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You can find the video if you look online I won't link it here as it is NSFW and potentially not safe for pretty much anyone as it is graphic video of two people lives ending.

News report WDBJ 7 report
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Two WDBJ7 employees were killed Wednesday morning in an attack at Bridgewater Plaza.
More from WDBJ7.com

This happened during a live broadcast around 6:45 a.m.

Police are looking for a suspect who apparently opened fire on WDBJ7 photographer Adam Ward and WDBJ7 reporter Alison Parker.

Vicki Gardner of the Smith Mountain Lake Regional Chamber of Commerce was also injured in the shooting. She is in surgery.

Adam was 27-years-old. Alison just turned 24.

Both were from the WDBJ7 viewing area.

Adam graduated from Salem High School and Virginia Tech.

Alison grew up in Martinsville and attended Patrick Henry Community College and James Madison University.


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Law enforcement is on scene following an incident at Bridgewater Plaza.

The incident happened during a WDBJ7 live report.

Deputies from Franklin County and Bedford County are on scene.

Bridgewater Plaza is on Smith Mountain Lake.
There are several elements of sick Irony to this case including the fact the Cameraman was engaged to a producer at the station and they were two minutes from cutting the report and the two of them heading off to a party. The fact the news report was about how safe Moneta is (It has half the national crime rate) and enjoying the weather there. There is an all hands manhunt going on in the area now for the shooter and the county is pretty much in lockdown.

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The killer is most likely their co-worker, Bryce Williams. He tweeted POV footage of the murder.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... -cameraman

Shooter apparently fled police until his car crashed, then shot himself - he's alive (in critical condition).
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Saw the video. Nothing gory thankfully, but really creepy nonetheless. The news anchor's face speaks volumes when the studio kills the live feed.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/26/us/virgin ... index.html

He was an ex reporter that was fired from the station two years ago. Someone using the shooters on air name sent a manifesto:
The network posted a short story reporting some of the manifesto's contents. They show Flanagan alleging that he had been the victim of bullying and discrimination because he is gay and black.

He also said that he was compelled to respond to Dylann Roof's massacre at a Charleston, South Carolina, church in June and he was inspired by Seung Hui Cho, who orchestrated the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007.

"You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE ...(deleted)!!!" ABC quoted from the manifesto.
If that's legit, we have a hate crime on our hands. I hope it's a hoax.

I wonder if these particular channel employees were a problem for him or if they were just the random ones he could get easy access to.
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Shooter is dead.

Damn, and it was live. Not anyway for someone to see their loved one go. The POV cam showed the guy holding the gun out without the trio noticing he was brandishing it, and he waited till the camera was right on the reporter before shooting.
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Facebook and Google have removed the uploaded POV video, as per requested by the deceased's families.
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How Americans think more guns will stop this kinda thing I do not know.
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The Xeelee wrote:How Americans think more guns will stop this kinda thing I do not know.
We can not possibly assign a U.S. Army infantry security detail to protect every American. So all we can do is rely on ourselves.
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amigocabal wrote:
The Xeelee wrote:How Americans think more guns will stop this kinda thing I do not know.
We can not possibly assign a U.S. Army infantry security detail to protect every American. So all we can do is rely on ourselves.
Or you could de-escalate the situation by slowly getting weapons - handguns especially - off the streets, winding down the war on drugs, and actually dealing with the issues that cause violence instead of attacking the symptoms. Instead we get idiots like you voting tough on crime and clutching their guns.
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amigocabal wrote:
The Xeelee wrote:How Americans think more guns will stop this kinda thing I do not know.
We can not possibly assign a U.S. Army infantry security detail to protect every American. So all we can do is rely on ourselves.
What percent of mass shootings have been stopped by "a good guy with a gun"?
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Napoleon the Clown wrote:
amigocabal wrote:
The Xeelee wrote:How Americans think more guns will stop this kinda thing I do not know.
We can not possibly assign a U.S. Army infantry security detail to protect every American. So all we can do is rely on ourselves.
What percent of mass shootings have been stopped by "a good guy with a gun"?
Hard to know. The definition of mass shooting depends on the number of people shot, so if it's stopped before the break point is hit, it's not a "mass shooting", in which case it doesn't count as a "mass shooting stopped by a good guy with a gun".
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There must be statistics on whether or not they were targeting a specific person or firing openly, that way you can have a good idea of the number that would have become mass shootings.
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The Xeelee wrote:There must be statistics on whether or not they were targeting a specific person or firing openly, that way you can have a good idea of the number that would have become mass shootings.
It is seldom that clear cut. The Columbine shooters were targeting specific people but they also planed to blow up an entire cafeteria worth of students with pipe bombs. Which category would they fit into had they been stopped after only killing a few jocks?
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Beowulf wrote:
Napoleon the Clown wrote:What percent of mass shootings have been stopped by "a good guy with a gun"?
Hard to know. The definition of mass shooting depends on the number of people shot, so if it's stopped before the break point is hit, it's not a "mass shooting", in which case it doesn't count as a "mass shooting stopped by a good guy with a gun".
We could even expand to "What percent of all shootings are stopped by a good guy with a gun?"

Gotta exclude shootings stopped by LEOs, though. The good guy with a gun line means random guy on the street, not cop.
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I'd love to see a study focused around how much of a difference carrying a weapon versus not carrying a gun affects your safety in the US. I'd also like to see how carrying a gun changes things compared to things like overall crime rate, economic status, physical fitness, and projected confidence.
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Confidence gained from carrying a firearm doesn't sound like the kind of confidence people should have.
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Sgt_Artyom wrote:Confidence gained from carrying a firearm doesn't sound like the kind of confidence people should have.
I'm confused as to who or what this post is referring to. Nobody in this thread has said anything about carrying a weapon giving them increased confidence.
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Jub wrote:
amigocabal wrote:
The Xeelee wrote:How Americans think more guns will stop this kinda thing I do not know.
We can not possibly assign a U.S. Army infantry security detail to protect every American. So all we can do is rely on ourselves.
Or you could de-escalate the situation by slowly getting weapons - handguns especially - off the streets, winding down the war on drugs, and actually dealing with the issues that cause violence instead of attacking the symptoms. Instead we get idiots like you voting tough on crime and clutching their guns.
So, what are these issues that are causing violence?
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Economic stress and crowding come to mind.
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Jub wrote:
Sgt_Artyom wrote:Confidence gained from carrying a firearm doesn't sound like the kind of confidence people should have.
I'm confused as to who or what this post is referring to. Nobody in this thread has said anything about carrying a weapon giving them increased confidence.
You did, in the post immediately above:
Jub wrote:I'd also like to see how carrying a gun changes things compared to things like overall crime rate, economic status, physical fitness, and projected confidence.
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amigocabal wrote:So, what are these issues that are causing violence?
Broomstick got to two of them above, but I'll elaborate.

Economic stress, chiefly the lack of (or perceived lack of) careers and upwards mobility. People don't generally join gangs and sell drugs when they aren't in dire economic straits and these professions tend to breed violence and crime. So ensuring that the lowest classes and poorest sections of cities have enough to go around through job creation or social programs will decrease crime rates.

Crowding is another factor. When you pack people, especially the poor, into the projects it leads to crime. I'm not 100% sure why this causes crime, but you'll notice that population density is a major factor in determining crime rates in US cities.

Lack of social services, this is touched on in the economic section, but there are other factors. Things like affordable health care and access to mental health services will mean that people don't go bankrupt and end up in the lowest economic circles. You can also look at other nations with comparable population densities but with better social safety nets and see this factor in action.
You did, in the post immediately above:
I just had my roommate read it and he got the point I was trying to make right away. I also question how you related carrying a gun to physical fitness and economic status...

What I want to see is how large - if any - the increase in safety when carrying a gun is compared to a baseline level of safety when not carrying a weapon. Some factors that are unrelated to carrying a weapon which may be relevant to safety for the purposes of such a study may include: economic status, the crime rate of the area you live in, physical fitness, sex, time of day, projected confidence, the ability to stay calm under stress, and other factors that I have omitted for brevity.
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Jub wrote:Economic stress, chiefly the lack of (or perceived lack of) careers and upwards mobility. People don't generally join gangs and sell drugs when they aren't in dire economic straits and these professions tend to breed violence and crime. So ensuring that the lowest classes and poorest sections of cities have enough to go around through job creation or social programs will decrease crime rates.

Crowding is another factor. When you pack people, especially the poor, into the projects it leads to crime. I'm not 100% sure why this causes crime, but you'll notice that population density is a major factor in determining crime rates in US cities.
This is solely my opinion, but based on living in the 2nd/3rd largest city in the US for 15 years:

You can jam rich people in tiny shoeboxes in great density, too, but they don't start shooting each other the way poor folks do in similar densities. Here's why I think there's a difference:

1) Rich people can get the hell away from other people when they need to. Neighbors driving you crazy? Feeling stressed out? Just need some space or to look at something different? Rich people can go on vacation, even if only for a weekend get-away. Poor people can't afford to do that. The closest they can come is maybe going to visit the relatives, likely to be just as overcrowded.

2) Rich people have climate control. Crime rates go up in the summer, especially when it gets hot. Rich people don't have to get hot. In the old days they would leave the city during the heat and go someplace cooler, a summer house or cabin. They could purchase ice. These days, they invariably have air conditioning. Poor people just stay hot, they don't sleep well, they wind up chronically tired, and they get irritable. Likewise, they don't have to suffer the cold in winter. Poor people tend to live in more poorly insulated homes, might skimp on heat to save money, and so forth. If things are really bad they might be without heat in the winter. That, too, is a form of stress.

3) Rich people can pay for exterminators. Poor people are much more likely to be dealing with bug and rodent infestations on an on-going basis. Even if one family can eradicate the pests their home will just be reinfected by the neighbors' supply of vermin. You don't sleep particuarly well if critters are running across your blankets at night.

4) Rich people can afford more convenience/creature comfort. Especially tired after work one night? If you're wealthy you can go out to restaurant or order take-out. If you're really wealthy you can even have your own chef. Poor people still have to cook, or at least prepare food. Well, OK, maybe just open a bag of chips and dip, but that's nowhere near as satisfying as having a well-prepared meal. Rich people have appliances in good repair, poor people either don't have them, or are more likely to have them second-hand, or with jury-rigged repairs, or only half-functioning but kept because of the cost of replacement. Rich people have softer bed linens and towels, nicer furniture that isn't repaired with duct tape or propped up with bits of wood or brick under a busted leg. If something goes wrong in a rich residence - a pipe breaks, a switch stops working, the ceiling leaks, whatever - it gets fixed immediately. Poor people have fewer resources so maybe they can't afford an immediate fix, or can't get the landlord to act on the problem, and often have to put up with a problem or a jury-rigged solution indefinitely. The rich might not have any more space, but it's a lot nicer space.

5) The neighbors of the rich are different than the neighbors of the poor. Batshit crazy people don't usually live next to rich people, they live in the poor neighborhood. Criminals wind up in the poor neighborhood, especially if they're the violent sort. Rich people don't have to live next to the dregs of society, the grossly dysfunctional, the barking screaming mad people. No... those sorts live in the ghetto, next to the poor folks.

The result is that while the rich might be crowded they still have a materially comfortable environment and considerable control over where they live, and they can always take a break from the city. The poor are less comfortable, have little control (they might be stuck due to housing subsidy rules, or cost of rent, or subjected to an abusive or neglectful landlord), and are not able to take a break.

Which group do you think is more stressed out and more likely to act out?
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Broomstick wrote: 5) The neighbors of the rich are different than the neighbors of the poor. Batshit crazy people don't usually live next to rich people, they live in the poor neighborhood. Criminals wind up in the poor neighborhood, especially if they're the violent sort. Rich people don't have to live next to the dregs of society, the grossly dysfunctional, the barking screaming mad people. No... those sorts live in the ghetto, next to the poor folks.
I think this might be the most important one, but I would broaden it to say that the wealthy generally have better ability to self-regulate their neighbors. They can call the cops, housing association, landlord, leave the area, etc. which are all options often not available in poorer areas. I'll freely admit I've never lived in a truly poor area, but in the military having a shipmate who never showered was pretty bad in an enclosed space. But just knowing and being confident that the situation was being taken care of made it less stressful even while the problem was ongoing.

I wonder if this might be why some ghettos did better than others, ability for the community to self regulate and either correct or remove problem residents.
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Broomstick wrote:This is solely my opinion, but based on living in the 2nd/3rd largest city in the US for 15 years:

You can jam rich people in tiny shoeboxes in great density, too, but they don't start shooting each other the way poor folks do in similar densities. Here's why I think there's a difference:

1) Rich people can get the hell away from other people when they need to. Neighbors driving you crazy? Feeling stressed out? Just need some space or to look at something different? Rich people can go on vacation, even if only for a weekend get-away. Poor people can't afford to do that. The closest they can come is maybe going to visit the relatives, likely to be just as overcrowded.

2) Rich people have climate control. Crime rates go up in the summer, especially when it gets hot. Rich people don't have to get hot. In the old days they would leave the city during the heat and go someplace cooler, a summer house or cabin. They could purchase ice. These days, they invariably have air conditioning. Poor people just stay hot, they don't sleep well, they wind up chronically tired, and they get irritable. Likewise, they don't have to suffer the cold in winter. Poor people tend to live in more poorly insulated homes, might skimp on heat to save money, and so forth. If things are really bad they might be without heat in the winter. That, too, is a form of stress.

3) Rich people can pay for exterminators. Poor people are much more likely to be dealing with bug and rodent infestations on an on-going basis. Even if one family can eradicate the pests their home will just be reinfected by the neighbors' supply of vermin. You don't sleep particuarly well if critters are running across your blankets at night.

4) Rich people can afford more convenience/creature comfort. Especially tired after work one night? If you're wealthy you can go out to restaurant or order take-out. If you're really wealthy you can even have your own chef. Poor people still have to cook, or at least prepare food. Well, OK, maybe just open a bag of chips and dip, but that's nowhere near as satisfying as having a well-prepared meal. Rich people have appliances in good repair, poor people either don't have them, or are more likely to have them second-hand, or with jury-rigged repairs, or only half-functioning but kept because of the cost of replacement. Rich people have softer bed linens and towels, nicer furniture that isn't repaired with duct tape or propped up with bits of wood or brick under a busted leg. If something goes wrong in a rich residence - a pipe breaks, a switch stops working, the ceiling leaks, whatever - it gets fixed immediately. Poor people have fewer resources so maybe they can't afford an immediate fix, or can't get the landlord to act on the problem, and often have to put up with a problem or a jury-rigged solution indefinitely. The rich might not have any more space, but it's a lot nicer space.

5) The neighbors of the rich are different than the neighbors of the poor. Batshit crazy people don't usually live next to rich people, they live in the poor neighborhood. Criminals wind up in the poor neighborhood, especially if they're the violent sort. Rich people don't have to live next to the dregs of society, the grossly dysfunctional, the barking screaming mad people. No... those sorts live in the ghetto, next to the poor folks.

The result is that while the rich might be crowded they still have a materially comfortable environment and considerable control over where they live, and they can always take a break from the city. The poor are less comfortable, have little control (they might be stuck due to housing subsidy rules, or cost of rent, or subjected to an abusive or neglectful landlord), and are not able to take a break.

Which group do you think is more stressed out and more likely to act out?
Those sound like good reasons to me. Of course I wouldn't know, the largest city I've ever lived in has a population of ~175,000 (metro) with a density of 553.8/km2 core and 62/km2 metro. I've never really known the press of a large city and there are parks, a large lake, mountains to hike and even if I don't always do these things being able to see nature from anywhere in the city is a real stress reliever.
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