New GIANT starship comparison sheet BIG!

[Crossroads Inc.]

Soon the ever unending quest for awesome spaceships, I came across this:



NOTE for those that want to see the "Full size" mega pic:
http://orig00.deviantart.net/55c9/f/201 ... 8kzf7m.png

WARNING It's 5000 by 5500 pixels, BIG

[Crossroads Inc.]

OMG And yes it is supposed o be STAR SHIP not Startup. Curse you auto correct!!!

[Iroscato]

'Twin Death Stars'? 'Ultra-Class Star Destroyers'? A Type 40 TARDIS being of a measurable size rather than infinite? What nonsense is this?

[Borgholio]

Yeah some of those must have come from deep in the EU, since I've never heard of them...

[Eternal_Freedom]

I've heard of the Imperium Ultra class (it's a design on wolfsshipyard.com), but never the Ascendancy class.

[Iroscato]

Yeah some of those must have come from deep in the EU, since I've never heard of them...

More and more, I appreciate the decision to raze the EU to the ground...

[Elheru Aran]

The Imperium Ultra is a fanwank joke. It's not really meant to be taken seriously.

[Borgholio]

Yeah some of those must have come from deep in the EU, since I've never heard of them...

More and more, I appreciate the decision to raze the EU to the ground...

I'm personally developing the opinion that only the movies should be taken at face value as far as Canon goes. The TV shows like Clone Wars should be able to fill in the gaps but any conflicts should be overridden by the movies. The books...well...same goes for them. I think given how the new EU is likely going to be as patchwork as the old, it might make sense to just disregard parts of it that are contradictory or simply don't make sense.

[Elheru Aran]

Since I've reviewed the picture:

Damn, Craftworlds are big.

This picture is lacking Perry Rhodan rather badly. Also the Skylark and Galactic Patrol universe ships.

I think a few of the bigger Star Wars ships, at least, are fan creations. The Imperium Ultra and whatever the other abomination is definitely are. The 'Twin Death Stars' are quasi-Legendaries canon though, they come from Ralph Mcquarrie's art book about Star Wars planets-- they're in orbit around Coruscant, apparently, and the superlasers aren't functional. Pretty sure they weren't that big though.

[Iroscato]

Also, I thought the generally accepted size of the DS2 was 900km rather than 160?

[Eternal_Freedom]

The Imperium Ultra, even in the fan work that created it, was never actually built, it was an insane plan by the Reborn Emperor to spread his immortal Empire through the universe, complete with World Devastators and cloning facilities aboard....yeah.

[Elheru Aran]

Also, I thought the generally accepted size of the DS2 was 900km rather than 160?

160 is canon. 900 is something of an extreme-end-of-the-scale estimate, IIRC, based upon the curvature (or lack thereof) visible when the Executor rams the DS. Most visuals reinforce the 160 km number... or so I believe... haven't bothered following that for a while.

[Borgholio]

The Imperium Ultra, even in the fan work that created it, was never actually built, it was an insane plan by the Reborn Emperor to spread his immortal Empire through the universe, complete with World Devastators and cloning facilities aboard....yeah.

And it's hangar contained two Executors and a dozen normal ISDs. Yeah...

[applejack]

Also, I thought the generally accepted size of the DS2 was 900km rather than 160?

160 is canon. 900 is something of an extreme-end-of-the-scale estimate, IIRC, based upon the curvature (or lack thereof) visible when the Executor rams the DS. Most visuals reinforce the 160 km number... or so I believe... haven't bothered following that for a while.

As a reminder, the higher number comes from a CINEFEX article where an employee of ILM outright says the model represents a ~500 mile station, which matches closely to representations of the DS2 when compared to the size of the Endor moon both on the holographic display at the rebel briefing and when the rebel fleet comes out of hyperspace on their way to attack the DS2. I think it's been argued that the visual canon is much stronger in favor of the larger size rather than the arbitrary 160km number, which is actually the size of the DS1 rather than the second station.

[Elheru Aran]

Also, I thought the generally accepted size of the DS2 was 900km rather than 160?

160 is canon. 900 is something of an extreme-end-of-the-scale estimate, IIRC, based upon the curvature (or lack thereof) visible when the Executor rams the DS. Most visuals reinforce the 160 km number... or so I believe... haven't bothered following that for a while.

As a reminder, the higher number comes from a CINEFEX article where an employee of ILM outright says the model represents a ~500 mile station, which matches closely to representations of the DS2 when compared to the size of the Endor moon both on the holographic display at the rebel briefing and when the rebel fleet comes out of hyperspace on their way to attack the DS2. I think it's been argued that the visual canon is much stronger in favor of the larger size rather than the arbitrary 160km number, which is actually the size of the DS1 rather than the second station.

I suppose I got it flipped. Those particular debates are long past, so no wonder I would forget the particulars

[Jub]

I know they don't really have easily cut and pasted pictures, but I'd love to see some Culture GSUs and Orbitals on one of these charts.

[SAMAS]

Honestly, I'm getting a little tired of these giant ship charts. Sure, it's nice to compare Dolza's flagship with the Death Star, but that's all anyone does nowadays. It's a lot of wank that leaves out so many of the most iconic ships in Science Fiction, or leaves them as tiny dots among behemoths.

I'm tired of Star Destroyers being on the small end. I wanna compare Serenity with the Normandy. I wanna see if an X-Wing is longer than the Strike Gundam is tall. How much longer is the Enterprise-D than a White Star?

[Enigma]

Still no Dahakverse battle moons.

[Adam Reynolds]

Weren't the twin Death Stars from early concepts in ROTJ?

Why is it that the 160 km is the new canon for DS2? When was that decided? Aren't we still allowed to throw out inaccurate information as in universe propaganda under SOD? Given that the New Republic doesn't fully seem to form in the new canon as they did in the old EU, perhaps their information machine is even less accurate than in the old canon. Given what what we saw in the Ultimate Star Wars book, this would make sense.

[Elheru Aran]

Weren't the twin Death Stars from early concepts in ROTJ?

Yes; as noted, they were recycled in the 'Worlds of Star Wars' McQuarrie art book.

Why is it that the 160 km is the new canon for DS2? When was that decided? Aren't we still allowed to throw out inaccurate information as in universe propaganda under SOD? Given that the New Republic doesn't fully seem to form in the new canon as they did in the old EU, perhaps their information machine is even less accurate than in the old canon. Given what what we saw in the Ultimate Star Wars book, this would make sense.

Because Pablo Hidalgo or whomever was in charge at LFL got tired of all the squabbling and went 'OK, it's 160 km, now shut up about it, we don't care how big the visuals make it or whatever, it's 160 km and that's it'.

Really that's pretty much what it boiled down to.

[Parallax]

Considering that image contain fan art which is based on pure speculation (The Type 40 TARDIS), I don't think this graph has much credibility.

[Adam Reynolds]

Because Pablo Hidalgo or whomever was in charge at LFL got tired of all the squabbling and went 'OK, it's 160 km, now shut up about it, we don't care how big the visuals make it or whatever, it's 160 km and that's it'.

Really that's pretty much what it boiled down to.

Too bad that he picked the wrong number. By that logic we can't say how much firepower the Death Star or X-wings have from the films. Those are based on similar scaling techniques.

The second Death Star represents a massive piece of the Galactic Empire's military strength. The first Death Star was built concurrently with a conventional buildup. The increase in size is related to the fact that it appears that star wars weapon power doesn't scale linearly. It is closer to logarithmic in scaling. Thus it requires a massive increase in size for a moderate increase in firepower. The second Death Star is a part of this trend.

[Elheru Aran]

Because Pablo Hidalgo or whomever was in charge at LFL got tired of all the squabbling and went 'OK, it's 160 km, now shut up about it, we don't care how big the visuals make it or whatever, it's 160 km and that's it'.

Really that's pretty much what it boiled down to.

Too bad that he picked the wrong number. By that logic we can't say how much firepower the Death Star or X-wings have from the films. Those are based on similar scaling techniques.

The second Death Star represents a massive piece of the Galactic Empire's military strength. The first Death Star was built concurrently with a conventional buildup. The increase in size is related to the fact that it appears that star wars weapon power doesn't scale linearly. It is closer to logarithmic in scaling. Thus it requires a massive increase in size for a moderate increase in firepower. The second Death Star is a part of this trend.

Yeah, that's good and all. But that's not really what Hidalgo and company were interested in. As far as they're concerned, the technology and actual capabilities of the Star Wars universe aren't terribly important as long as it's generally consistent within the universe. Telling stories and preserving a shared continuity were more important, and for whatever reason, they didn't care to go with a larger number, perhaps from a simple lack of ability to properly visualize it-- it can be difficult to imagine such large sizes. That's why charts such as this are helpful-- they help with that.

(And really... isn't 900km somewhat incredible compared to 160? That would be slightly smaller than the Unicron sphere in that picture...)

[Imperial528]

The Imperium Ultra is a fanwank joke. It's not really meant to be taken seriously.

Hail Ree'Ak'Tor! Death to the planet-raiders! Long live the Marshal!

*sacrifices TIE pilot*

[applejack]

(And really... isn't 900km somewhat incredible compared to 160? That would be slightly smaller than the Unicron sphere in that picture...)

Starkiller Base is a converted ice planet, so no superweapon is too big for Imperials.

Don't know if it's mobile though, and I don't care much for spoilers at this point, but one would think it is, unless the main weapon (presumably the big red emitter on the official poster) has transgalactic ranges.