Rey's origins ('The Force Awakens' spoilers)

[Sidewinder]

Ultimately, we'll discover that Snoke killed Mara and ordered young Kylo to kill Rey in order to make himself stronger in the dark side of the Force (sound familiar?). Unlike Vader, however, he couldn't bring himself to murder an innocent child so he secretly marooned her on Jakku instead and lied to everyone about her fate.

I find it EXTREMELY UNLIKELY Kylo Ren would be so soft-hearted, even for an "innocent child." Besides, what if Snoke could SENSE the fact Ren was lying, AS WELL AS the obvious absence of Rey's death? I believe Palpatine demonstrated comparable sensitivity in the tie-in comics and novels, when dealing with Vader.

[Channel72]

What? Did you see the movie? The whole point of Kylo Ren is that he kind of struggles with being evil. He clearly had a difficult time bringing himself to kill Han, and Snoke sort of doubted he'd be able to do that. I mean they spell it out pretty clearly when Ren is alone talking to Vader's mask.

[Sidewinder]

What? Did you see the movie? The whole point of Kylo Ren is that he kind of struggles with being evil. He clearly had a difficult time bringing himself to kill Han, and Snoke sort of doubted he'd be able to do that. I mean they spell it out pretty clearly when Ren is alone talking to Vader's mask.

I believe you're overestimating how greatly Ren struggled. Remember, he ordered a bunch of unarmed and restrained civilians killed in the beginning of the movie. In the novelization, Snoke also stated Ren has NOT been tested to his limits, i.e., Ren had YET TO FACE the kind of moral dilemma you believe he'd have if he had to kill an "innocent child." (Sarcastic quotation marks used because, in the POV of a Sith Lord or any "evil character" in fiction, there are no innocents.)

[Khaat]

Or Plutt is a mercenary "this guy" left "this kid" with, and for everyone's protection, Plutt knows nothing at all about Luke, Han, Chewie, or who Rey really is. Net change to:

For her security and his own, he could have pushed her off to the wrecks, taught her a little tech, then set her up as one of his scavengers. He raised the prices when she got good enough to need the challenge. Had her work on the Falcon because... well, it's the Falcon!

... nothing at all, actually. Unless you really feel the need to spell out "Plutt's a jerk".

Like Luke's uncle Owen was a jerk. What a jerk! Luke had a hotrod speeder and an skyhopper! Luke had to do his chores before going into Tashi station to pick up power converters! Uncle Owen's a total jerk!

[Galvatron]

I believe you're overestimating how greatly Ren struggled. Remember, he ordered a bunch of unarmed and restrained civilians killed in the beginning of the movie. In the novelization, Snoke also stated Ren has NOT been tested to his limits, i.e., Ren had YET TO FACE the kind of moral dilemma you believe he'd have if he had to kill an "innocent child." (Sarcastic quotation marks used because, in the POV of a Sith Lord or any "evil character" in fiction, there are no innocents.)

It looked to me like he struggled greatly to kill his father. I don't find it such a stretch to imagine that, as an even younger man, he simply lacked the will to murder his little cousin.

[Batman]

There's a fuckton of difference between ordering the killing of random people you never met before and personally murdering a family member. As Galvatron said, he was clearly struggling to kill Han, and the conversation with Grandpa's helmet showed he was still working on being properly evil. While I don't know if I like the idea, I find it perfectly plausible that a younger Kylo didn't have it in him to kill his Cousin.

[Elheru Aran]

I don't have a huge issue with Rey being Luke's daughter. I mean, dude is probably not going to stay totally celibate over the, what, 30-some years it was? Yes, it stretches SoD a bit. So what. It remains pretty consistent within the broad overall strokes of the Star Wars story, which is more or less that of the Skywalker family-- first Luke, then we see what happened with Anakin, and now...?

[Channel72]

What? Did you see the movie? The whole point of Kylo Ren is that he kind of struggles with being evil. He clearly had a difficult time bringing himself to kill Han, and Snoke sort of doubted he'd be able to do that. I mean they spell it out pretty clearly when Ren is alone talking to Vader's mask.

I believe you're overestimating how greatly Ren struggled. Remember, he ordered a bunch of unarmed and restrained civilians killed in the beginning of the movie. In the novelization, Snoke also stated Ren has NOT been tested to his limits, i.e., Ren had YET TO FACE the kind of moral dilemma you believe he'd have if he had to kill an "innocent child." (Sarcastic quotation marks used because, in the POV of a Sith Lord or any "evil character" in fiction, there are no innocents.)

Obviously, the idea is that Snoke doesn't know that Kylo was too "soft" to kill young Rey, so of course Snoke would say that. The idea is that Kylo couldn't go through with it, didn't tell anyone, and just abandoned Rey on Jakku.

Nobody knows if any of this is what the writer(s) have in mind, of course, but it's plausible from what we've seen so far.

[Adam Reynolds]

Unkar Plutt had NO PRIOR DEALINGS with Luke, Leia, Han, or Chewie- or their likely agents- before Rey stole the Falcon. In Alan Dean Foster's novelization of 'The Force Awakens'...

Personally I wouldn't pay attention to what the novelization says at all when it comes to what occurs in the nest movie. The ROTJ novelization mentions that Owen is Obi-Wan's rather than Anakin's brother while the ROTS novelization is chock full of details that are in direct contrast to what is shown in Clone Wars. When it comes down to it, they aren't going to stay cannon if someone wants to contradict them.

I don't have a huge issue with Rey being Luke's daughter. I mean, dude is probably not going to stay totally celibate over the, what, 30-some years it was? Yes, it stretches SoD a bit. So what. It remains pretty consistent within the broad overall strokes of the Star Wars story, which is more or less that of the Skywalker family-- first Luke, then we see what happened with Anakin, and now...?

Luke actively subverts the classic Jedi Code at every turn, first ignoring the directive to let Han and Leia die on Bespin, and then ignoring his directive to kill Vader. By allowing his emotions into the equation, he makes things better rather than worse. That is perfectly consistent with him deciding to settle down and have kids.

As for Kylo Ren's presumed failure to kill Rey, it makes a great deal of sense. Rey was presumably the youngest of Luke's students and likely the only child among them. A group of Jedi trainees would have likely engaged him in battle such that it didn't feel as morally wrong. Rey on the other hand was likely too young to fight back and thus unable to do anything against him. I suspect part of why she reacted so strongly to the lightsaber was because it brought back horrible memories of being present at that event. Memories that were likely repressed.

[Sidewinder]

I recently reconsidered my "Rey is a female clone of Luke Skywalker" idea, and had another terrifying idea:

Rey is not Luke's clone, she's Leia's, and meant to replace Leia the way Shinzon was meant to replace Picard. Rey's younger than Leia? The Imperial weapons facility on Jakku probably had drugs that could accelerate aging, so Rey would look the part when she goes on her mission- genetically altering Rey so she'd age faster, the way the clonetroopers would, may make her fail DNA tests the New Republic uses to verify a person's identity.

Considering how heavily J.J. Abrams recycled ideas from other people's works in his own, I wouldn't be surprised if he mistakenly thought, "This idea from 'Star Trek: Nemesis' is just great!"

[Lord Revan]

We got remember that Disney has the final say in this and unless it has changed last I checked J.J. Abrams has no infuence on the next 2 films beyond what was put into TFA, also I seem to remember that Abrams said that he left certain questions intentionally unanswered so that the writers of the next film wouldn't feel too bound to certain story direction.

Rey's origin could be one of those questions.

[Mange]

We got remember that Disney has the final say in this and unless it has changed last I checked J.J. Abrams has no infuence on the next 2 films beyond what was put into TFA

That is not entirely true. Abrams has given input to Johnson for Episode VIII (though the story is Johnson's own): VOX

[Vympel]

JJ Abrams is the Executive Producer for the whole trilogy. This is unsurprising, you need a guiding hand to make sure each movie isn't radically different in all sorts of small ways. Rian Johnson and Colin Treverrow are also liaising re: Episode 8 & 9 interaction.

[Zor]

I don't get why people would think Rey is Luke Skywalker's daughter. She was separated from her parents when she was young, but not THAT young that she'd not know that her dad was Luke Skywalker. It would make more sense if she was Obi Wan Kenobi's great granddaughter who's grandfather came about after resolving a jedi problem involved him laying back and thinking of The Force.

Zor

[Lord Revan]

One theory I've heard is that she's Ezra Briger's daughter, while intresting don't quite see characters that orginated from the EU having such a prominent role not mention it seems a bit out of character for Ezra to put his own child thru the same ordeal he had to handle (or worse in this case as Lothal was still Ezra's home while it seems Rey had no connection to Jakku before being left there).

[Vympel]

One theory I've heard is that she's Ezra Briger's daughter, while intresting don't quite see characters that orginated from the EU having such a prominent role not mention it seems a bit out of character for Ezra to put his own child thru the same ordeal he had to handle (or worse in this case as Lothal was still Ezra's home while it seems Rey had no connection to Jakku before being left there).

Any theory about content in the films that is based off of knowing something from Clone Wars or Rebels, or a comic, or a book, is an automatic non-starter. Inspiration goes from films to the other canon, not the other way round.

[Lord Revan]

One theory I've heard is that she's Ezra Briger's daughter, while intresting don't quite see characters that orginated from the EU having such a prominent role not mention it seems a bit out of character for Ezra to put his own child thru the same ordeal he had to handle (or worse in this case as Lothal was still Ezra's home while it seems Rey had no connection to Jakku before being left there).

Any theory about content in the films that is based off of knowing something from Clone Wars or Rebels, or a comic, or a book, is an automatic non-starter. Inspiration goes from films to the other canon, not the other way round.

It seems like that theory is accompanied with another that says Ezra will make an apperance in Episode 8, while he wouldn't be the first EU character later added to the films it doesn't seem to fit Ezra's character to leave a child like Rey was.

[The Romulan Republic]

Eh... I think the way things are going, Ezra might turn to the Dark Side on Rebels.

[Prometheus Unbound]

The latest theory I have heard but doesn't really make sense is that Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin. My main problem with that theory is Rey's age

My problem with that is that it's dumb

[Pelranius]

One theory I've heard is that she's Ezra Briger's daughter, while intresting don't quite see characters that orginated from the EU having such a prominent role not mention it seems a bit out of character for Ezra to put his own child thru the same ordeal he had to handle (or worse in this case as Lothal was still Ezra's home while it seems Rey had no connection to Jakku before being left there).

That would tie into another theory I heard, that Ezra Bridger turned dark and is an upcoming villain in Episode VIII.

[Galvatron]

That would tie into another theory I heard, that Ezra Bridger turned dark and is an upcoming villain in Episode VIII.

Maybe he's the character that Benicio Del Toro plays.

[Lord Revan]

That would tie into another theory I heard, that Ezra Bridger turned dark and is an upcoming villain in Episode VIII.

Maybe he's the character that Benicio Del Toro plays.

that's essentially the theory I've heard, but I'm not sure how likely that theory is. I mean the look is pretty close when you consider the time difference (Ezra is about the same age as Luke), Granted Benicio Del Toro doesn't have blue hair but I assume that's just an art style thing and Ezra is meant to have black hair.

[Galvatron]

Del Toro doesn't have white hair either, but his character in Guardians of the Galaxy did.

[Lord Revan]

Del Toro doesn't have white hair either, but his character in Guardians of the Galaxy did.

yeah obviously it's not major hurdle since they can use a wig if they really want that indigo blue shade that Ezra has in the cartoon but I suspect if Erza makes an apprence in any of the live action films he'll be (blueish)black haired, since he's suppose to be as far as we know a normal (if force aware) human.