6 stabbed at Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade by ultra-Orthodox

[The Grim Squeaker]

6 stabbed at Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade by ultra­Orthodox Jewish assailant
Suspect was convicted of attempted murder after stabbing three during 2005 Gay Pride Parade; he was recently released from
prison.
By Yair Ettinger, Yarden Skop and Chaim Levinson | Jul. 30, 2015 | 8:44 PM | 45

Six people were stabbed at Jerusalem's annual Gay Pride Parade on Thursday. The suspected attacker was identified as Yishai Schlissel, the same man behind the attack on the 2005 parade, recently released from prison.
One woman was critically wounded, Magen David Adom emergency services reported, adding that two men were moderately wounded, and
another two men and a woman suffered light wounds. Magen David Adom emergency services treated the victims on the scene, and then rushed
them to three different hospitals in Jerusalem.
Police confirmed that the suspected stabber is Schlissel, a Haredi man from Modiin Ilit who stabbed three participants in the 2005 Gay Pride march. He was recently released from prison after serving a 10­year sentence.
Thousands of people took part in the march, which was heavily secured by police. In the Keren Hayesod Street, a haredi man broke into the
crowd and stabbed several of the marchers. He was quickly wrestled down by police and arrested. Minutes after the stabbing, organizers and
police agreed the march will go on and terminate in the agreed upon location in Liberty Bell Park.
Schlissel was sentenced for 12 years in prison for the 2005 attack after his conviction on charges of attempted murder and aggravated assault. However, in 2007, following an appeal, the Supreme Court mitigated his sentence to 10 years.
After his release, Schlissel returned to his hometown, where residents said that he distributed hand­written pamphlets in which he called on "all
Jews faithful to God" to risk "beatings and imprisonment" for the sake of preventing the parade.
The Judea and Samaria Police District said after the attack that they were not supposed to track Schlissel after his release, even though he resides
in their jurisdiction, because his crime was perpetrated in the Jerusalem district.
Jerusalem District Police chief Moshe Edry said police didn't have concrete intelligence that Schlissel was in the area of the parade. "We were
prepared for every scenario, but our perimeter was breached. This is a severe, hard incident, which required us to investigate to find out what
fault cause this breach," he said.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the stabbing was a very serious event, and promised that the state will bring the full weight of the law
against the suspects.
"In the state of Israel the individual's freedom of choice is one of basic values. We must ensure that in Israel, every man and woman lives in
security in any way they choose. That's how we acted in the past and how we'll continue to act. I wish the wounded a speedy recovery," he said in a
statement.
Benzi Gopstein, chairman of the right­wing group Lehava, said that while activists from his organization staged a protest against the
"abomination parade," they "oppose the stabbing of Jews." He called on the police not to allow the parade to take place in Jerusalem again.
Police had granted a permit to 30 right­wing activists to protest against the event near the Great Synagogue, not far from the marchers.
Earlier on Thursday, Israel Police arrested right­wing extremist Baruch Marzel though they denied the arrest had anything to do with the city's
annual Gay Pride Parade. Marzel is a member of the far­right Otzma Yehudit party and usually takes part in the annual protest against the
parade.
Opposition leader Isaac Herzog called the stabbing a "heinous hate crime" and urged the police to allow gay pride events to go on. "Don’t give in
to the enemies of everything that's good and beautiful about Israel," he said in a Facebook message.
Education Minister and Habayit Hayehudi chairman Naftali Bennett called the stabbing a "moral crime that cannot be forgiven."
"Whoever did it harmed Jewish and moral values, and must be punished with the utmost severity. When events are clarified Israeli society must
do some soul searching to understand how it has come to this," Bennett said.
The Israeli National LGBT Task Force severely condemned the attack, saying that "they feel shocked that serious violent incidents such as this
still happen in Israel in 2015."
The Anti­Defamation League extended its solidarity with the LGBT community. "We are shocked and horrified by this heinous attack on a parade
that is widely attended and includes government representatives and political leaders," the organization said in a statement

Article link:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/1.668796


I was ~15 meters from it. Sad story, and I hope the victims pull through
(Lots of pictures in the article)

[wautd]

It would be nice if they dared to mention the word terrorist or terrorism

[The Romulan Republic]

A couple other things from the article I'd like to comment on:

1.

Benzi Gopstein, chairman of the right­wing group Lehava, said that while activists from his organization staged a protest against the
"abomination parade," they "oppose the stabbing of Jews."

Don't you just love this? As if its all okay if non-Jews are stabbed.

2.

Minutes after the stabbing, organizers and
police agreed the march will go on and terminate in the agreed upon location in Liberty Bell Park.

This takes balls, but I applaud them for not allowing fear to end the event. Some things are more important than security.

I too hope for a full recovery for the victims. And that the scum who did this doesn't get out again this time.

[Flagg]

So when will the IDF be "mowing the lawn" of Orthodox Jews to keep their terrorist population in check? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

[Grumman]

So when will the IDF be "mowing the lawn" of Orthodox Jews to keep their terrorist population in check?

I imagine they will start when the ultra-Orthodox Jews begin their campaign of artillery bombardment against Israel. They may all be bigoted parasites but even you should be able to tell the difference between one fuckhead with a knife and over 14,000 rocket and mortar attacks in the past ten years.

[Broomstick]

Well, since 10 years in jail did not teach the one rabid ultra-orthodox that he shouldn't stab people perhaps a more permanent incarceration should be considered.

[General Zod]

You can't really be shocked when their barbaric moral code encourages things like stoning women who aren't virgins when they get married and forcing rape victims to marry their rapist.

[Flagg]

So when will the IDF be "mowing the lawn" of Orthodox Jews to keep their terrorist population in check?

I imagine they will start when the ultra-Orthodox Jews begin their campaign of artillery bombardment against Israel. They may all be bigoted parasites but even you should be able to tell the difference between one fuckhead with a knife and over 14,000 rocket and mortar attacks in the past ten years.

Yeah, aren't the ultra-orthodox twats the ones pushing for settlement expansion? And how many dead Israeli civilians were the result of the bottle rocket attacks? I bet it's far less than the Israeli tanks and jets do when the untermenschen Palestinians take issue with and throw rocks at armored vehicles when more of their land is stolen to build settlements for Zionist cocksuckers.

[Ace Pace]

Yeah, aren't the ultra-orthodox twats the ones pushing for settlement expansion? And how many dead Israeli civilians were the result of the bottle rocket attacks? I bet it's far less than the Israeli tanks and jets do when the untermenschen Palestinians take issue with and throw rocks at armored vehicles when more of their land is stolen to build settlements for Zionist cocksuckers.

You're the worst kind of idiot. The kind who doesn't do research.
The Ultra-Orthodox don't care about settlements nor about relations with the Palestinians. The Ultra-Orthodox care about one thing which is being left alone to study religious texts while leeching off society and living in their own self-built ghettos.

[Flagg]

Yeah, aren't the ultra-orthodox twats the ones pushing for settlement expansion? And how many dead Israeli civilians were the result of the bottle rocket attacks? I bet it's far less than the Israeli tanks and jets do when the untermenschen Palestinians take issue with and throw rocks at armored vehicles when more of their land is stolen to build settlements for Zionist cocksuckers.

You're the worst kind of idiot. The kind who doesn't do research.
The Ultra-Orthodox don't care about settlements nor about relations with the Palestinians. The Ultra-Orthodox care about one thing which is being left alone to study religious texts while leeching off society and living in their own self-built ghettos.

Then a mea culpa would be in order. If I hadn't been asking a question.

[Alyrium Denryle]

So when will the IDF be "mowing the lawn" of Orthodox Jews to keep their terrorist population in check?

I imagine they will start when the ultra-Orthodox Jews begin their campaign of artillery bombardment against Israel. They may all be bigoted parasites but even you should be able to tell the difference between one fuckhead with a knife and over 14,000 rocket and mortar attacks in the past ten years.

Yeah, aren't the ultra-orthodox twats the ones pushing for settlement expansion? And how many dead Israeli civilians were the result of the bottle rocket attacks? I bet it's far less than the Israeli tanks and jets do when the untermenschen Palestinians take issue with and throw rocks at armored vehicles when more of their land is stolen to build settlements for Zionist cocksuckers.

Zionists are a mix of secular and religious ultranationalists (read: Fascists), and while they tend to create tensions with the palestinians, dont characterize Hamas' actions as a response to settlers. They are not. Israel could swear off settlement tomorrow and enforce that with an iron fist, and Hamas would still launch rockets etc.

Dont get me wrong. Those settlements are illegal, and collective punishment is illegal under the geneva conventions. But they have nothing to do with the actions of Hamas.

[Simon_Jester]

Hamas's main territory, the Gaza Strip, was already vacated of settlers in 2005. In some cases, the settlers were marched out at gunpoint by the Israeli army.

Indeed, the entire point of the Israeli policy in the Gaza Strip started with "give the Palestinians a specific territory that they are not actively being pushed out of, stand back and see what happens."

Unfortunately, it turned out that the answer was "the more violently inclined of the Palestinian political movements stages a coup, takes over the new territory, and starts lobbing thousands of rockets at us literally as fast and as big as they can build, buy, beg, borrow, or steal them."
...

Please note that none of this should be interpreted to mean that I think well of the ultra-Orthodox fanatics. If the ultra-Orthodox menfolk decided to go play hopscotch in a minefield I would not mourn excessively.

I would say the same of the Israeli settlers, except for one thing. By their decision to settle in such an unsafe place, and to forcibly dispossess a numerous and increasingly angry people of all that they have, the Israeli settlers are already playing hopscotch in a minefield. It is pure luck, not of their doing and not particularly deserved, if this minefield has not gone 'boom.'

You can't really be shocked when their barbaric moral code encourages things like stoning women who aren't virgins when they get married and forcing rape victims to marry their rapist.

I disagree. I can certainly be shocked.

I cannot, however, be surprised.

[Flagg]

I imagine they will start when the ultra-Orthodox Jews begin their campaign of artillery bombardment against Israel. They may all be bigoted parasites but even you should be able to tell the difference between one fuckhead with a knife and over 14,000 rocket and mortar attacks in the past ten years.

Yeah, aren't the ultra-orthodox twats the ones pushing for settlement expansion? And how many dead Israeli civilians were the result of the bottle rocket attacks? I bet it's far less than the Israeli tanks and jets do when the untermenschen Palestinians take issue with and throw rocks at armored vehicles when more of their land is stolen to build settlements for Zionist cocksuckers.

Zionists are a mix of secular and religious ultranationalists (read: Fascists), and while they tend to create tensions with the palestinians, dont characterize Hamas' actions as a response to settlers. They are not. Israel could swear off settlement tomorrow and enforce that with an iron fist, and Hamas would still launch rockets etc.

Dont get me wrong. Those settlements are illegal, and collective punishment is illegal under the geneva conventions. But they have nothing to do with the actions of Hamas.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[Ultonius]

BBC:

Jerusalem Gay Pride: Israel teenage stabbing victim dies

A teenage girl who was stabbed at a Gay Pride march in Jerusalem has died from her wounds, doctors say.

Shira Banki, 16, was one of six people attacked at the event on Thursday.

Yishai Schlissel, an ultra-Orthodox Jew, who carried out a similar attack in 2005, was arrested at the scene.

Israel's government would have "zero tolerance" for Jewish extremists, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said at a security cabinet meeting on Sunday.

His comments also followed a separate attack in which an 18-month old Palestinian child died when his West Bank home was firebombed by suspected Jewish settlers.

The cabinet approved new measures to tackle ultra-nationalist violence against Palestinians, including detention without trial of Israelis.

The policy of detention without trial has long been used against Palestinians, but observers believe it has rarely been used against Israelis.

No arrests have been made so far in the case.
'End the violence'

Hours after Shira Banki died, a vigil was held for her near the place she was stabbed, attended by hundreds of mourners - among them school friends, teachers, members of the gay community and supporters.

Dramatic images of Thursday's attack in Jerusalem showed the suspect reaching inside his coat and raising a knife above his head.

He then began stabbing marchers while screaming, before being tackled by a police officer.

'We marched through blood'

The parade continued after the wounded were taken to hospital, with protesters chanting "end the violence".

Prime Minister Netanyahu condemned the attack as "a most serious incident".

The Gay Pride event has long been a source of tension between Jerusalem's secular majority and its Jewish Orthodox communities.

Perhaps while he's in prison Mr Schlissel should try re-reading the Torah, in particular one commandment that I believe reads 'Lo tirtzach': 'Do not murder'.

[Metahive]

This was neither a crime of passion nor the first time Schlissel went stabbety-stab on a pride parade, so I presume he already rationalized the murder attempts. Probably something like "I'm doing the work of Ha'shem" or something, after all, there's plenty of god-instructed murder of "sinners" and "evil-doers" in the Tanakh.

That's why I always laugh when some Godbot tries to impress me with the Moral Argument for God ("if there was no god, there would be no morals"), as long as any god isn't visibly and strictly enforcing his rules, believers bend them however they want, and the Haredi are certainly no strangers to that.

[General Zod]

The moral argument is a Christian argument, as far as I know. Ultra Orthodox Jews don't even try to rationalize their interpretations in the same way. So it's not like they see it as God is absent, they literally think they're doing God's work since the people they're killing aren't God's chosen. OT God was pretty big on wanton murder of non Jews.

[Channel72]

Nice to see old school Roman-era Jewish Zealot terrorism is coming back in style. The old stab random dude in crowd to make a political statement.... classic. I obviously expect the Haredi to be deemed a terrorist organization by the Pentagon, and promptly droned.

Just kidding, everyone knows drones don't work on Israelis.

[Metahive]

The moral argument is a Christian argument, as far as I know. Ultra Orthodox Jews don't even try to rationalize their interpretations in the same way. So it's not like they see it as God is absent, they literally think they're doing God's work since the people they're killing aren't God's chosen. OT God was pretty big on wanton murder of non Jews.

Schlissel probably labeled his victims Amalekites. After all, God gave the Hebrews an eternal genocide order on the Amalekites (because they ambushed the Hebrews once, so every man, woman and child of that tribe must die) and the more extremist Jews have been quick to label everyone who vexes them so, from Titus to Hitler to the Palestinians and maybe even Yithzak Rabin.

As for rationalizations...the Haredi are actually quite infamous for it and their constant struggle to violate the spirit of the law with its letter (see "kindling fires on the Sabbath").

[eyl]

You can't really be shocked when their barbaric moral code encourages things like stoning women who aren't virgins when they get married and forcing rape victims to marry their rapist.

A week after Yishai Shlissel stabbed six people at the Jerusalem pride parade, murdering 16-year-old Shira Banki, posters hung in the city reflected a range of reactions among the haredi population.

Posters seen on Wednesday and signed by a group calling itself "The Faithful Jewry" praised the killer, in one case drawing a connection to the biblical tale of Phineas, who personally executed the leader of the tribe of Simeon for having sexual relations with a Midianite woman. The posters, which were found in haredi neighborhoods in the capital, portrayed Shlissel as a messenger of the people and of God.

On Thursday, however, posters appeared condemning the violence, which were signed by a different group calling itself "The Faithful Jewry". It said it "condemned with disgust the brutal act and the terrible murder committed by Y. S. last Thursday in the holy city of Jerusalem, using the excuse of a holy war… This is the place to clarify in no uncertain terms: Haredi Jewry had no part in the terrible deed, and it disavows this evil and its deviant supporters, who bring great destruction upon us."

In an interview with Ynet, group members said they did not "oppose legitimate protest" against the pride parade, but within reasonable limits.

Yehiel Vaknin, among those protesting Shlissel's deed, said he and his friends want to give a voice to the "silent majority", as they say, "that entirely condemns the murder, and is deeply shocked by it. Whoever hung the posters at Mea Shearim does not represent the absolute majority of the haredi public."

On Wednesday, the Jerusalem Magistrate's Court ordered Shlissel to undergopsychiatric evaluation. The evaluation will determine whether Shlissel, who is also suspected of five attempted murders, is fit to stand trial and whether he was responsible for his actions while stabbing the marchers at the pride parade.

Source

[Flagg]

You can't really be shocked when their barbaric moral code encourages things like stoning women who aren't virgins when they get married and forcing rape victims to marry their rapist.

A week after Yishai Shlissel stabbed six people at the Jerusalem pride parade, murdering 16-year-old Shira Banki, posters hung in the city reflected a range of reactions among the haredi population.

Posters seen on Wednesday and signed by a group calling itself "The Faithful Jewry" praised the killer, in one case drawing a connection to the biblical tale of Phineas, who personally executed the leader of the tribe of Simeon for having sexual relations with a Midianite woman. The posters, which were found in haredi neighborhoods in the capital, portrayed Shlissel as a messenger of the people and of God.

On Thursday, however, posters appeared condemning the violence, which were signed by a different group calling itself "The Faithful Jewry". It said it "condemned with disgust the brutal act and the terrible murder committed by Y. S. last Thursday in the holy city of Jerusalem, using the excuse of a holy war… This is the place to clarify in no uncertain terms: Haredi Jewry had no part in the terrible deed, and it disavows this evil and its deviant supporters, who bring great destruction upon us."

In an interview with Ynet, group members said they did not "oppose legitimate protest" against the pride parade, but within reasonable limits.

Yehiel Vaknin, among those protesting Shlissel's deed, said he and his friends want to give a voice to the "silent majority", as they say, "that entirely condemns the murder, and is deeply shocked by it. Whoever hung the posters at Mea Shearim does not represent the absolute majority of the haredi public."

On Wednesday, the Jerusalem Magistrate's Court ordered Shlissel to undergopsychiatric evaluation. The evaluation will determine whether Shlissel, who is also suspected of five attempted murders, is fit to stand trial and whether he was responsible for his actions while stabbing the marchers at the pride parade.

Source

Is this supposed to counter what he said? Because it kind of reinforces it when posters praising the asshole for murdering an innocent 16 year old girl at a parade with Bronze Age bullshit excuses to be followed by posters trying to condemn the murderer in classic no true Scotsman "he can't be one of us since real Haredi Jews..." bullshit in full force doing PR damage control.

If you were just backing up what Zod said, then I apologize for my confusion, but there's no defense for this shit unless he was already bonkers and I would assume bonkers Jewish guy found the only people close to being as batshit crazy as he is in bonkers Jewish sect.

[eyl]

Is this supposed to counter what he said? Because it kind of reinforces it when posters praising the asshole for murdering an innocent 16 year old girl at a parade with Bronze Age bullshit excuses to be followed by posters trying to condemn the murderer in classic no true Scotsman "he can't be one of us since real Haredi Jews..." bullshit in full force doing PR damage control.

If you were just backing up what Zod said, then I apologize for my confusion, but there's no defense for this shit unless he was already bonkers and I would assume bonkers Jewish guy found the only people close to being as batshit crazy as he is in bonkers Jewish sect.

It's to point out that contrary to some of the posts in this thread which are tarring the haredim with a very wide brush, some of them support this asshole and many don't.

Is the stabber a "real" haredi? Yes.

Do all the haredim subscribe to the same belief system or approve of his actions? (as e.g. Zod's description of their moral code*) Not in the least.


*Incidently, I'd be curious to see someone find some (significant) modern-day ultra-orthodox figures advocating e.g. stoning non-virgin brides.

[Flagg]

Is this supposed to counter what he said? Because it kind of reinforces it when posters praising the asshole for murdering an innocent 16 year old girl at a parade with Bronze Age bullshit excuses to be followed by posters trying to condemn the murderer in classic no true Scotsman "he can't be one of us since real Haredi Jews..." bullshit in full force doing PR damage control.

If you were just backing up what Zod said, then I apologize for my confusion, but there's no defense for this shit unless he was already bonkers and I would assume bonkers Jewish guy found the only people close to being as batshit crazy as he is in bonkers Jewish sect.

It's to point out that contrary to some of the posts in this thread which are tarring the haredim with a very wide brush, some of them support this asshole and many don't.

Is the stabber a "real" haredi? Yes.

Do all the haredim subscribe to the same belief system or approve of his actions? (as e.g. Zod's description of their moral code*) Not in the least.


*Incidently, I'd be curious to see someone find some (significant) modern-day ultra-orthodox figures advocating e.g. stoning non-virgin brides.

Well, if a good many of them take no issue with a lunatic slashing and stabbing people at a gay pride event which resulted in a dead teenage girl, that's not a huge leap to advocating for stonings of non-virgin brides and female rape victims who do not scream loud enough when raped so someone could hear and then refuses to marry him.

[General Zod]

Is this supposed to counter what he said? Because it kind of reinforces it when posters praising the asshole for murdering an innocent 16 year old girl at a parade with Bronze Age bullshit excuses to be followed by posters trying to condemn the murderer in classic no true Scotsman "he can't be one of us since real Haredi Jews..." bullshit in full force doing PR damage control.

If you were just backing up what Zod said, then I apologize for my confusion, but there's no defense for this shit unless he was already bonkers and I would assume bonkers Jewish guy found the only people close to being as batshit crazy as he is in bonkers Jewish sect.

It's to point out that contrary to some of the posts in this thread which are tarring the haredim with a very wide brush, some of them support this asshole and many don't.

Is the stabber a "real" haredi? Yes.

Do all the haredim subscribe to the same belief system or approve of his actions? (as e.g. Zod's description of their moral code*) Not in the least.


*Incidently, I'd be curious to see someone find some (significant) modern-day ultra-orthodox figures advocating e.g. stoning non-virgin brides.

My point wasn't painting all of them with the same brush. My point was that if you're going to follow a moral code that includes things like murdering people for having premarital sex, maybe you shouldn't be shocked when some mentally unhinged sociopath decides that following your moral code to the letter is a good idea. I don't really give a shit that not everyone supports his actions when the law itself is the problem.

[Highlord Laan]

Yehiel Vaknin, among those protesting Shlissel's deed, said he and his friends want to give a voice to the "silent majority", as they say, "that entirely condemns the murder, and is deeply shocked by it. Whoever hung the posters at Mea Shearim does not represent the absolute majority of the haredi public."

"Silent majorities" are so pathetic they're below contempt. They represent nothing, are worth nothing and believe in noting. Why? Because they're fucking silent.

"The silent majority condemns this murder" is nothing but empty hot air and worthless words. They will do nothing to fix their problem, nothing to change people's perspectives, nothing to improve the lot of anyone, and nothing to silence the vile bronze-age fundamentalists that cower behind their shield of religion. They can either step up and try changing their society for the better, or shut the fuck up and get out of the way when a hammer comes down. Silence equals complicity.

[eyl]

Is this supposed to counter what he said? Because it kind of reinforces it when posters praising the asshole for murdering an innocent 16 year old girl at a parade with Bronze Age bullshit excuses to be followed by posters trying to condemn the murderer in classic no true Scotsman "he can't be one of us since real Haredi Jews..." bullshit in full force doing PR damage control.

If you were just backing up what Zod said, then I apologize for my confusion, but there's no defense for this shit unless he was already bonkers and I would assume bonkers Jewish guy found the only people close to being as batshit crazy as he is in bonkers Jewish sect.

It's to point out that contrary to some of the posts in this thread which are tarring the haredim with a very wide brush, some of them support this asshole and many don't.

Is the stabber a "real" haredi? Yes.

Do all the haredim subscribe to the same belief system or approve of his actions? (as e.g. Zod's description of their moral code*) Not in the least.


*Incidently, I'd be curious to see someone find some (significant) modern-day ultra-orthodox figures advocating e.g. stoning non-virgin brides.

My point wasn't painting all of them with the same brush. My point was that if you're going to follow a moral code that includes things like murdering people for having premarital sex, maybe you shouldn't be shocked when some mentally unhinged sociopath decides that following your moral code to the letter is a good idea. I don't really give a shit that not everyone supports his actions when the law itself is the problem.

Do you have any idea what it takes to actually condemn someone to death under halacha?