darth Wong wrote:Anyone who's ever read the Koran should not be too surprised. Despite all of the politically correct bullshit you will hear about Islam being a religion of peace, its scriptures openly advocate Islamic collectivism and militarism. Islam considers itself a nation, over and above the borders of nation-states as we define them. In this traitor's mind, he was fighting for his true nation.

Or, as someone else once said, no man can serve two masters

Make that claim and they'll just pick out some passage that proves that Islam really is a religion of peace. I swear to nonexistent deity A, religious texts send more mixed messages than a freshman girl on prom night.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-03-23 12:58am

Darth Wong wrote:Anyone who's ever read the Koran should not be too surprised. Despite all of the politically correct bullshit you will hear about Islam being a religion of peace, its scriptures openly advocate Islamic collectivism and militarism. Islam considers itself a nation, over and above the borders of nation-states as we define them. In this traitor's mind, he was fighting for his true nation.

Or, as someone else once said, no man can serve two masters

Well this is true. Even though I am from NZ, to see a traitor in a democratic nations army is abit of a shock.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-03-23 01:01am

Durran Korr wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Anyone who's ever read the Koran should not be too surprised. Despite all of the politically correct bullshit you will hear about Islam being a religion of peace, its scriptures openly advocate Islamic collectivism and militarism. Islam considers itself a nation, over and above the borders of nation-states as we define them. In this traitor's mind, he was fighting for his true nation.

Or, as someone else once said, no man can serve two masters
Make that claim and they'll just pick out some passage that proves that Islam really is a religion of peace. I swear to nonexistent deity A, religious texts send more mixed messages than a freshman girl on prom night.

You took the wrong woman to the prom, then...

Anyway. I normally urge people not to leap on the first indication of a 'guilty party', but what I've heard from the grapevine is two grenades of the type used are missing from the guy. Well, I had expected some unconventional methods, and I suppose traitors count..

Sigh. I know some Islamics who aren't insane. And they get a bad name for this shit, same as the moderate Christians with the fundies, 'cept worse.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-03-23 01:52am

CNN has a live feed of a battle at Umm Qasr. American tanks are firing on what is believed to be an Iraqi tank. They have confirmed enemy fire on the tanks though.

In fact they just said a British team is trying to take care of the situation. Get'em boys!

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-23 02:03am

DG_Cal_Wright wrote:CNN has a live feed of a battle at Umm Qasr. American tanks are firing on what is believed to be an Iraqi tank. They have confirmed enemy fire on the tanks though.

In fact they just said a British team is trying to take care of the situation. Get'em boys!

I started watching the feed- apparently they've been sittin there, eating sand for two hours, doing absolutely nothing. Marines just sitting there watching.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-03-23 02:06am

Sea Skimmer wrote:101 Airborne has by hit with a terrorist attack at one of its bases in Kuwait. At least ten men are wounded

We know what happened now, but even if it wasn't a deranged soldier, attacking a purely military target isn't terrorism.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-23 02:12am

More on this 'battle'- the morons at Faux are calling this 'historic'. For some reason, watching a platoon of Marines eat dirt and not doing anything while a single tank mills back and forth, also doing nothing, while the reporter asks inane questions of a nearby marine:

"Who are they?"

"They're friendly forces"

Is not historic.

This reporting fucking sucks ass.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-03-23 02:35am

Vympel wrote:More on this 'battle'- the morons at Faux are calling this 'historic'. For some reason, watching a platoon of Marines eat dirt and not doing anything while a single tank mills back and forth, also doing nothing, while the reporter asks inane questions of a nearby marine:

"Who are they?"

"They're friendly forces"

Is not historic.

This reporting fucking sucks ass.

The tanks aren't doing nothing, they were firing on the Iraqi positions with machine guns. They also used the main guns a few times.

But other than that, yeah, the reporting does suck. The British reporter in the field is yammering on just to hear his voice, and the Fox military analysts are talking shit about the field reporter for being a pansy with a bottle of water and a British accent. And the anchorwoman is just sort of laughing and being useless.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2003-03-23 02:43am

US Patriot Missile battery took out RAF fighter.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-03-23 02:56am

Republic Guard Commander is reported to have surrendered.

Hey, they may be eating dirt, but as the former general stated twenty times in a row, they're not willing to trade lives for time. They're keeping them back to maintain no casualties.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2003-03-23 03:03am

Member of the 101st died.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-03-23 03:05am

An entire convoy held up for four fucking hours, while we watch Marines sitting there staring at a building.

If a dozen guys can hold up an entire convoy for so long this easily, how do they expect to take Baghdad?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-23 03:19am

DG_Cal_Wright wrote:Republic Guard Commander is reported to have surrendered.

Hey, they may be eating dirt, but as the former general stated twenty times in a row, they're not willing to trade lives for time. They're keeping them back to maintain no casualties.

So when the enemy doesn't budge, what are they going to do?

Patriot shot down a RAF fighter? WTF? Where was the IFF?!

Member of the 101st died.

Grenade attack by the berserker paratrooper?

Republic Guard Commander is reported to have surrendered.

I doubt it. They claimed the 51st had surrendered as well. This is all psywar BS. They haven't even come into contact with the RG yet.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2003-03-23 03:34am

Vympel wrote:Patriot shot down a RAF fighter? WTF? Where was the IFF?!
Member of the 101st died.
Grenade attack by the berserker paratrooper?

RAF fighter was over Kuwait, and one of the wounded died of wounds.

This is both according to the Hypocracy Channel, a.k.a. CNN.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-03-23 03:35am

BBC reports US/UK troops are fighting 120 Republican Guard plus an unknown number of Iraqi irregulars (my guess: out of uniform troops, or possibly secret police) in Umm Qasr. This battle has been going on since the beginning of the ground assault and contrary to earlier reports Umm Qasr is by no means under US control.

Correction: the irregulars were at Nasiriya, not Umm Qasr. Nasiriya has now been captured.

If the Iraqis put up this much resistance in every urban center this is going to be a long war.

Vympel wrote:More on this 'battle'- the morons at Faux are calling this 'historic'.

In a way they do have a point. It's the first war where video from the ground-forces front lines has been broadcast live. It's also the first imperial conquest of the 21st century, but that's a topic for another thread.

Update: Fighting in Umm Qasr is now street-to-street. Ugh.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-03-23 03:41am

Darth Wong wrote:An entire convoy held up for four fucking hours, while we watch Marines sitting there staring at a building.

If a dozen guys can hold up an entire convoy for so long this easily, how do they expect to take Baghdad?

A few guys being able to block a convoy or an advance isn't unheard of in military operations. They're probably waiting for the right equipment to take them out.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-03-23 04:02am

Ted wrote:US Patriot Missile battery took out RAF fighter.

Wow. America must have some right geniuses in its army shooting down a friendly plane with an anti-missile missile that doesn't even hit anything normally...

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-03-23 04:07am

Vympel wrote:I doubt it. They claimed the 51st had surrendered as well. This is all psywar BS. They haven't even come into contact with the RG yet.

Do you have a source that refutes the claim that the Iraqi 51st division surrendered as a whole?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-23 04:48am

Enlightenment wrote: Do you have a source that refutes the claim that the Iraqi 51st division surrendered as a whole?

One of the cable news networks- only the commander has surrendered, apparently.

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2003-03-23 05:34am

Has anyone been watching MSNBC? They're showing the FULL lenght SkyNews video of the Um Qsar fighting, and that sounds to me like they're doing some good fighting.

I would like to remenber that this is no fucking Hollywood movie, with actor, flahsy explosions, blanks and script. This is a real fucking war, with real fucking bullets and high-explosives. These are professionals, they know what they're doing, and the part where they're doing nothing is when they're waiting for being resupplied, AFTER the fighting.
Also, journalists aren't risking their life for an action shot, if they are filming the bad guys firing, that means they're being fired upon.

KhyronTheBackstabber · Post by **KhyronTheBackstabber** » 2003-03-23 05:40am

They're showing footage we didn't get to see, during the live feed, on MSNBC right now. The cameraman had a shoulder mount cam. There was a lot more then just dirt eating going on. Got to see the javelin launch.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-03-23 07:28am

Ted wrote:
Vympel wrote:Patriot shot down a RAF fighter? WTF? Where was the IFF?!
Member of the 101st died.
Grenade attack by the berserker paratrooper?
RAF fighter was over Kuwait, and one of the wounded died of wounds.

This is both according to the Hypocracy Channel, a.k.a. CNN.

To the best of my knowledge that has not been confirmed yet.

"Evidence is beginning to come to light that one of our aircraft returning from operations over Iraq last night may have been engaged by a U.S. Patriot missile battery," said Capt. Al Lockwood with the British Royal Air Force in Qatar.

They aren't making conclusions and neither should you.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/ ... index.html

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-03-23 07:29am

Crazy_Vasey wrote:
Ted wrote:US Patriot Missile battery took out RAF fighter.
Wow. America must have some right geniuses in its army shooting down a friendly plane with an anti-missile missile that doesn't even hit anything normally...

Actually the Patriot was initially designed as an AA weapon system. But the shooting down of a RAF plane has not been confirmed yet.......