Homeworld versus...

[Master of Ossus]

Be careful when comparing physical weapons to ion weapons in HW. Remember that their hulls are specifically designed to repel KE impacts, and not necessarily energy weapons (though they were hopeful that their hulls would have similar resistance with one of the layers, it was clear that this was an extraordinarily optimistic appraisal of the situation, and that the beam would be deflected by the hull). It is likely that the ion cannons have substantially smaller firepowers, but that they deal damage to HW ships more efficiently than the KE weapons do.

1 kiloton=4E6 MJ.

[Master of Ossus]

Even when using that estimate for the firepower of a HW cruiser, we find that it is piddly compared to an ISD or similar.

[SirNitram]

Be careful when comparing physical weapons to ion weapons in HW. Remember that their hulls are specifically designed to repel KE impacts, and not necessarily energy weapons (though they were hopeful that their hulls would have similar resistance with one of the layers, it was clear that this was an extraordinarily optimistic appraisal of the situation, and that the beam would be deflected by the hull). It is likely that the ion cannons have substantially smaller firepowers, but that they deal damage to HW ships more efficiently than the KE weapons do.

1 kiloton=4E6 MJ.

Possible, though visuals show a good deal of 'splash' and glow away from the hull. Hard to call, really. I'll stick to calculating the impacts and missiles.

If my calc's are right, the kinetic guns dish out between 260-300Kt per strike. Keep in mind, Ossus, even if HW ships are optimized for kinetic strikes, ST ships are not.

Now I go back to scaling the explosion generated by the Siege Cannon, god of all skirmishes.

[Master of Ossus]

I think it would be more telling if we said how much damage an ISD's HTL would do, in HW terms.

[SirNitram]

I think it would be more telling if we said how much damage an ISD's HTL would do, in HW terms.

The word is 'Assload', Ossus. Assload.

[The Nomad]

Anyway keep in mind that we're atfer Cataclysm, therefore even if ST ships are optimised against their new plasma bolts, they still have a lot more missiles ( remember the Somtaaw heavy cruiser ? ) than the ancients, correct ? And they have far less trouble hitting fighters now.

[SirNitram]

Anyway keep in mind that we're atfer Cataclysm, therefore even if ST ships are optimised against their new plasma bolts, they still have a lot more missiles ( remember the Somtaaw heavy cruiser ? ) than the ancients, correct ? And they have far less trouble hitting fighters now.

This is after Cataclysm? Well damn, I can't even try to scale the Siege Cannon.

[SCVN 2812]

Keep in mind, Ossus, even if HW ships are optimized for kinetic strikes, ST ships are not.

Proof?

[starfury]

I think that sirNitram was referring to all the examples of ramming in ST, try checking out the page on shields on Mike Wong's site.

[Howedar]

Keep in mind, Ossus, even if HW ships are optimized for kinetic strikes, ST ships are not.

Proof?

Jesus, if they were designed for kinetic impacts they wouldn't have freakin skinny joints connecting all the parts, they wouldn't have a giant window in every fucking room, they wouldn't have their tit-bridges, they wouldn't explode at the slightest kinetic impact...

[SirNitram]

Keep in mind, Ossus, even if HW ships are optimized for kinetic strikes, ST ships are not.

Proof?

Besides what others have mentioned, how about extremely thin hulls, so thin they can't hold the ship together without a SIF?

[Master of Ossus]

Keep in mind, Ossus, even if HW ships are optimized for kinetic strikes, ST ships are not.

Proof?

Imbecile! In Wrath of Kahn, a slowly moving proton torpedo went straight through the Enterprise without detonating and apparently without even slowing down! That incident was repeated in more or less the same fashion in a DS9 episode (except that the ship's internal structures stopped the weapon, which was a dud because the being who had sold it to the Jem'Hadar was a businessman of the same mentality as Quark). The fact that neither ship had a hull capable of stopping a relatively small object travelling at such low comparitive velocities indicates that neither ship was designed to repel a kinetic impact. How can you not realize this?

[Antediluvian]

Choose your opponents : either the Federation, or the Empire, or any one of the Younger Races, or one of the Lansraad Houses, versus the Kushans and the Taidani Republic with possible intervention of the Bentusi and the Beast ( timescale : end of Cataaclysm, with all the techs, yes even the crystal propelled kickass Bentusi fighters )

Vs. Empire: Homeworld loses, I'm afraid. The Empire is too numerous, too powerful, and it's industrial might is too great. Even with the Bentusi and the Beast, they lose.

Vs. Federation: Good fight, and I think Homeworld can take this one. They can build ships far more quickly, their weapons in my opinion are in the Fed's power level, and their special abilities only clinch the deal.

Plus, they can pull the Empire's trick with their superior FTL.