Elfdart wrote:
I guess you didn't notice that GamerGate wasn't the only internet hate campaign ginned up by creepy internet fucktards against a person whose only "crime" is pissing off a man-child horde? Nope, no similarity whatsoever. The only difference is that Lucas, being filthy rich, can afford private security and office workers to keep his haters at bay while Zoe Quinn cannot.
No, I didn't notice that, because its not something I've ever heard of.
I don't doubt that prequel-bashers are popular on the internet, along with 9/11 truthers, anti-vaccination nuts, holocaust deniers, global warming deniers, lolbertarians and other ass clowns. Oh, and the fucktards who think yukking it up over Glenn Frey's death and how they hate the Eagles makes them kewl (for the record, it doesn't). Yet only a neckbeard with an axe to grind would point to the ubiquity of these morons on the web as evidence that they are right and everyone else is wrong -in the face of actual evidence to the contrary.
Which is what? Box office? Because that's literally the only objective evidence you have. I guess that makes Transformers 4 a good film then?
Since that is the only objective standard, what would you propose as a measure? The voices in your head? Because everything else is a matter of opinion.
It is a matter of opinion. Since awful movies like Transformers 4 make stupid amounts of money, this is the logical conclusion.
Were it not for the Star Wars IP, plus Ford, Fisher and Hamill agreeing to do TFA, Disney would have been lucky to produce another John Carter.
So what? I'm not the one waving around a film's box office success as an objective measure for it being a good or popular film, you are.
I know, being only #90 on the all-time box office list is proof that the series had jumped the shark, and something Lucasfilm should be ashamed of. I mean, ANH faced stiffer competition with Smokey and the Bandit; TESB had to contend with 9 to 5 and Stir Crazy, while ROTJ had such formidable opposition as Terms of Endearment. The shame of not selling as many tickets as Spider-Man or The Two Towers must be unbearable.
I don't see how that refutes anything of what I said. If TPM was so well liked, as opposed to receiving the natural benefits of being a critic proof movie that was going to be watched in huge numbers no matter what, because its the first new Star Wars movie anyone had seen in 16 years, why didn't AotC make about the same money? Because it went up against Spider-Man and the Two Towers? So what? Its Star Wars. TPM was amazing, wasn't it? Everyone except neckbeards on the internet loved it, didn't they?
$100M? I assume that's domestic gross adjusted for inflation:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars7.htm
TPM domestic box office: $474,544,677
TFA domestic box office: $879,110,994
TPM international box office: $552,500,000
TFA international box office: $1,060,700,000
Get back to me when TFA earns almost three times as much as TPM.
So your argument is that TPM is more well liked than TFA because of advertising budget math?
This is an absurd argument. If the argument is 'TPM is well liked by a silent majority because of its big box office takings' then the same clearly applies to TFA. How much they spent on the film is totally immaterial - we're talking about people who went to see it, not how much money the studio made. This should be obvious.
Again - I don't actually think box office matters, because if it did we'd be talking about how Transformers 4 is an amazing movie as opposed to being utter garbage.
It was amazing. Not that it mattered since media types and hipsters had already developed a hate-on for George Lucas long before the Special Editions, let alone the Prequels. The fact that many a man-child got bent out of shape because TPM was aimed at grade schoolers and not them only allowed the virus to spread to internet forums -including this one.
It was amazing at being a crap film. What was amazing about it?
Was it TPM's complete failure to capture the tone of the original trilogy, what with its tone deaf, unfunny Jar Jar slapstick and toilet humor? You know, when an animal farts on him, or he's juggling junk for no reason, or he steps in shit?
Was it TPM's casting of a child actor who couldn't act) and then senselessly placing him in situations where he had no reason to be - and then having him resolve those situations by accident, while he has no idea what the hell is going on?
Was it the total waste of Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan, as he sits around on the Royal Yacht for most of the movie, complaining and saying boring shit like "the Queen's wardrobe, maybe. But not enough for you to barter with"
Was it the utterly ineffective villains that were the Trade Federation - useless out-of-the-loop alien nincompoops, and their legion of incompetent robot soldiers who were by design meant to be useless against Jedi, robbing nearly every action scene in the movie of all tension?
Was it the interminable pod race that went on and on and on, and for which the entire Tatooine plot was contorted, against all comon sense?
How about the teletubbies-esque ground battle that was totally immaterial to the plot and should've been written out of the film altogether? A ground battle where the only character we have reason to care about - Jar Jar (who we actually didn't care about) - scores victories against the bad guys completely by accident not once, not twice, but
three times in succession? This is good writing?
And why is 'TPM was aimed at grade schoolers' a defence of this film? You know what grade schoolers also loved? A New Hope. A movie that somehow captured grade schooler's imaginations - nevermind those of older people - without having a bad child actor, an awkward alien buffoon doing things like stepping in shit and getting farted on by animals, and so forth.
