BabelHuber wrote:
We see visible and invisible shields in SW - why is this so? Are shields made visible on purpose (like when some odor is put into dangerous gases)? Or are there different kinds of shields?
I think there's different kinds. I would never recommend that someone should actually 'watch TPM', because its terrible, but if you see the battle scene with the Gungans and the battle droids, you can see when the tank blasts impact the shield, there's visible 'ripples' along the surface. No such thing is evident on other shields.
You can't fly through the shields, but you can walk through/ under them? is this not enough to proof that there are similarities? What else would be needed?
The issue with this is that walk through / walk under is two very different things. One means the shield is permeable to some objects, the other means it is not / does not need to be.
In every single specification? You can't fly through the shields, but you can walk through/ under them. One was visible, the other not, and we don't know why.
But what I do know is that the AT-ATs were landed beyond the shield, and had to walk through/ under it to get to the rebel's base. Otherwise using AT-ATs would be pointless.
True. Refer above though.
So it's either a theatre shield or an 'umbrella'-shield, but the latter begs the question why Vader didn't just use some low-flying Tie Fighters to destroy the shield generator...
Same issue as with a hypothetical battlefield missile. It wouldn't have fit the story, even though its technically possible and would have a battlefield use. Heck, why isn't there some sort of walker or other vehicle carrying TIEs which can walk through a shield and then launch them? You can go on with this stuff forever, really.
But perhaps small compared to the bigger shield? Otherwise Tie Fighters could be used, unless the umbrealla was just big enough to let the AT-ATs through...
That's a good idea, I agree. But see above re: the TIE Fighter issue.
Conceded. But still, the Hoth shield can only be an umbrella-type or a theatre-type shield. And since we never have seen an umbrella-type...
Yeah, its an open question.
But Starkiller Base had some shitty shield where this is possible? So they spent a huge amount of ressources to create the superweapon, but then saved money when installing the shield? Now this makes sense!
There's nothing shitty about it within the context of the setting. No ship can
ordinarily penetrate the shield. This was a difficult maneuver that Han pulled, and it probably doesn't have a very high chance of success / isn't really repeatable. Just because the shield is
hypothetically vulnerable to a really obscure tactic and hypothetical missiles that don't exist doesn't make it shitty, anymore than the Empire isn't incompetent because they don't have battlefield cruise missiles to take down shields or some sort of transporter to deploy aircraft under shields.
So it would have been impossible to make a good movie without a pathetic villain?
I defer to Channel72 in that regard. Speaking of:
K. A. Pital wrote:
Does not seem to be true: Dooku has quite a bit of screen time in AotC, and I feel that movie gets too much hate for Anakin so that people actually forget Lee's great performance. He talks to Obi-Wan, very convincingly, about how Sith control the Senate, and he seems to have some concept of honour, even as he fights the Jedi in the arena, Obi-Wan and Anakin and finally Yoda - who is revealed to be his teacher, exposing the Jedi "Masters" as crappy teachers whose pupils fall to the Dark Side, btw.
He really doesn't. Heck, he first appears 1 hour and 16 minutes into AotC and only has a handful of scenes. Christopher Lee can elevate any shitty material, but Dooku is not a great character. And Dooku's not convincing at all. His overtures to Obi-Wan are completely fucking idiotic, actually:
- We first see him when Obi-Wan is eavesdropping on him and the Separatist leaders, talking about how:
*They must persuade the Commerce Guild and Corporate Alliance to sign the treaty, with Nute Gunray asking if Padme is dead yet, because he won't sign the treaty until that happens. Dooku says he is a 'man of his word'.
*Bizarrely, notwithstanding this comment, Dooku then asserts the Trade Federation has 'pledged their support'. Even though its leader just said he wouldn't sign the treaty until Padme is dead. Jesus Christ, this writing is awful.
*Dooku then clearly indicates they will have the largest army in the galaxy and will overwhelm the Jedi, and the Republic will agree to their demands.
This exchange ends at approximately 1 hour 18 minutes, by the way.
We return to Dooku, talking to Obi-Wan, at 1 hour 31 minutes.
Dooku immediately insults Obi-Wan's intelligence - and the audience - by saying that 'its a terrible mistake' and is 'madness'. The notion that anything about his schtick to Obi-Wan is "convincing" is, I'm sorry, utterly ridiculous - we
just saw him plotting with the would be Separatist leaders and promising a fucking murder. Again - awful writing. It makes Dooku look like a oblivious chump when he makes his proposal for Obi-Wan to join him, because Obi-Wan has no reason to join someone who is so obviously (to him, and to the audience) ethically compromised.
Oh, and Ewan McGregor's glued on, fake beard in that scene is definitely not helping matters.
That scene is over at 1 hour 33 minutes.
So far he's had four minutes of screen time.
He appears again in the arean at 1 hour 45 minutes. His screentime between then and the duel with Obi-Wan, Anakin and Yoda is negligible. A few lines here and there. Barely worth noting.
Darth Emo gets more screen time than Dooku, who has zero relationship to the main characters and is only tangentially related to Yoda (his apprentice). And yet... Dooku's death in RotS is an emotional moment, while it was hard for me to care for Darth Emo's internal suffering even one little bit. The revelation that he was Han Solo's son somehow made him even more loathesome and silly. It didn't make me care more about his fate - or that of his new "master", heh.
I can't imagine why his death would be an emotional moment. Who would care that he's dead, or why? He's just not an interesting - or even intelligent - villain. Unlike Darth Vader or Kylo Ren, we never see him in his element doing villainous or interesting things - he exists merely to foil the heroes at the end of AotC and to die unceremoniously at the beginning of RotS. There are no equivalent to the scenes of Vader dealing with his Imperial detractors, or disciplining the failures of his subordinates, or plotting against the heroes, or doing anything particularly villainous whatsoever. He's a villain because we're told he's a villain. Oh well. Whatever. A waste of a good actor.
Andy Wylde wrote:
You make some excellent points. Also if anyone was paying attention that Dooku also was the head of the separatist movement which caused the deaths of many Jedi, clones and Republic citizens during a 3 year span.
I didn't see any of that, so I have no idea why I should care. Did he do it himself? I certainly never saw it.
And by the time of ROTS, I believe there were a lot of people that had an extreme "personal connection" to Count Dooku.
I can assume things that we never saw in any movie too. Its not valid.
So I believe that Dooku had a pretty big role in the unfolding of events during the clone wars which caused many problems for the people and the galaxy. And as you pointed out he was Yoda's padawan as well as Qui Gon was his padawan.
Informed attributes don't make good characters or good writing, sorry.
As for Darth Emo, him being a Solo/Skywalker didn't really mean much to me. I thought I would feel different, but I don't. It sucks that Han died. But they way the did it had no impact for me. And he gets his ass kicked by 2 novices. 1 that is untrained and the other may or may not have training. For the latter, I am sure there will be some hand wave bullshit about how she was trained and Luke "wiped" her mind and stuck on some planet for her safety. And Luke will somehow restore her memory and she will be a lean mean emo ass kicking machine!
This is a completely idiotic argument - the kind of wilfully obtuse, dishonest bullshit that's trotted out by people who don't like a movie for subjective reasons but will hide their subjective dislike behind poor, easily dismissed arguments. Kylo Ren didn't 'get his ass kicked by two novices'. He was shot in the fucking gut by Chewie's bowcaster, an absurdly powerful weapon, as the movie goes out of its way to show us multiple times. When he confronts Finn and Rey, he is visibly sweating even though its in the fucking cold. He beats his wound and we see his blood in the snow. He then proceeds to dominate Finn until Finn scores a single lucky strike - which leads to Ren immediately ending the fight by disarming him and slashing him on the back.
He then proceeds to dominate Rey and tries to convince her to join him (in typical dark side fashion) - leading her to draw upon her new found abilities (and a little dark side as well, as the movie implies and the recently released script confirms) to overcome a wounded, bleeding Kylo Ren. A 'memory wipe' or whatever isn't necessary. Its called 'the Force Awakens' for a blindingly obvious reason.
The movie goes out of its way to indicate that Kylo Ren is nowhere near peak condition, and yet this bullshit argument is trotted out by imbeciles over and over again.
) just ruined it for me. I think there is still hope for the other films, somehow I feel JJ Abrams is to blame for this copy filming.
