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FaxModem1 wrote:Though, if they don't currently have a chief inquisitor, maybe they have to report directly to Vader about this.
I doubt it, since we know they aren't done yet from their appearances in the trailers. :P Vader isn't known for his tolerance of failure, to the point that they don't have a Grand Inquisitor because the last one committed suicide rather than deal with the consequences of reporting failure to Vader.
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FaxModem1 wrote:Though, if they don't currently have a chief inquisitor, maybe they have to report directly to Vader about this.
I doubt it, since we know they aren't done yet from their appearances in the trailers. :P Vader isn't known for his tolerance of failure, to the point that they don't have a Grand Inquisitor because the last one committed suicide rather than deal with the consequences of reporting failure to Vader.
True enough, but just how long enough of a leash do these guys have? After increased failures of the previous Inquisitor, Tarkin himself came to Lothal personally to deal with this.
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The failures on Lothal were more on the Imperial garrison there than the Inquisitor personally - he mainly faced Kanan and Ezra off-world, first on Stygian Prime and then the abandoned asteroid base before finally capturing Kanan at the comms tower on Lothal. That's why he was used as an instrument of execution rather than punished himself (beyond a bit of sarcasm on Tarkin's part). Also I believe he likely has a record of success before coming up against Kanan, given the nature of the trap on Stygian Prime and his reference to it working many times before; having a Jedi slip his grasp a couple of times probably wouldn't have gotten him executed, especially since that also happened to Vader himself more than once. He only feared reprisal when his failure (and personal weapon) led directly to the destruction of a Star Destroyer.

On a semi-related note, I have a feeling things are going to come to a head between the Inquisitors and Kallus (I still can't believe they named him that). First the male Inquisitor left him hanging on Seelos by calling away his Star Destroyer (allowing the rebels to escape again), then told him to piss off when he wanted to follow up in force in the last episode, leading to the rebels escaping... again. We know from season 1 that he disagreed with the Inquisitor's methods ("I believe he's too focused on the Jedi..."), and he's a formidable man himself, so I can't imagine that he'll continue to take their shit forever if they continue to sabotage him and fail themselves.
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Rogue 9 wrote:On a semi-related note, I have a feeling things are going to come to a head between the Inquisitors and Kallus (I still can't believe they named him that). First the male Inquisitor left him hanging on Seelos by calling away his Star Destroyer (allowing the rebels to escape again), then told him to piss off when he wanted to follow up in force in the last episode, leading to the rebels escaping... again. We know from season 1 that he disagreed with the Inquisitor's methods ("I believe he's too focused on the Jedi..."), and he's a formidable man himself, so I can't imagine that he'll continue to take their shit forever if they continue to sabotage him and fail themselves.
Don't forget that the Star Destroyer crew thought they were meeting Vader instead of the inquisitor. Was he impersonating Vader ?

When things come to a head between the male Inquisitor and Kallus, I'm not sure which side the female Inquisitor will be on. While her siding with a fellow Inquisitor is possible, it seems more likely she will use that conflict to get rid of the rival Inquisitor.
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bilateralrope wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:On a semi-related note, I have a feeling things are going to come to a head between the Inquisitors and Kallus (I still can't believe they named him that). First the male Inquisitor left him hanging on Seelos by calling away his Star Destroyer (allowing the rebels to escape again), then told him to piss off when he wanted to follow up in force in the last episode, leading to the rebels escaping... again. We know from season 1 that he disagreed with the Inquisitor's methods ("I believe he's too focused on the Jedi..."), and he's a formidable man himself, so I can't imagine that he'll continue to take their shit forever if they continue to sabotage him and fail themselves.
Don't forget that the Star Destroyer crew thought they were meeting Vader instead of the inquisitor. Was he impersonating Vader ?

When things come to a head between the male Inquisitor and Kallus, I'm not sure which side the female Inquisitor will be on. While her siding with a fellow Inquisitor is possible, it seems more likely she will use that conflict to get rid of the rival Inquisitor.
I didn't get that impression - I think Vader merely ordered the Star Destroyer to rendezvous at such-and-such coordinates, and given his tendency with under-performing command staff, they probably read into it and thought he was meeting them himself...

It did disappointment to see that the Walkers literally only used visual scanning for targeting and navigation - no radar, sonar, or alternate spectrum optics.

Was it me, or did the walkers have rear turrets on them...
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To be fair, they need them. Though those apparently are a different model of walker than the AT-ATs seen on Hoth.
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SAMAS wrote:To be fair, they need them. Though those apparently are a different model of walker than the AT-ATs seen on Hoth.
They're based on early Johnston/McQuarrie concept art for the AT-AT which had a rear turret (see for example pg. 35 in Rinzler's The Making of The Empire Strikes Back)
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SAMAS wrote:To be fair, they need them. Though those apparently are a different model of walker than the AT-ATs seen on Hoth.
Hidalgo also claims these are bigger than standard AT-ATs, though official statements of AT-AT size have always been dubious.
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The new cannon has AT-ATs being designed as far back as during the late years of the Clone Wars. The later version we see in TESB are those specifically designed by Veers and implemented throughout the Empire after they're design adoption.
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When you say 'new canon' there, what precise sources do you mean? I'm aware of Legends sources showing AT-ATs in the late clone wars, but Rex and Wolffe not knowing what they are seems to contradict that.
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Just a quick note, apparently the male inquisitor is the Fifth Brother. I don't believe he's been named in the show yet, but the show's Facebook page posted some discarded concept art from The Force Awakens today saying that his look had been derived from it, and named him there.
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NecronLord wrote:When you say 'new canon' there, what precise sources do you mean? I'm aware of Legends sources showing AT-ATs in the late clone wars, but Rex and Wolffe not knowing what they are seems to contradict that.
According to Wookiepedia, the first source that mentions them is A New Dawn, the novel that takes place just before Rebels. So I'm not sure where they were supposed to be during the Clone Wars.
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Rogue 9 wrote:Just a quick note, apparently the male inquisitor is the Fifth Brother. I don't believe he's been named in the show yet, but the show's Facebook page posted some discarded concept art from The Force Awakens today saying that his look had been derived from it, and named him there.
I'm getting the feeling that some of these "brothers" and "sisters" are coming from Dathomir just like Ventress, Maul and Opress did.
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Well. We get to see the B-wing perform this time out. I suppose it really is a heavy assault fighter.

I'd ask why they didn't use any Star Destroyers in their blockade, but I suppose that question answers itself, since they would like to actually shoot the rebels and their Star Destroyers have no guns. :P Though the real question is why there was a blockade at all. They're starving the planetary population because... why? For t3h evuls?
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Man, I wish the B-Wing would have had that feature in the X-Wing games. They didn't even use the proton torpedoes and ion canons.

I think they are starving out the populace as a punishment for some past collaboration or anti-Imperial sentiment, probably because the Governor or whatever is incredibly incompetent and this is their best idea how to make the populace comply. The situation might have arisen as a mutual escalation of rebellion and punishments. Or that they couldn't think of a better time-sensitive excuse than that.
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Oh, and an alternative explanation: the planet just underwent a full-scale revolt and booted out enough of an Imperial presence that they decided to starve out the population rather than throw more troops and material into an entrenched position. We are probably not seeing a full planet's worth of a population, but maybe a few colonies (hence why just a few grates were enough). It would also explain why they are using the ships to blockade rather than using them as the proverbial steel boot.
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But in the beginning they were talking about increasing production and so forth. It seems to me that starving your workers isn't the best way to do that, though perhaps they were starving out strikers or something.
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Starving out strikers sounds probable. And it was nice to see another example of superlaser tech in action.
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Yeah. Someone on the show's Facebook page was bitching about contradicting the movies since we don't see B-wings blowing up Star Destroyers in Return of the Jedi, but personally I like the callback to the concept art.

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We don't see anything survive B-wing fire in RotJ either. They're only, as Hidalgo says in Rebels, not seen much.

It looks like the B-wing superlaser is very short range, too.
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And it apparently did a number on the hyperdrive.

Anyway, I can dig it that the superlaser thing is a prototype and/or very rare (or is less powerful), and didn't make it to production models (which at the very least lacked the ball turret, according to ROTJ). Which should answer why the Rebel Alliance wasn't swatting down Imperial capital ships left, right and center with this thing.
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A Star Destroyer is exponentially more powerful than the light cruisers used in that blockade; I doubt even the prototype weapon could do much to one on its own. Though it's still canon that the Devastator met her fate at the hands of a B-wing squadron at Endor (reference The Levers of Power short story from the Rise of the Empire anthology), so the production models must still have significant firepower.
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I rather enjoyed that episode. It really brought on the joy of flying. Anyone notice how similar it was to the Rocketeer soundtrack when she was flying the B-wing?



As for the episode from the week before, anyone else besides me enjoy seeing Hondo and his thieving misadventures with Ezra?
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Yeah, that was a decent episode, really, the more they bring back Clone Wars elements, the more they're in their element I think.
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It'll be interesting to see how they reconcile the production model B-Wings not being as good as the prototype. I wonder if it'll make a re-appearance as well.

I wonder if they'll get into the whole "Incom tech-team defecting to the Rebellion and bringing the X-Wings with them" plot... and how/why they seemed to become the staple fighter over the B-Wings apparent superior performance, (perhaps much simpler to produce, or the Incom team brought all the already-produced models with them)?
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