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Wal-Mart to Shut Hundreds of Stores

World's biggest retailer also abandons small-format Express
Closings affect less than 1% of square footage, company says

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. plans to shutter 269 stores, the most in at least two decades, as it abandons its experimental small-format Express outlets and looks to streamline the chain.

The move by the largest private employer in the U.S. will affect about 10,000 jobs domestically at 154 locations, according to a statement Friday. Overseas, the effort will eliminate 6,000 jobs and includes the closing of 60 money-losing stores in Brazil, a country where Wal-Mart has struggled.
The plan will affect less than 1 percent of its total square footage and revenue, the company said.

Chief Executive Officer Doug McMillon took the step after reviewing the chain’s 11,600 stores, evaluating their financial performance and fit with its broader strategy. The move also marks the end of its pilot Wal-Mart Express program, a bid to create a network of small corner stores to compete with dollar-store chains and drugstores. Wal-Mart will continue its larger-size Neighborhood Markets effort, though 23 poor-performing stores in that chain also will be closed. The company is still expanding its footprint in the U.S., adding 69 new stores and 6,000 jobs in January alone.

“We invested considerable time assessing our stores and clubs and don’t take this lightly,” McMillon said. “We are supporting those impacted with extra pay and support, and we will take all appropriate steps to ensure they are treated well.”

Wal-Mart shares fell 1.8 percent to $61.93 in New York as the broader market tumbled. They have lost 29 percent of their value over the past 12 months, dragged down by slow growth and profit declines.

Not Enough?

Some investors may be disappointed that the cuts aren’t deeper, said Brian Yarbrough, an analyst with Edward Jones.

“I don’t think this is enough to move the needle,” he said. “I think they need to exit some markets totally and close a lot more than they are closing.”

The shutdowns will reduce earnings from continuing operations by about 20 cents to 22 cents a share, the Bentonville, Arkansas-based company said, with as much as 20 cents of that coming in the fourth quarter.

Supercenter Shutdowns

Twelve of its massive supercenter stores, which employ an average of about 300 people, will be shuttered. Most of the closings will occur by the end of the month. Last year, Wal-Mart shut three supercenters.

The closing of the smaller-format stores signals a retreat for Wal-Mart from one of its main efforts to try to boost slowing U.S. sales. When the company introduced the stores in 2011, the aim was to attract shoppers who didn’t want the hassle of going to a sprawling supercenter to pick up a carton of milk after work. Other retailers, including Target Corp., have also been making a push into smaller stores.

The experiment seemed to be working. As recently as 2014, Wal-Mart announced plans to open an additional 90 Express stores and touted their “solid” sales growth. But the company said today it was planning instead to focus on the mid-sized Neighborhood Markets, which are about the size of a grocery store, and its supercenters, which sell everything from avocados to windshield wipers.

The closings are good news for dollar store chains, which had the most to lose from Wal-Mart expanding its small format, said Yarbrough.

Employee Severance

Wal-Mart will give employees the chance to relocate to nearby stores. It also will provide 60 days of pay and one week of severance for each year with the company. Wal-Mart has 1.4 million employees in the U.S. and 800,000 abroad.

McMillon had signaled to investors that he was considering closing some stores during the company’s investor meeting in October. Still, the move doesn’t mean Wal-Mart is reducing its overall U.S. stores, the retailer said on Friday. It plans to open 50 to 60 supercenters in the U.S. this year and 85 to 95 neighborhood markets, which are about the size of a typical grocery store. That is a slightly slower pace of growth than the 115 it added in 2014.

Wal-Mart has come under increased pressure to cut costs after giving a gloomy profit forecast for the next fiscal year. Earnings are expected to decrease 6 percent to 12 percent in the year ending January 2017. Sales haven’t been growing fast enough to offset the billions of dollars that Wal-Mart is spending on higher wages for its workers and improvements to its website.
At one point Walmart basically seemed unstoppable. Their business model of "be complete assholes so we can sell everything for cheap" seemed like a winning strategy, in terms of continuously growing and shutting down the competition. But at this point Walmart has pretty much stopped expanding, and in fact has to seriously downsize to maintain their current operations.

This article doesn't really explain why this is happening. But there's a follow-up opinion piece that sort of tries to provide (hypothesized) ideas about why Walmart is fucking up:

http://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/article ... owth-hopes
Walmart's decision to shutter its Express stores does not bode well for a company with few prospects for growth. The retailer, which already brings in half a trillion dollars of annual sales, announced 269 store closures Friday, with an added surprise: 100 or so of those will be its smaller Express stores, modeled after convenience stores.

And just like that, one of Walmart's only avenues for growth was closed at a time when its two other growth prospects -- international expansion and online sales -- are slowing. Shares dropped by 2 percent. Back in 2011, Walmart's cavernous super centers were losing customers who no longer wanted to traverse a giant store just to pick up eggs or milk. After having some success with Neighborhood Markets, medium-sized stores modeled after grocery chains, Walmart took a shot on smaller stores to help it win back customers.

Goodbye Growth

Walmart's sales are moving in the wrong direction.

The company has repeatedly declared that the smaller stores were its next avenue for growth. It even broke out "smaller-store" results on its financial statements to give investors more insight into their progress. But it never seemed like the company could fully adapt to thinking small. It often stocked superstore-type items, such as 20-pound dog food packages, in small Express stores in cities such as Chicago, where customers were walking, not driving, to pick up their groceries.

Walmart said it would build some 300 new stores this year and is committed to its Neighborhood Markets. The company hasn't released fourth-quarter sales results yet, but if the first 10 months of 2015 are any indication, then the results aren't likely to be great.

With more than 5,000 Walmart stores already in the U.S. and consumer spending stagnant, how many more traditional Walmarts can America really sustain? Giving up the convenience-store format will just make it easier for dollar stores and pharmacy chains to keep eating into Walmart's market share.

Meanwhile, prospects for international growth have dimmed amid a global economic slowdown, and e-commerce sales don't appear to be the saving grace, either: Year-over-year growth in online sales at Walmart fell to 10 percent in the third quarter, the lowest since Walmart began breaking out e-commerce sales.

The fact that it took Walmart five years to decide whether or not to scrap the Express effort -- roughly the same amount of time it took startups like Lyft and Snapchat to become household names -- underscores just how hard it is for the slow-moving giant to adapt to the fast-changing needs of consumers.
This still doesn't really explain why Walmart is failing to grow anymore, other than guessing that people have stopped shopping there for groceries. The comment about selling 20-pound dog food bags in Chicago is hilarious - and reveals that Walmart is sort of just brute-forcing their presence everywhere without necessarily thinking through any kind of strategy. I live in a city and take public transportation, so I rarely shop at Walmart, but I would have assumed that if you have a car, the only reason not to shop there would be moral reasons (since there's no real economic or financial case to be made for shopping anywhere else.) Then again, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone shopping at Walmart for groceries - people I know who live in the suburbs shop at regular grocery stores (Pathmark, Stop&Shop, etc.) or sometimes small convenience stores, but never "big box stores", for groceries. (Except for people who have membership at one of those "wholesale" big box stores, like Costco.)

It could also be that all the bad press that Walmart has received about how shitty they are to employees, (as well as being run by overall shitty human beings) has finally taken some kind of toll - but I think it's more likely some combination of practical reasons that are fucking them over here. Perhaps the fact that they are perceived as somewhat "low class" compared to more expensive chains also hurts them.
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Well, another issue is that a business model can only grow so long before it reaches saturation. There are thousands of Walmarts in America, and there are also thousands of Targets, K-Marts, and so on. I'd say it's a conservative estimate to suppose that there are ten thousand such superstores in America. Probably more like twenty thousand, plus great numbers of higher-budget department stores like Sears, Macy's, and so on.

But America only has a total population of three hundred million people or so. At some point, there just isn't a lot of room for even more gigantic department stores. At which point the only way for Walmart to expand is:

1) Wait for the population to grow- but the US population grows slowly.
2) Gain market share at the expense of a direct competitor- but in general, said direct competitors can do anything Walmart does, so if they can't survive in a given market, odds are Walmart won't thrive there either. Or...
3) Innovate by creating entire new categories of stores... at which point they have to crash into the reality that they're competing with other businesses that probably have more experience in that particular retail niche, i.e. their competitors are too smart to stock twenty-pound bags of dog food at a corner store in an urban area.
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Simon Jester wrote:2) Gain market share at the expense of a direct competitor- but in general, said direct competitors can do anything Walmart does, so if they can't survive in a given market, odds are Walmart won't thrive there either.
Yeah, but I thought what always set Walmart apart from direct competitors was that Walmart would literally do anything, no matter how unethical, to keep prices very low. Meaning that, on average, an item at Walmart is cheaper than the same item at Target or elsewhere. (I actually don't know if this is true - it's just what I've heard many times.)
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Here's a crazy idea I know... why not be happy with the billions in business each year and work to modify existing stores to increase sales rather than attempting to launch endless expansion points AKA Starbucks. McDonalds has managed that, everywhere that needs a McDonalds or can support a McDonalds.

Chances are they can screwed up on the convenience store idea the first time, but come five years from now they can try and outcompete CVS and Walgreens once they come at it better.

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Simon Jester wrote:2) Gain market share at the expense of a direct competitor- but in general, said direct competitors can do anything Walmart does, so if they can't survive in a given market, odds are Walmart won't thrive there either.
Yeah, but I thought what always set Walmart apart from direct competitors was that Walmart would literally do anything, no matter how unethical, to keep prices very low. Meaning that, on average, an item at Walmart is cheaper than the same item at Target or elsewhere. (I actually don't know if this is true - it's just what I've heard many times.)
Outside of fiction, it's never that simple.

Firstly, being "the unethical guy" doesn't automatically confer a competitive advantage in a complicated environment. It can lead to a lot of complications that add costs to the business. It can make you unwelcome in communities, or with suppliers, that are happy to open their doors to one of your competitors.

Secondly and on a more cynical note, do you really think Target executives are just that much more scrupulous and moral than Walmart executives that they're willing to sit there and watch Walmart systematically beat them on prices by, oh, five percent across the board? If Walmart really started to get that much of a price advantage over them by pursuing some particular unscrupulous or antisocial tactic, you can bet Target would have every motivation to start emulating them.

Also, remember that even if what you say is true and Walmart's niche IS that they're the Sneaky Bastard discount department store chain... that's been true for twenty or thirty years now. Any market share they haven't already gained that way in two or three decades of trying, they're not suddenly going to gain now just by doing the same thing slightly harder.

Trying to increase their market share by doubling down on existing business strategies is always going to be a very marginal proposition for a company like Walmart. And since the modern American stock market and MBA-managerial culture emphasizes that corporations 'should' have ever-growing, ever-expanding profits... They keep experimenting with spinoffs that will net them a profit. Hopefully.
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Channel72 wrote:This still doesn't really explain why Walmart is failing to grow anymore, other than guessing that people have stopped shopping there for groceries. The comment about selling 20-pound dog food bags in Chicago is hilarious - and reveals that Walmart is sort of just brute-forcing their presence everywhere without necessarily thinking through any kind of strategy.
Yeah, that's just hilarious - I lived in Chicago 15 years and used public transportation or my feet. 20 pound bulk bags of anything just aren't compatible with that even if you do have your own personal fold-up shopping cart (we still have ours, in fact)
I live in a city and take public transportation, so I rarely shop at Walmart, but I would have assumed that if you have a car, the only reason not to shop there would be moral reasons (since there's no real economic or financial case to be made for shopping anywhere else.) Then again, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone shopping at Walmart for groceries - people I know who live in the suburbs shop at regular grocery stores (Pathmark, Stop&Shop, etc.) or sometimes small convenience stores, but never "big box stores", for groceries. (Except for people who have membership at one of those "wholesale" big box stores, like Costco.)
Back in my financially dark times a couple times people gave us Wal-Mart gift cards and I used them for groceries as well as other things. It's not real convenient. They do tend to large packaging which isn't terribly convenient for a 2 person household. The stores are massive, the aisles narrow, and good luck finding an employee if you need help. If I was stocking up on stuff there was some positive trade-off there but for just one or two items? Ugh. I'd often pay more just to get in and out of a store quicker.

I wouldn't discount the morality issue though - there are people who won't shop at Wal-Mart for moral/ethical/philosophical reasons.
Perhaps the fact that they are perceived as somewhat "low class" compared to more expensive chains also hurts them.
That, too - also, cheap and shoddy goods. Some of their stuff is OK quality but a lot of the reason they have such low prices is they're selling cheap shit.
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Have the likes of Aldi/Lidl headed to the US? Since their introduction to the UK, they've taken an axe to the profits of groups like Tesco/Morrisons
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Simon_Jester wrote:Secondly and on a more cynical note, do you really think Target executives are just that much more scrupulous and moral than Walmart executives that they're willing to sit there and watch Walmart systematically beat them on prices by, oh, five percent across the board? If Walmart really started to get that much of a price advantage over them by pursuing some particular unscrupulous or antisocial tactic, you can bet Target would have every motivation to start emulating them.
I'm taking it as a given that Walmart prices actually are significantly cheaper - across the board - than competitors. Are you saying this is not true? Because that's the only thing really that has set Walmart apart, and indeed, the major factor behind the whole controversy of Walmart - and the reason why zillions of documentaries have been made about Walmart. I'm pretty sure Target and other competitors are more expensive. You're actually the first person I've spoken with who doesn't seem to take this as a given.

I haven't actually done a real price comparison, but certainly the idea I have about Walmart being ridiculously cheap is at least widely disseminated, enough so that the Wiki article casually takes it for granted:
Wikipedia wrote:Walmart's reputation is for "low prices", compared with Target's for selling "cheap chic" and Costco's for offering low-price, limited-selection "retail treasure hunts"
(Note I'm not citing Wikipedia here as proof that Walmart prices are actually much lower than competitors - I'm simply citing it as evidence that the perception I have is at least very common.)

Although there's plenty of other evidence that seems to indicate Walmart actually does have very low prices, significantly lower than their competitors, and that their competitors simply are unable to emulate this for whatever reason.

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-walm ... ing-2012-9
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Is Walmart significantly cheaper than other stores? Yes and no. It depends on a number of factors-- location, and specific products, for two. Groceries for example are pretty consistently close in price across the board at most stores in this region (suburbs of Atlanta)-- Target will be marginally more expensive than Walmart if all you're buying is groceries (say $70 versus a $55 ticket), Kroger will be cheaper than Target ($60 versus 70), Publix will be a bit more expensive than Kroger, and so forth.

Clothing on the other hand does tend to be significantly cheaper than at other stores. You can buy jeans every day for literally ten dollars a pair at Walmart. You can only get that kind of pricing anywhere else with significant discounts (think Black Friday). Of course, these ten-dollar jeans are going to be fairly shoddy and won't last very long. They offer higher tier jeans like Wranglers, Levi's and Carhartts, with correspondingly higher prices that approach department-store prices, but are still consistently below them.

I'm not familiar enough with other products that Walmart retails since the only two things that we consistently purchase there are clothing and food. But their electronics are certainly a little cheaper, depending on what you're buying.

Overall though, yeah, there is definitely a strong popular consciousness that Walmart products simply are not up to the standard that you can get elsewhere. Yes, they're cheaper... but you don't buy them expecting them to last, you buy them because they're cheap. It's a false economy that our society has been forced into by corporate might.
Dartzap wrote:Have the likes of Aldi/Lidl headed to the US? Since their introduction to the UK, they've taken an axe to the profits of groups like Tesco/Morrisons
YES. Aldi has been in the US for some years now. It got a foothold in the North, but recently it's started expanding down here in the South. It has been glorious. Their grocery prices are consistently even or lower than Walmart's, so they've really caught on with a lot of people. I'm pretty happy about that, too.
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Dartzap wrote:Have the likes of Aldi/Lidl headed to the US? Since their introduction to the UK, they've taken an axe to the profits of groups like Tesco/Morrisons
Aldi opened its first US store in 1976, and there's been an Aldi in my town for as long as I can remember. I do almost all of my gropcery shopping there, only stopping at Wal-Mart for the few things I can't get at Aldi, like Velveeta singles and Marshmallow Froot Loops.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Secondly and on a more cynical note, do you really think Target executives are just that much more scrupulous and moral than Walmart executives that they're willing to sit there and watch Walmart systematically beat them on prices by, oh, five percent across the board? If Walmart really started to get that much of a price advantage over them by pursuing some particular unscrupulous or antisocial tactic, you can bet Target would have every motivation to start emulating them.
I'm taking it as a given that Walmart prices actually are significantly cheaper - across the board - than competitors. Are you saying this is not true? Because that's the only thing really that has set Walmart apart, and indeed, the major factor behind the whole controversy of Walmart - and the reason why zillions of documentaries have been made about Walmart. I'm pretty sure Target and other competitors are more expensive. You're actually the first person I've spoken with who doesn't seem to take this as a given.

I haven't actually done a real price comparison, but certainly the idea I have about Walmart being ridiculously cheap is at least widely disseminated, enough so that the Wiki article casually takes it for granted:
Wikipedia wrote:Walmart's reputation is for "low prices", compared with Target's for selling "cheap chic" and Costco's for offering low-price, limited-selection "retail treasure hunts"
(Note I'm not citing Wikipedia here as proof that Walmart prices are actually much lower than competitors - I'm simply citing it as evidence that the perception I have is at least very common.)

Although there's plenty of other evidence that seems to indicate Walmart actually does have very low prices, significantly lower than their competitors, and that their competitors simply are unable to emulate this for whatever reason.

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-walm ... ing-2012-9
Wal-Mart maintains its low prices by several ways. First it saved money early by only using current employees in their paper advertising. Second and the biggest is they have a large amount of control over their suppliers prices. Third and the one I am least sure about is they try to cut costs on every level. Rumor is they even do board meetings on furniture sold in their stores.
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Dartzap wrote:Have the likes of Aldi/Lidl headed to the US? Since their introduction to the UK, they've taken an axe to the profits of groups like Tesco/Morrisons
Aldi has been in the US market since 1976. They're doing just fine, and in recent years have been expanding. I do about 1/2 to 2/3 of my food shopping there.
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hunter5 wrote:Wal-Mart maintains its low prices by several ways. First it saved money early by only using current employees in their paper advertising. Second and the biggest is they have a large amount of control over their suppliers prices. Third and the one I am least sure about is they try to cut costs on every level. Rumor is they even do board meetings on furniture sold in their stores.
See, this sort of complexity is the kind of thing I'm getting at.

It's not simple.

It's not simple in the sense of "Walmart always has the lowest prices," and it's not simple in the sense of "Walmart can do this because it is more ruthlessly unethical than any competing corporation."

That's not to say that Walmart doesn't do unethical things (their stance on unionization in stores is well established, for instance). It's simply that you can't just say "yes, their unique schtick is that they are always the cheapest because they are always the most evil." If it were that simple, given how capitalism normally works, the competing corporations would just start doing the same evil shit.
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Walmart also doesn't actually always have the lowest prices. They'll have a couple of items that are significant discounts, but then everything else is just like the competition, or actually more expensive.
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My experience matches Elheru Aran on Walmart's pricing, although Target is pretty close in clothing prices to what Walmart is offering in my experience - and stuff at TJ Maxx and the other super-discounting clothing chains like Ross are the same or cheaper.

What's really hammering Walmart is all the new entrants, plus saturation of their markets. Walmart is getting undercut by the even lower prices available at the dollar store chains (many of whom have expanded to include stuff like frozen and dairy products, if you're daring enough to try dollar store frozen food products), and by other entrants such as the expanding pharmacy super-chains (such as Rite Aid and Walgreens, all of which have some food and grocery products). And of course the existing grocery chains and conglomerates like Kroger are no slouches, either, especially with the aggressive use of coupons and discounting.

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Walmart definitely doesn't have access to any special source of lower costs in their production. All of the major chains are sourcing from the cheapest possible places in the world for their stuff (like clothing from Bangladesh).
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Another factor that is seriously cutting into Walmart's profits is serious competition from Amazon and other online retailers. By not having physical stores, they can cut expenses much more than Walmart. Because it's not like Walmart can get away with not having warehouses(which can also be automated much more efficiently than stores) or a quality website(which they are currently pouring large amounts of money into, per the OP article). So Amazon can almost always undercut them in prices. Especially since Amazon only focuses on big ticket items that are also more vulnerable to things like shoplifting(which Walmart in particular has a massive problem with).
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My reaction was: Oh, unions got into those stores.
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Zwinmar wrote:My reaction was: Oh, unions got into those stores.
Possible, but unlikely given the stranglehold these mega-store corporations have on their employees. At Home Depot the unofficial approach was "unions are bad. very bad. well, we aren't actually going to say they're bad, but they're bad. And if you join an union, you are asking for a firing." The official line is more like "you are free to join an union if you like but we take good care of you enough already that you shouldn't need to." I'm certain this is much the same across most workplaces that aren't unionized. The corporate scare tactics... work.

So, no, I buy the economic issues story a little better. Competition, market saturation, whatever. Well, fuck 'em. It's about fucking time we got some decent fucking product in town.
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Channel72 wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:Secondly and on a more cynical note, do you really think Target executives are just that much more scrupulous and moral than Walmart executives that they're willing to sit there and watch Walmart systematically beat them on prices by, oh, five percent across the board? If Walmart really started to get that much of a price advantage over them by pursuing some particular unscrupulous or antisocial tactic, you can bet Target would have every motivation to start emulating them.
I'm taking it as a given that Walmart prices actually are significantly cheaper - across the board - than competitors. Are you saying this is not true?
Add me to the "Walmart is not cheaper accross the board" camp.

I do 99% of my household shopping at Fred Myer (A Kroger store in the PNW, that does mostly groceries but also everything else you'd want to buy: clothes, automotive, toys, household, furniture, etc.). We've found that groceries are either of a higher quality (fresher fruit/meat/dairy - FM buys loads of local stuff while Walmart has prepackaged everything from who knows where) or are close enough in price not to bother with Walmart's horrible checkout lines. If we did a shopping trip to Walmart for groceries, I'd expect it to come out at basically a wash with Freddy's; some days it'd be more, some less. Brand-name oatmeal is consistently less at Walmart, but that's really about it and when we buy either store brand it's a wash.

Now, if you are unfortunate enough to not have such a store nearby, Walmart is certainly cheaper than other grocery stores like Safeway and Whole Foods, and also than department stores like Target and Sears. Don't get me started on Safeway, I have seen the same item on the shelves there as at Freddy's/Walmart for fully double the price. They're clearly just ripping everyone off.

For all the houshold stuff, Walmart usually is cheaper, but you're not always comparing apples to apples. Clothes at Walmart are often the cheapest not marked down at all, but they're also cheaply made and don't hold up as well as the name-brand stuff we'd get at Freddy's for about the same price (because we can always buy stuff on clearance at Freddy's, which Walmart avoids doing). Other goods are often only available in that style at Walmart, so while their Rubbermaid tub (or whatever) might be cheaper, it's because it's a Walmart-only tub and it's a pile of trash compared to the one you buy anywhere else. Goods which do not fall into either category are usually priced the same as goods available elsewhere (e.g.: idevices).

The shopping we do at Walmart is usually just because they're a more comprehensive department store than Freddy's is, so they often have greater selection. Same with Target, sometimes the thing you want is only available there. And diapers, brand-name diapers are cheapest at Target for some reason.

Personally though, I prefer Walmart to Target's cooperate policy. Target shuts out charities (Salvation Army and others) doing drives in front of their stores, Walmart does not.

The reason they're failing is probably two fold: They've saturated the market and Amazon is killing the holiday shopping season. I've been hearing all brick-and-mortar stores had downish years, but this story is just focusing on Walmart.
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Well, MY store had a good Thanksgiving-to-Christmas season, but the corporate offices also have seen the writing on the wall and adjusted expectations for the changed environment. My employer is also still a private, family owned company (even if it's in five states and employs 50,000+ people) so doesn't have to answer to Wall Street type investors.

We are typically slightly more expensive than Wal Mart... but we have staff on the floors, enough people to man all 36 checkout lanes if traffic demands (and yes, we've been that busy at times), aisles wide enough for two carts to pass (or wheelchairs). Certainly, while some of our employees are or have been on public aid either you start above minimum wage or work up to a higher wage in a few years.

Yes, we have some cheap crap - but sometimes you don't want to spend a lot of money on something, or just don't have a lot of money. We also stock higher quality items in most product lines so you can have a choice of either extreme budget or higher quality.

The company tries to source produce locally as well as nationally and internationally, to the point that some items have signs specifying what town or even what farm something comes from, but also stocks things like fruit from Chile when it's completely out of season in North America. Of course, offering a range of options does cost a bit more, but we aren't lacking for customers.

Oddly enough, Aldi is our produce competitor locally - they've really stepped up their offerings. They don't have nearly as wide a selection but what they have is fresh and in good shape. The other grocery chains in our area aren't as consistent.

Yes, there are die-hard Wal-Mart fans. We have customers that loathe Wal-Mart, too. Then again, it's still a fairly urban area even if I'm far enough out to have some farms around me. Where it gets really bad is where Wal-Mart has no competition.
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Wal-Mart has slowly been losing control over its suppliers for a long time as Target and other similar type stores increased their sales. This has been coming for a while as their are only so many places that you put one of their super centers. And their grocery store experiment didn't work.
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hunter5 wrote: And their grocery store experiment didn't work.
Not sure what you're saying here. All the Walmarts in my region are also grocery stores, and many have been for years. They probably can't take my loyalty away from the grocery store I shop at because it's a region-specific store already offering great prices, but I know several people who shop at Walmart for groceries and it isn't more expensive to do so.
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Me2005 wrote:
hunter5 wrote: And their grocery store experiment didn't work.
Not sure what you're saying here. All the Walmarts in my region are also grocery stores, and many have been for years. They probably can't take my loyalty away from the grocery store I shop at because it's a region-specific store already offering great prices, but I know several people who shop at Walmart for groceries and it isn't more expensive to do so.
He's misidentifying the Walmart Express stores (which are really convenience stores along the lines of like a gas station or CVS) with the Neighborhood Markets, which are dedicated grocery stores (unlike the 'everything-in-one-place Supercenters) and AFAIK are doing just fine as a general business model.
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RogueIce wrote:
Me2005 wrote:
hunter5 wrote: And their grocery store experiment didn't work.
Not sure what you're saying here. All the Walmarts in my region are also grocery stores, and many have been for years. They probably can't take my loyalty away from the grocery store I shop at because it's a region-specific store already offering great prices, but I know several people who shop at Walmart for groceries and it isn't more expensive to do so.
He's misidentifying the Walmart Express stores (which are really convenience stores along the lines of like a gas station or CVS) with the Neighborhood Markets, which are dedicated grocery stores (unlike the 'everything-in-one-place Supercenters) and AFAIK are doing just fine as a general business model.
Ah, I've not seen those. I've only got the superstores or target-like stores.

Actually, this other stuff sounds like what happened with Sam's club (another Walmart spinoff). Basically, you can only have so many stores of the "lowest possible prices!" type before you start stealing your own sales. Apparently Sam's club, despite being geared to compete with Costco, actually cuts into Walmart's own sales.
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Apparently Sam's club, despite being geared to compete with Costco, actually cuts into Walmart's own sales
Aside from the fact that they're just doing it plain wrong. Costco's advantage isn't low prices. In fact in some cases they have higher prices. Their advantage is that they actually give a shit about the customers and the products they sell, so shoppers are kept satisfied both with the products and the service.
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